2016 Postmortem

jberryhill

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122. The original post says no such thing

Wed Aug 17, 2016, 05:34 PM

Aug 2016

Fact 1: They are not well regulated enough, and many people suffer because of their practices.

Fact 2: Because of Fact 1, it is not wise, if one actually gives a shit about people, to support politicians who favor the interests of the lenders over those of the people they exploit.

This is like taking a post about Pharma-Bro and suggesting that someone wants to abolish medicine, or capitalism.

Yes, there are practices of lenders that should be abolished. These things have sprouted up like weeds in strip shopping centers everywhere, and it is not to help people who understand how it works and have a legitimate small short term need which they know they can pay back promptly. These are conveyor belts to economic slavery more often than not, and you KNOW that.

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I could never support a democrat who supports loan sharks over poor, desperate people [View all] cali Aug 2016 OP

Is there one like that running in Vermont? MineralMan Aug 2016 #1

... think Aug 2016 #41

Thank you for your thoughtful comment. MineralMan Aug 2016 #44

Thank you for trying to gloss over DWS's former support of Pay Day Lenders. think Aug 2016 #45

Awesome that you acknowledge that DWS does not support PayDay lenders! GOOD 4 YOU! Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #53

payday lenders have saved my ass more than one time. stonecutter357 Aug 2016 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author Chathamization Aug 2016 #66

The point is, you shouldn't have been forced to use them. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #83

Bernie proposed using the post office. Duval Aug 2016 #129

That would be great. To make that even better, we could structure that like a credit union. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #137

DWS has historically opposed regulations on the payday usury industry. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #82

If you lived in Broward County Florida you'd support Florencenj2point0 Aug 2016 #91

The way to fight dealers is to legalize drugs and take the trade out of the dealers' hands. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #94

You are right. Duval Aug 2016 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author Duval Aug 2016 #128

She supported it for years and years. She still does. cali Aug 2016 #107

Sorry, but I'm not a single-issue voter, and MineralMan Aug 2016 #117

Sorry, neither am I. And it's hardly just her allegiance to the loan shark payday loan industry cali Aug 2016 #132

Good to know. nt DURHAM D Aug 2016 #2

See this, cali: MineralMan Aug 2016 #3

Thank you, Tim Canova! Jim Lane Aug 2016 #9

It's not a major issue for her. There's no reason for her to MineralMan Aug 2016 #10

I didn't like it in her, but fortunately I wouldn't Hortensis Aug 2016 #20

OK, one view is that Canova had nothing to do with it, it's just a wild coincidence. Jim Lane Aug 2016 #25

It becomes a major issue to her when she goes begging for their money and they say no. Exilednight Aug 2016 #71

Seems a bit too convenient that she flipped positions when it became Exilednight Aug 2016 #36

Same here. nt Duval Aug 2016 #130

I saw polling that shows DWS in a strong lead over Canova (Floriduh) Mika Aug 2016 #4

I'd just as soon see them banned. Unfortunately, many poor people seem to need them. Hoyt Aug 2016 #5

Sadly, we don't have a good alternative in some cases. MineralMan Aug 2016 #6

Exactly. Hoyt Aug 2016 #14

Plus then they may need to seek out real loan sharks operating in the area with out any laws Person 2713 Aug 2016 #17

Good point, loan sharks have some painful collection methods. Hoyt Aug 2016 #63

The alternative is to support things that eliminate the need for them. bananakabob Aug 2016 #77

I was going to say the same thing Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #13

I'm not poor but I had to take out a payday loan the other day. Drunken Irishman Aug 2016 #54

they are banned in many states. They've never been legal in Vermont. cali Aug 2016 #69

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #7

Didn't work, though. MineralMan Aug 2016 #11

I could never support a Democrat who happily goes on Joyce Kaufman's radio show. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #8

It's local politics. But I don't have a problem with anyone objecting to it, either. randome Aug 2016 #12

why do people in her district support her ? JI7 Aug 2016 #15

Why wouldn't they? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #16

Scapegoated for what? Exilednight Aug 2016 #72

She is being scapgoated for Bernie's loss in the primary. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #75

You just want a Dem? Okay wanting someone with a D in front of their name Exilednight Aug 2016 #80

Numbers count...so yes I want a Dem. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #81

Just having D by the name doesn't really help. Exilednight Aug 2016 #84

Actually it counts a great deal Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #85

History isn't lost on me, A party is only as strong as it's weakest member. Exilednight Aug 2016 #87

Bernie's loss is what she is being scapegoated for. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #119

She's not being scapegoated for that. Maybe I'm the land of unicorns and rainbows, but in the real Exilednight Aug 2016 #120

Why else would so many care about a house seat in Florida? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #135

For me, it's the views she holds on certain key issues. Exilednight Aug 2016 #136

She has backed the president so I disagree. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #142

Are you aware of her history? Lazy Daisy Aug 2016 #116

That is not really true. She has been a loyal Democrat Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #118

What's not true Lazy Daisy Aug 2016 #143

K&R CharlotteVale Aug 2016 #18

I can support this. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #19

Beware of unintended consequences. Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #21

Yup. ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #24

See #30 for an alternative to both. eom guillaumeb Aug 2016 #32

Yeah I know about that ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #34

See #30 for an alternative to both. eom guillaumeb Aug 2016 #31

And how exactly can this go through Congress unless the GOP are kicked out? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #76

If this solution was framed as helping rural as well as urban voters, guillaumeb Aug 2016 #93

your kidding yourself...the GOP hates all Democrats and will do nothing to help Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #96

Debate that with GOP Representative Jason Chaffetz. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #99

I do not know how you can pick out one guy Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #100

We must have Congress...the GOP will never cooperate...never. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #98

I could if her opponent wasn't arguably more conservative than she is and opposed the Iran deal CreekDog Aug 2016 #22

Both DWS and Canova originally opposed the Iran Deal and both now support it. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #28

well if they have the same position on the Iran deal, why did he question her support of Israel? CreekDog Aug 2016 #38

He supports it now. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #39

He supports it now? How old is that flyer with all the deadlines to register and vote? CreekDog Aug 2016 #40

From his own website: Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #42

So his campaign flyer misrepresents his position on the Iran nuclear deal? CreekDog Aug 2016 #43

I guess. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #46

You're saying the reason that Sheldon Adelson is supporting DWS is to send marijuana users to prison CreekDog Aug 2016 #50

Did she oppose Prop 2, or not? Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #51

Yeah well ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #23

She is a disgrace to the deathrind Aug 2016 #26

Or one that works with Sheldon Adelson to defend laws putting sick pot smokers in prison. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #27

She needs to change that ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #33

I agree with all you've said. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #35

Yeah I will wait and see on those stats myself ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #37

Oregon, too. We're on track to bring in substantial tax revenue this year. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #47

Florida Woman facing 10 year prison sentence for growing own medical marijuana in her home Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #29

Are you aware of this cali? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #30

Thank you for posting. /nt think Aug 2016 #48

That postal banking was for savings, only. MineralMan Aug 2016 #62

Correct, and a small prize for knowing this. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #92

I don't need any prize. I had a postal savings account as a child. MineralMan Aug 2016 #95

I've had to use them a couple of times. Eko Aug 2016 #49

If the question was phrased, "do you support the pay loan industry?", I would venture that 99% of still_one Aug 2016 #52

Payday loans suck - what sucks more is not having money to pay bills. Drunken Irishman Aug 2016 #55

So therefore they should not be reasonably regulated? jberryhill Aug 2016 #105

lol who said that? The poster wants to do away with them. Drunken Irishman Aug 2016 #121

The original post says no such thing jberryhill Aug 2016 #122

Yeah it does. The implication is there. Sorry you can't see it. Drunken Irishman Aug 2016 #125

It says: jberryhill Aug 2016 #126

Where's the part about asking for more regulations? Drunken Irishman Aug 2016 #133

It's right next to the part about abolishing them jberryhill Aug 2016 #134

There's nothing about regulating 'em. Drunken Irishman Aug 2016 #138

there's nothing about abolishing 'em jberryhill Aug 2016 #139

Considering the person brought up how they're illegal in their home state... Drunken Irishman Aug 2016 #140

how condescending can you be stonecutter357 Aug 2016 #57

Hoping that cali needs a payday loan in the near future is a really ugly thing to say. demmiblue Aug 2016 #60

This OP is a really ugly thing . stonecutter357 Aug 2016 #61

bullpuckey, stone. Just because you tolerate the crap DSW pulls, and her cali Aug 2016 #102

they are illegal in Vermont. cali Aug 2016 #70

Hope you learn to not to wish bad things happen to people you disagree with on DU. cali Aug 2016 #103

+1 demmiblue Aug 2016 #109

Wishing bad on others comes back threefold. closeupready Aug 2016 #113

thank you, but I hope not. I just hope people learn that wishing bad things on others cali Aug 2016 #114

I, too, never wish bad on others, and hope it doesn't come back. closeupready Aug 2016 #115

I'm not a single-issue voter myself bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #58

"All candidates are flawed. It's called being human." betsuni Aug 2016 #59

SFPALP William769 Aug 2016 #64

Single issue voters tend to vote against their own interests. One needs to look at all issues. still_one Aug 2016 #65

Nor could I support a Democrat who supported even more atrocities against the Palestinian people. glennward Aug 2016 #67

What a weird issue to fall on the sword for.... AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #68

And just how did she do this? treestar Aug 2016 #73

Her district supports her, she has a good D vote record in congress, fellow Ds & Pres. O back her. Sunlei Aug 2016 #74

Her opponent in the Democratic Primary doesn't think pot smokers should go to prison. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #97

Your purity is noted. Squinch Aug 2016 #78

This thread has been interesting TSIAS Aug 2016 #79

+1. SixString Aug 2016 #86

I am sure most are...but to the point of putting Trump in as President b/c of it? AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #88

Not really. It is about a crappy rep that has a primary opponent not the President nor even TheKentuckian Aug 2016 #89

+1 Hiraeth Aug 2016 #106

Welcome to the New and Improved Democratic Party - Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2016 #90

+1 :sigh: demmiblue Aug 2016 #101

this thread has been sad because of extreme partisanship. cali Aug 2016 #104

You are falling into a false dichotomy jberryhill Aug 2016 #108

The world is not black and white. Il_Coniglietto Aug 2016 #111

Don't ban the organ black market until you have a better replacement! TheKentuckian Aug 2016 #131

they do G_j Aug 2016 #123

Can you provide us with a list of Democrats that would be affected by your not voting for them? tonyt53 Aug 2016 #110

She's speaking, here, about a Democrat who is facing a primary challenge from another Democrat. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #141

If nothing else this provides us withan insight into how people can vote against their own interests jalan48 Aug 2016 #112

Forty-seven... fleabiscuit Aug 2016 #124