2016 Postmortem

DanTex

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57. They don't support issues, they support Trump.

Thu Jul 14, 2016, 05:08 AM

Jul 2016

In their entire existence, the Greens have elected zero people to the House and zero people to the Senate. They aren't a party that tries to get people elected into government and thereby effect change through legislation. They try to effect change by propagandizing, discouraging Democratic voters for the purpose of electing more Republicans.

Their platform is not a set of policies they hope to enact once elected, it is a propaganda tool to help the GOP. A Green vote is not a vote for any of their issues, because there is no chance whatsoever that voting Green will help advance those issues. A Green vote is a vote for Trump. The Green party exists to give people a way of voting for Donald Trump without having to actually mark a box that says "Donald Trump" next to it.

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Why the Green Party matters. [View all] DanTex Jul 2016 OP

Jill Stein is a joke and I wonder about cosmicone Jul 2016 #1

I agree. But Trump is a joke too. W was a joke. Nader was a joke. DanTex Jul 2016 #2

You seem nice.... Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #3

Thanks for saving me. pangaia Jul 2016 #81

My pleasure... Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #117

eggshells..me too.. pangaia Jul 2016 #118

Giggle Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #128

If you don't feel comfortable supporting the Democratic nominee, why do you post here? yardwork Jul 2016 #158

Any scorched Earth policy is dangerous, KMOD Jul 2016 #4

The Green Party must be terrible. What issues do they support? think Jul 2016 #5

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There is nothing wrong with their platform. KMOD Jul 2016 #11

Do you have a link showing that she believes that Trump is a better alternative? rhett o rick Jul 2016 #14

Its not that Greens like Stein thinks Trump is better, its that... JaneyVee Jul 2016 #35

Exactly! KMOD Jul 2016 #42

It's all perspective. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #48

Jill Stein spends her life running for president on pure ego. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #94

A large ego is damn near a pre-requisite for running for president. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #112

the greens and their minions said the same about Gore and Bush... Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #175

Define your meaning of "neoliberals," please. It's often used Hortensis Jul 2016 #49

Neoliberal and neoconservative -- deceptive terms used in political trickery philly_bob Jul 2016 #90

And also beware of those who use them as shibboleths merely to label anyone who disagrees with them. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #115

LanternWare, please help me out with those precise definitions. philly_bob Jul 2016 #141

Well she said Obama had the house and senate for two years and was worse than Bush..... bettyellen Jul 2016 #96

yes KMOD Jul 2016 #102

? progressoid Jul 2016 #19

Disliking them equally is insane. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #36

Irrelevant. KMOD stated that they think Trump is a better alternative to Clinton. progressoid Jul 2016 #89

here KMOD Jul 2016 #103

I've never heard this Ash_F Jul 2016 #34

You mean neo-cons, not neo-liberals ConservativeDemocrat Jul 2016 #29

.that^ 840high Jul 2016 #39

Their agenda is a bunch of meaningless words on a website. They have no intention of DanTex Jul 2016 #58

They don't support issues, they support Trump. DanTex Jul 2016 #57

It's one thing to not like the Green party. It's another thing entirely to be honest think Jul 2016 #62

I don't like them because they help elect Republicans. Are you accusing me of lying about that? DanTex Jul 2016 #63

They don't support issues Dan? Really? think Jul 2016 #67

No, they don't. They support Republicans. DanTex Jul 2016 #70

So if one was to ask a Green party member what they stand for they'd say the GOP? think Jul 2016 #72

“If you want the parties to diverge from one another, have Bush win.” --Ralph Nader DanTex Jul 2016 #73

Got a link for that? think Jul 2016 #74

Here. DanTex Jul 2016 #75

Ok. Someone on a blog says so. One might expect a more valid source. Usually a claim like this would think Jul 2016 #77

It's not a blog, it's an interview with a journalist, published in Outside Magazine. DanTex Jul 2016 #78

Many times I've seen them say creeksneakers2 Jul 2016 #140

It's not as if they WANT Trump to win(or that we have any way of proving that). Ken Burch Jul 2016 #133

Nader wanted Bush to win. This is documented. DanTex Jul 2016 #136

Because she is not the brightest bulb in the socket. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #137

When did I say we can't win this on the merits? I think we can. DanTex Jul 2016 #138

It sounds to me like you want us to anathemize the Greens Ken Burch Jul 2016 #139

I don't want to anathemize anyone. Comparing this to the red scare is crazy. DanTex Jul 2016 #143

Constitutional amendments have passed before. n/t. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #144

Really? Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #182

Stein herself is unreachable. I never meant try to persuade Stein to change HER mind. Ken Burch Jul 2016 #183

The Greens are a den of evil Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #184

Stein says Trump is better than Clinton. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #123

+1 exactly!! AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #107

Here's the short list: Tortmaster Jul 2016 #59

I'd prefer no discussion to a dishonest one. Democrats hopefully can do better than that... think Jul 2016 #65

The poster was teling the truth. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #126

I live in the real world Gothmog Jul 2016 #146

An honest discussion? Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #176

the ability to lose every election is what they are most known for. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #174

What a bizarre OP to see on a Democratic website AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #6

Yes sadly bizarre. At one time there was no need for a Green Party because the Democratic rhett o rick Jul 2016 #8

When you attack the Democratic Party and support the ... Tortmaster Jul 2016 #60

Rhett is not, in my opinion, attacking the Democratic Party, pangaia Jul 2016 #82

So, Democrat Since 1966, who should we vote for? progree Jul 2016 #85

Why did Karl Rove fund Nader in 2000 and 2004? Gothmog Jul 2016 #109

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since you brought up bizarre OPs KMOD Jul 2016 #13

Interesting that you support JackPineRadicals and post their OPs here. rhett o rick Jul 2016 #15

Oh, I don't support them at all. KMOD Jul 2016 #18

Discussing and disagreeing with a position is not supporting that position Gothmog Jul 2016 #147

The person you replied to is unable to respond. Due to a posting of his in this thread, I'm pretty progree Jul 2016 #153

I was not aware of that but it does not make a difference Gothmog Jul 2016 #154

No problem. progree Jul 2016 #156

there is a great deal of that...they discuss our posts their too. nt Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #180

I don't care one way or the other what some OP on some other website says AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #24

Jill Stein is not the left. KMOD Jul 2016 #25

Yes, she is on the left AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #26

Jill Stein is so left she's right. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #28

Close. The far left and far right are kissing cousins. Hortensis Jul 2016 #31

It's the whole horseshoe theory. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #33

For those who don't know BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #46

Or, as the old saying goes, "extremes meet." nolawarlock Jul 2016 #54

Or are as close to BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #55

Exactly. And no surprise that, although Bernie's Hortensis Jul 2016 #47

Well I take my hat off to Bernie. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #53

Bernie has that ability to speak compellingly Hortensis Jul 2016 #69

+ a million or so! eom BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #44

. KMOD Jul 2016 #32

You guys? Do mean us Democrats? KMOD Jul 2016 #30

And you are obsessed with her why? AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #45

Why is it you can never offer any productive conversation? KMOD Jul 2016 #51

This OP is productive conversation? AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #110

Nope, she's a wingnut on the right who says Trump is better than Clinton. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #127

She is barely to the left of center AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #129

Nope, she's EXTREME rightwing. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #130

Name one of her policy positions that is 'EXTREME rightwing' AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #131

She says Trump is better than Clinton MohRokTah Jul 2016 #132

Exact quote plus link please AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #134

I do not respond to posters who attack me personally multiple times. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #135

Agreed. 840high Jul 2016 #40

I personally think everyone on JPR should be institutionalized. nolawarlock Jul 2016 #27

At minimum. eom BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #83

What's bizarre about it? The Greens are an opposition, pro-GOP party. DanTex Jul 2016 #64

I do agree that the Green Party matters. They now carry the torch for issues that rhett o rick Jul 2016 #10

Jill Stein and Ralph Nader KMOD Jul 2016 #16

Jill bashes Democrats with ad hominem attacks. Shes a nutjob. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #37

May I ask, in what way auntpurl Jul 2016 #43

You might reasonably pose the same question to nolawarlock Jim Lane Jul 2016 #56

The assholes posting at that site are not Dems. giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #79

You're running up Trump's champagne bill but he can presumably afford it. Jim Lane Jul 2016 #106

Meh, the one's being referred to are proclaiming there giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #113

The Green Party carries water for Trump, and that's all they carry. DanTex Jul 2016 #61

A Great Man? LOL. Though you are right about one thing redstateblues Jul 2016 #80

Ugh. This Nader/Green thing again? progressoid Jul 2016 #12

There seems to be a need to find someone to hate. nm rhett o rick Jul 2016 #17

Wait! Someone is hating someone besides Hillary? KMOD Jul 2016 #21

Yeah, maybe we could put more energy into being Democrats instead. progressoid Jul 2016 #22

That would be lovely. KMOD Jul 2016 #23

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They are through hating Bernie so 840high Jul 2016 #41

Yep, Sanders endorses Clinton and over the next two days we get a big influx of posts about Stein. Chathamization Jul 2016 #86

It is a "burr in my britches," yes. Like I said, 2000 was my first election as an adult. DanTex Jul 2016 #68

She's not going ally with the Donald. progressoid Jul 2016 #87

She already is, same as Nader was a Bush ally. DanTex Jul 2016 #88

What? Show us when/where she's indicated she's trying to help Trump get elected. progressoid Jul 2016 #91

Actions speak louder than words. Her actions are obviously helping Trump DanTex Jul 2016 #92

OK, so this is mostly a threat in your head. progressoid Jul 2016 #97

It's a very real threat. I lived through the 2000 disaster, did you? DanTex Jul 2016 #98

"What could Jill Stein possibly accomplish by attacking Hillary"? progressoid Jul 2016 #104

I'm not denying that Stein could "make a difference in the world." DanTex Jul 2016 #111

Votes we can't win don't have to be anyone else's fault but our own. n/t Orsino Jul 2016 #100

Stein seems genuinely unhinged and goofy The Second Stone Jul 2016 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #50

okey dokey KMOD Jul 2016 #52

the "greens" ego are more important than America's wellbeing and why sacrificing american lives beachbum bob Jul 2016 #66

When I think back on the horror Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #71

Very good point. yardwork Jul 2016 #159

Exactly right...we never get anywhere by voting Green or third party. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #173

Posted to for later. 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #76

They function like a GOP Super PAC? That makes me wonder, exactly how different, NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #84

What a detrimental attitude this OP expresses. In 2008 I saw Michelle Obama make Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #93

Jill Stein is the one with the detrimental attitude. Strange that you don't have a problem DanTex Jul 2016 #95

When Michelle did what I recounted she was not First Lady either. Just smart. Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #99

How do you feel about the Stein method? Do you think it is detrimental to Democrats and helpful DanTex Jul 2016 #101

Obvious ignore of BNW's questions. Rude Arazi Jul 2016 #121

Nope, BNW is ignoring my questions. Why are Green defenders afraid to answer these basic questions? DanTex Jul 2016 #124

It provides a scapegoat when the Democratic Party loses. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #105

They caused the loss in 2000. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #145

Without the Greens, we would not have the Iraq war, Citizens United and the gutting of the VRA Gothmog Jul 2016 #148

Exactly right Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #172

Only if you assume that they would have voted for Gore. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2016 #151

All 97,488 votes for Nader were from Florida Green Party members?? progree Jul 2016 #155

It is not just about Florida Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #179

No. Democrats voted for Greens ...just like this year Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #171

I think that's misleading to the point of being wrong. Donald Ian Rankin Jul 2016 #167

Gore would have won Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #170

Great OP-the Green Party is an arm of the GOP Gothmog Jul 2016 #108

Come on, that's just not true. TheFarseer Jul 2016 #114

The problem is that their method of moving the Dems left DanTex Jul 2016 #116

You make some solid points in paragraph 2 & 5 TheFarseer Jul 2016 #120

I don't see any real case for what you describe here: DanTex Jul 2016 #122

And yet Karl Rove funded this party in 2000 Gothmog Jul 2016 #119

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K&R. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #142

We should start calling them the Green Operative Party, so the initials match. nt BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #149

Green Operative Party ! Yes yes yes! Her Sister Jul 2016 #162

Yes we should they are in bed together Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #177

Cornel West is supporting Stein and the Green Party Gothmog Jul 2016 #150

I believe that he and Nina and Susan will be out campaining for Jill in a few weeks. nt glennward Jul 2016 #157

Nina? I guess she's decided to give up any future she might have had in the Democratic party Peigan68 Jul 2016 #160

Well said! Spazito Jul 2016 #152

Green Party = Hate Democratic Party + Hard Hard-ON for GOP ! Her Sister Jul 2016 #161

Bad premise quaker bill Jul 2016 #163

"The people I know who will vote Green were never voting for Hillary..." DanTex Jul 2016 #164

I worked for Al Gore in FL in 2000 quaker bill Jul 2016 #165

Exit polls, according to Nader, show that 38% of his supporters would have voted for Gore progree Jul 2016 #168

Anyone who votes Green is a Republican sympathizer n/t cosmicone Jul 2016 #166

Those who think the Greens are our allies are wrong. hrmjustin Jul 2016 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author CrispyQ Jul 2016 #178

They matter because Jill Stein gives progressives a bad name. CrowCityDem Jul 2016 #181