2016 Postmortem

Ken Burch

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137. That would be great. To make that even better, we could structure that like a credit union.

Wed Aug 17, 2016, 09:46 PM

Aug 2016

That would create meetings account-holders could attend and vote at...which would put a significant part of our financial sector under democratic control.

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I could never support a democrat who supports loan sharks over poor, desperate people [View all] cali Aug 2016 OP

Is there one like that running in Vermont? MineralMan Aug 2016 #1

... think Aug 2016 #41

Thank you for your thoughtful comment. MineralMan Aug 2016 #44

Thank you for trying to gloss over DWS's former support of Pay Day Lenders. think Aug 2016 #45

Awesome that you acknowledge that DWS does not support PayDay lenders! GOOD 4 YOU! Maru Kitteh Aug 2016 #53

payday lenders have saved my ass more than one time. stonecutter357 Aug 2016 #56

This message was self-deleted by its author Chathamization Aug 2016 #66

The point is, you shouldn't have been forced to use them. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #83

Bernie proposed using the post office. Duval Aug 2016 #129

That would be great. To make that even better, we could structure that like a credit union. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #137

DWS has historically opposed regulations on the payday usury industry. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #82

If you lived in Broward County Florida you'd support Florencenj2point0 Aug 2016 #91

The way to fight dealers is to legalize drugs and take the trade out of the dealers' hands. Ken Burch Aug 2016 #94

You are right. Duval Aug 2016 #127

This message was self-deleted by its author Duval Aug 2016 #128

She supported it for years and years. She still does. cali Aug 2016 #107

Sorry, but I'm not a single-issue voter, and MineralMan Aug 2016 #117

Sorry, neither am I. And it's hardly just her allegiance to the loan shark payday loan industry cali Aug 2016 #132

Good to know. nt DURHAM D Aug 2016 #2

See this, cali: MineralMan Aug 2016 #3

Thank you, Tim Canova! Jim Lane Aug 2016 #9

It's not a major issue for her. There's no reason for her to MineralMan Aug 2016 #10

I didn't like it in her, but fortunately I wouldn't Hortensis Aug 2016 #20

OK, one view is that Canova had nothing to do with it, it's just a wild coincidence. Jim Lane Aug 2016 #25

It becomes a major issue to her when she goes begging for their money and they say no. Exilednight Aug 2016 #71

Seems a bit too convenient that she flipped positions when it became Exilednight Aug 2016 #36

Same here. nt Duval Aug 2016 #130

I saw polling that shows DWS in a strong lead over Canova (Floriduh) Mika Aug 2016 #4

I'd just as soon see them banned. Unfortunately, many poor people seem to need them. Hoyt Aug 2016 #5

Sadly, we don't have a good alternative in some cases. MineralMan Aug 2016 #6

Exactly. Hoyt Aug 2016 #14

Plus then they may need to seek out real loan sharks operating in the area with out any laws Person 2713 Aug 2016 #17

Good point, loan sharks have some painful collection methods. Hoyt Aug 2016 #63

The alternative is to support things that eliminate the need for them. bananakabob Aug 2016 #77

I was going to say the same thing Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #13

I'm not poor but I had to take out a payday loan the other day. Drunken Irishman Aug 2016 #54

they are banned in many states. They've never been legal in Vermont. cali Aug 2016 #69

Post removed Post removed Aug 2016 #7

Didn't work, though. MineralMan Aug 2016 #11

I could never support a Democrat who happily goes on Joyce Kaufman's radio show. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2016 #8

It's local politics. But I don't have a problem with anyone objecting to it, either. randome Aug 2016 #12

why do people in her district support her ? JI7 Aug 2016 #15

Why wouldn't they? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #16

Scapegoated for what? Exilednight Aug 2016 #72

She is being scapgoated for Bernie's loss in the primary. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #75

You just want a Dem? Okay wanting someone with a D in front of their name Exilednight Aug 2016 #80

Numbers count...so yes I want a Dem. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #81

Just having D by the name doesn't really help. Exilednight Aug 2016 #84

Actually it counts a great deal Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #85

History isn't lost on me, A party is only as strong as it's weakest member. Exilednight Aug 2016 #87

Bernie's loss is what she is being scapegoated for. Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #119

She's not being scapegoated for that. Maybe I'm the land of unicorns and rainbows, but in the real Exilednight Aug 2016 #120

Why else would so many care about a house seat in Florida? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #135

For me, it's the views she holds on certain key issues. Exilednight Aug 2016 #136

She has backed the president so I disagree. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #142

Are you aware of her history? Lazy Daisy Aug 2016 #116

That is not really true. She has been a loyal Democrat Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #118

What's not true Lazy Daisy Aug 2016 #143

K&R CharlotteVale Aug 2016 #18

I can support this. NCTraveler Aug 2016 #19

Beware of unintended consequences. Nye Bevan Aug 2016 #21

Yup. ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #24

See #30 for an alternative to both. eom guillaumeb Aug 2016 #32

Yeah I know about that ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #34

See #30 for an alternative to both. eom guillaumeb Aug 2016 #31

And how exactly can this go through Congress unless the GOP are kicked out? Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #76

If this solution was framed as helping rural as well as urban voters, guillaumeb Aug 2016 #93

your kidding yourself...the GOP hates all Democrats and will do nothing to help Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #96

Debate that with GOP Representative Jason Chaffetz. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #99

I do not know how you can pick out one guy Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #100

We must have Congress...the GOP will never cooperate...never. nt Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #98

I could if her opponent wasn't arguably more conservative than she is and opposed the Iran deal CreekDog Aug 2016 #22

Both DWS and Canova originally opposed the Iran Deal and both now support it. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #28

well if they have the same position on the Iran deal, why did he question her support of Israel? CreekDog Aug 2016 #38

He supports it now. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #39

He supports it now? How old is that flyer with all the deadlines to register and vote? CreekDog Aug 2016 #40

From his own website: Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #42

So his campaign flyer misrepresents his position on the Iran nuclear deal? CreekDog Aug 2016 #43

I guess. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #46

You're saying the reason that Sheldon Adelson is supporting DWS is to send marijuana users to prison CreekDog Aug 2016 #50

Did she oppose Prop 2, or not? Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #51

Yeah well ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #23

She is a disgrace to the deathrind Aug 2016 #26

Or one that works with Sheldon Adelson to defend laws putting sick pot smokers in prison. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #27

She needs to change that ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #33

I agree with all you've said. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #35

Yeah I will wait and see on those stats myself ismnotwasm Aug 2016 #37

Oregon, too. We're on track to bring in substantial tax revenue this year. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #47

Florida Woman facing 10 year prison sentence for growing own medical marijuana in her home Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #29

Are you aware of this cali? guillaumeb Aug 2016 #30

Thank you for posting. /nt think Aug 2016 #48

That postal banking was for savings, only. MineralMan Aug 2016 #62

Correct, and a small prize for knowing this. guillaumeb Aug 2016 #92

I don't need any prize. I had a postal savings account as a child. MineralMan Aug 2016 #95

I've had to use them a couple of times. Eko Aug 2016 #49

If the question was phrased, "do you support the pay loan industry?", I would venture that 99% of still_one Aug 2016 #52

Payday loans suck - what sucks more is not having money to pay bills. Drunken Irishman Aug 2016 #55

So therefore they should not be reasonably regulated? jberryhill Aug 2016 #105

lol who said that? The poster wants to do away with them. Drunken Irishman Aug 2016 #121

The original post says no such thing jberryhill Aug 2016 #122

Yeah it does. The implication is there. Sorry you can't see it. Drunken Irishman Aug 2016 #125

It says: jberryhill Aug 2016 #126

Where's the part about asking for more regulations? Drunken Irishman Aug 2016 #133

It's right next to the part about abolishing them jberryhill Aug 2016 #134

There's nothing about regulating 'em. Drunken Irishman Aug 2016 #138

there's nothing about abolishing 'em jberryhill Aug 2016 #139

Considering the person brought up how they're illegal in their home state... Drunken Irishman Aug 2016 #140

how condescending can you be stonecutter357 Aug 2016 #57

Hoping that cali needs a payday loan in the near future is a really ugly thing to say. demmiblue Aug 2016 #60

This OP is a really ugly thing . stonecutter357 Aug 2016 #61

bullpuckey, stone. Just because you tolerate the crap DSW pulls, and her cali Aug 2016 #102

they are illegal in Vermont. cali Aug 2016 #70

Hope you learn to not to wish bad things happen to people you disagree with on DU. cali Aug 2016 #103

+1 demmiblue Aug 2016 #109

Wishing bad on others comes back threefold. closeupready Aug 2016 #113

thank you, but I hope not. I just hope people learn that wishing bad things on others cali Aug 2016 #114

I, too, never wish bad on others, and hope it doesn't come back. closeupready Aug 2016 #115

I'm not a single-issue voter myself bluedye33139 Aug 2016 #58

"All candidates are flawed. It's called being human." betsuni Aug 2016 #59

SFPALP William769 Aug 2016 #64

Single issue voters tend to vote against their own interests. One needs to look at all issues. still_one Aug 2016 #65

Nor could I support a Democrat who supported even more atrocities against the Palestinian people. glennward Aug 2016 #67

What a weird issue to fall on the sword for.... AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #68

And just how did she do this? treestar Aug 2016 #73

Her district supports her, she has a good D vote record in congress, fellow Ds & Pres. O back her. Sunlei Aug 2016 #74

Her opponent in the Democratic Primary doesn't think pot smokers should go to prison. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #97

Your purity is noted. Squinch Aug 2016 #78

This thread has been interesting TSIAS Aug 2016 #79

+1. SixString Aug 2016 #86

I am sure most are...but to the point of putting Trump in as President b/c of it? AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #88

Not really. It is about a crappy rep that has a primary opponent not the President nor even TheKentuckian Aug 2016 #89

+1 Hiraeth Aug 2016 #106

Welcome to the New and Improved Democratic Party - Hell Hath No Fury Aug 2016 #90

+1 :sigh: demmiblue Aug 2016 #101

this thread has been sad because of extreme partisanship. cali Aug 2016 #104

You are falling into a false dichotomy jberryhill Aug 2016 #108

The world is not black and white. Il_Coniglietto Aug 2016 #111

Don't ban the organ black market until you have a better replacement! TheKentuckian Aug 2016 #131

they do G_j Aug 2016 #123

Can you provide us with a list of Democrats that would be affected by your not voting for them? tonyt53 Aug 2016 #110

She's speaking, here, about a Democrat who is facing a primary challenge from another Democrat. Warren DeMontague Aug 2016 #141

If nothing else this provides us withan insight into how people can vote against their own interests jalan48 Aug 2016 #112

Forty-seven... fleabiscuit Aug 2016 #124