2016 Postmortem

Democrats Ascendant

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The Green Party deserves every last bit of the "bashing" that they are getting here. [View all] DanTex Aug 2016 OP

No argument here SCantiGOP Aug 2016 #1

Yep. They went full GOP bravenak Aug 2016 #2

Who got more Democratic votes in Florida... tonedevil Aug 2016 #3

The Swiftboat PAC in 2004 didn't get many votes either. DanTex Aug 2016 #7

Point out where I defended... tonedevil Aug 2016 #8

You defended Nader, denying that he pushed W to the presidency. Why? DanTex Aug 2016 #10

If that is defending to you... tonedevil Aug 2016 #12

Nader was a decisive factor. I have no love for Bush, of course, and I will criticize DanTex Aug 2016 #13

The first 10,000 tonedevil Aug 2016 #14

The vast majority of posts here attack Trump/Republicans. BzaDem Aug 2016 #57

Nader had nothing to do with Bush winning Florida. it baffles me that Exilednight Aug 2016 #63

Nader had everything to do with it. No Nader, and Gore wins. There's no denying that. DanTex Aug 2016 #78

If those people do not vote, how does it change Gore's vote count? Exilednight Aug 2016 #87

More to Gore than Bush, putting him over the top. DanTex Aug 2016 #93

There's NO PROOF that the Green party people would have even voted. Exilednight Aug 2016 #95

Not all of them, but enough to comfortably make the election SCOTUS-proof. DanTex Aug 2016 #97

DanTex that is an excellent and precise summary. May I have your permission to use it when needed? Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #98

Thank you! Of course, yes, use it as you will, no credit necessary. DanTex Aug 2016 #99

8% of registered Democrats voted for Bush in 2000. Why blame Nader when Exilednight Aug 2016 #106

I blame them also. But Nader was a decisive factor, and had much more impact DanTex Aug 2016 #107

1 out of every 13 registered Democrats voted for Bush, and yet the Exilednight Aug 2016 #115

The blame goes to the person, Nader, who campaigned against Gore and intentionally DanTex Aug 2016 #116

My point is simple, Democrats don't scapegoat others for their failures. Exilednight Aug 2016 #119

It's not scapegoating, it's recognizing enemies and treating them as such. DanTex Aug 2016 #120

I have no problem with going after Stein on those issues. Exilednight Aug 2016 #121

It is a fact that Nader was a decisive factor in the 2000 campaign. He wasn't the only factor, DanTex Aug 2016 #122

He also lied about Gore. LisaM Aug 2016 #130

The Green are running ads in swing states Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #65

I've even seen a Stein ad once in Illinois. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2016 #82

Who is paying for this? nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #90

Unfortunately, I missed that part as I was rolling my eyes. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2016 #92

Well actually, we don't know yet who's paying for them. The ads are from her campaign, but Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #101

Ralph Nader on Trump and Hillary: Downtown Hound Aug 2016 #4

He said that? SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #26

Especially when the "perfect" start praising Donald Freakin' Trump. n/t Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #102

ok...that does it... the greens are assholes uponit7771 Aug 2016 #66

For me the question is are they spoilers? bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #5

Uh, that's not the definition of spoiler, to me. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #28

Uh, fair enough bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #46

Running ads in swing states where a couple of points could make the difference Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #67

Yep. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #79

Agreed rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #6

^this Democrats Ascendant Aug 2016 #15

Why Johnny2X2X Aug 2016 #9

As the polls stand now, they aren't a factor. DanTex Aug 2016 #11

I'm terrified right now. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #34

Greens weren't supposed to be a factor in 2000, either. Were you around then? VOX Aug 2016 #16

Yep. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #35

Yep. And that phoney war? Wilms Aug 2016 #38

I'm not sure if you're with me or against me, from this one post. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #41

Mere speculation. chwaliszewski Aug 2016 #40

Wrong... StraightRazor Aug 2016 #52

Look at the threads on the first couple pages PatSeg Aug 2016 #19

They could be. And that must not happen. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #29

Who does Putin love more? EricMaundry Aug 2016 #17

Kick... fleabiscuit Aug 2016 #18

So, let me get this straight . . FairWinds Aug 2016 #20

I was here for primaries and PatSeg Aug 2016 #21

What is this mysterious "GD" of which you speak, Kemos Havee ? FairWinds Aug 2016 #22

Oh, it is just the regular PatSeg Aug 2016 #44

I'll tell you why I'm even paying attention to third parties. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #25

That part I understand Susan PatSeg Aug 2016 #45

Beware too of men who flatter with insincere praise, it's a bulling tactic to "keep little ladies Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #105

Totally agree. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #23

The continuing out of context and overwrought bashing of the Greens is effectively click bait. Ford_Prefect Aug 2016 #24

Totally agree with GOTV. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #30

The point is not to waste energy on them, or turn us into one more hateful blog. Ford_Prefect Aug 2016 #37

I'm not willing to take the chance. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #39

I gues then maybe the political whore Stein Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #71

I thought... tonedevil Aug 2016 #113

She is a political whore in that she sells Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #123

I thought... tonedevil Aug 2016 #124

I will not argue with you about this...she is green and a opponent and I can say what I want Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #125

As to the primary... tonedevil Aug 2016 #127

Right... Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #132

I don't think I said... tonedevil Aug 2016 #133

They deserve it and then some. SunSeeker Aug 2016 #27

They were actual GOP ratfuckers in Arizona in 2008 sweetloukillbot Aug 2016 #31

That is disgusting. SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #33

Here sweetloukillbot Aug 2016 #42

Thanks. Might you make this an OP? nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #48

Anything that has even the possibility of taking votes away from Hillary SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #32

We need to keep them out of our convention next time too! redstatebluegirl Aug 2016 #36

+1 uponit7771 Aug 2016 #70

When there's a post pointing out how well Clinton is doing, we're warned not to be complacent. betsuni Aug 2016 #43

Yep. That worries me. nt SusanCalvin Aug 2016 #49

And we hear how compromising with Republicans is evil. randome Aug 2016 #84

K&R Gothmog Aug 2016 #47

A Green post is a Libertarian post is a Republican post SwankyXomb Aug 2016 #50

Nader didn't cost Gore the election in 2000... StraightRazor Aug 2016 #51

Yes, he did. In his 95K Florida votes he took far more votes from progressives in Florida pnwmom Aug 2016 #58

So what you are saying is that progressives do not deserve to vote despite the Constitution? Ford_Prefect Aug 2016 #60

Overt strawman, no one is talking about right to vote its best choice for the country uponit7771 Aug 2016 #68

Yes he did...and the Greens bashed Gore for a year Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #72

Nader did not even support the Green platform when he ran bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #77

I agree. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #91

If you think this is bullying, then you've never been bullied. athena Aug 2016 #88

You mistake concience for spoiled, prideful ego. Voting for 3rd party when you know vulnerable Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #111

"We can disagree without being disagreeable" -- Barack Obama nt Gore1FL Aug 2016 #53

I dont' want to. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #73

That doesn't mean calling them names and otherwise disparaging them is a good idea. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #75

A Green voter is a Trump voter, both deserving of the same. Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #104

If they were a Trump voter they would be voting for Trump. Gore1FL Aug 2016 #109

537 votes separated Gore and * as per the certified vote count for FL. That Guy 888 Aug 2016 #54

Nader received 95K votes in Florida. If only 1 out of every 190 votes he got switched to Gore.... scheming daemons Aug 2016 #55

Gore certified the election results for FLORIDA That Guy 888 Aug 2016 #56

That is irrelevant to who was inaugurated. BzaDem Aug 2016 #59

They couldn't have done it without republican election fraud. That Guy 888 Aug 2016 #117

So what? Nader could have single-handed prevented Bush. He chose not to. n/t BzaDem Aug 2016 #118

Try reading the post instead of going for the easy DNC approved answer. n/t That Guy 888 Aug 2016 #131

He wouldn't have been put in that position except that Nader drew 95K votes after purposely pnwmom Aug 2016 #62

Is there any source of Nader crowing about this? I didn't come to a decision on Greens until uponit7771 Aug 2016 #69

I remember this press conference and how sickening it was to watch him. pnwmom Aug 2016 #103

Wow... this line says it all uponit7771 Aug 2016 #108

If they all stayed at home and didn't vote for down-ballot Democrats what would have happened? nt Gore1FL Aug 2016 #76

But Nader got 95,000 in Florida. Even with the hanging chads and other issues, pnwmom Aug 2016 #61

And Bush got nearly 350,000 Democratic votes. progressoid Aug 2016 #110

How about beating Gore up everyday for a year? Yeah that was the Greens and Nader. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #74

That is exactly right Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #64

The Greenies are defending Nader and the 2000 election Gothmog Aug 2016 #80

Bravo rjsquirrel Aug 2016 #85

Amen. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2016 #81

I have zero respect for those grifters. joshcryer Aug 2016 #83

I pity the young ones, the naive and the simple who are fleeced of their money. I have Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #114

K&R! stonecutter357 Aug 2016 #86

Some of them , I assume, are good people. n/t Orsino Aug 2016 #89

tl;dr Capt. Obvious Aug 2016 #94

I see the usual suspects showed up to tell us to "leave Jill alooooooooooneeeeee" Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #96

K&R! DemonGoddess Aug 2016 #100

More fight club? Rex Aug 2016 #112

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Hi, how's your summer been? uppityperson Aug 2016 #129

They're just a pack of Joe Lieberman's*, if you ask me. TonyPDX Aug 2016 #128