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2016 Postmortem

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highplainsdem

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Sun Oct 30, 2016, 08:35 AM Oct 2016

US editor of Israel's Haaretz: Thanks to Trump, We Can Better Understand How Hitler Was Possible [View all]

From Chemi Shalev, an Israeli journalist who's the US editor of Haaretz, Israel's oldest newspaperr:

http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/u-s-election-2016/1.749153


Thanks to Trump, We Can Better Understand How Hitler Was Possible
Chemi Shalev Oct 28, 2016 11:15 AM


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This is not to say that comparisons between the rise of Donald Trump and the ascent of Adolf Hitler are inappropriate. On the contrary: Such analogies may be light years from perfect, but they are hardly misplaced. It just seems to me that the emergence of the specifically German word Lügenpresse provided a convenient peg for some in the media to remake a connection that they have otherwise been shying away from in recent months, either because they are wary of the expected pushback or because, as Americans, they would prefer not to believe that America in 2016 bears any resemblance whatsoever to Germany of the 1920’s or 1930’s.

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Or Richard Evans, writing in The Coming of the Third Reich: “He gained much of his oratorical success by telling his audiences what they wanted to hear. He used simple, straightforward language that ordinary people could understand, short sentences, powerful emotive slogans...There were no qualifications in what he said; everything was absolute, uncompromising, irrevocable, undeviating, unalterable, final. He seemed, as many who listened to his early speeches testified, to speak straight from the heart, and to express their deepest fears and desires. Increasingly, too, he exuded self-confidence, aggression, belief in the ultimate triumph of his party, even a sense of destiny.”

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In The Origins of Totalitarianism, Hannah Arendt writes that initial successes of the Nazis and other totalitarian movements in the 1920’s and 1930’s stemmed from their reliance on hitherto politically uninvolved masses desperate for economic and social relief. Their success proved “that democratic government had rested as much on the silent approbation and tolerance of the indifferent and inarticulate sections of the people as on the articulate and visible institutions and organizations of the country.” Having been detached from political discourse and ignorant of recent history, Arendt writes, these masses were willing to accept bold lies and bald assertions as fact and to adopt the fantastical depictions of reality made by their leaders. And this was before the age of the Internet and social media, when the so-called Lügenpresse could still dictate the public’s agenda.

For me, at least, the rise of Donald Trump has been an eye-opener. Watching so many Americans fall under his spell has provided a prism to the hypnotic influence that Hitler had on Germans close to a century ago. How justified grievances and genuine economic plight, the disintegration of classes in society and the formation of others in their stead could combine with resentment, racism and downright ignorance to bring a patently unqualified and dangerous person so close to a position of so much power. How masses of Germans were willing to accept and support the litany of lies, the fountains of fabrications and dangerous delusions offered by Hitler. How hatred toward foreigners and those perceived as foreigners can burst out from the underground and then be drummed up to fever pitch. How the established leadership of a country, like that of a political party, can find itself weak and paralyzed even when faced with such an existential danger. How a politician more disciplined, more focused, more knowledgeable and more persuasive than Trump – but with the same dangerous ideas – might have easily made up the 5-10 percent of popular support that Trump seems to be missing.

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k&r. . . . . . n/t annabanana Oct 2016 #1
Here's one supporter's view of trump.. don't know how many else are like this.. Cha Oct 2016 #2
Osama bin Laden was always truthful too. baldguy Oct 2016 #5
Unlike Trump, who is a pathological liar Martin Eden Oct 2016 #8
Trump's lies fit perfectly in the FOX "News" alternate universe these people live in. Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2016 #14
She may think he's "truthful", Ilsa Oct 2016 #16
He killed my mother, he killed my father, but I'll vote for him - Liberia's Charles Taylor Feeling the Bern Oct 2016 #21
If his lips are moving he is lying at least 78% of the time. Lizzeee Oct 2016 #26
Welcome to DU, Lizzeee! calimary Oct 2016 #44
What they really mean.. LiberalLovinLug Oct 2016 #37
It's not about Trump IronLionZion Oct 2016 #38
but they have been left behind by republican refusal to raise the minimum wage, demigoddess Oct 2016 #39
Try explaining that to a Trumper IronLionZion Oct 2016 #40
we have been through this many times. Trump Supporters are not any worse off than the rest of the JI7 Oct 2016 #51
The typical trump supporter makes $72k a year bhikkhu Oct 2016 #52
Half of them make less IronLionZion Oct 2016 #54
AMEN!! I didn't know that one person in Germany owned 50% of the "new" media at that uponit7771 Oct 2016 #3
It's not so much Trump as it's his followers, supporters. no_hypocrisy Oct 2016 #4
The Republican ruling class doesn't want Trump to win. Ligyron Oct 2016 #7
you are mistaken if you believe the gop congress certainot Oct 2016 #12
Donald Trump is an Ass-Clown Chasstev365 Oct 2016 #6
Hitler was considered an Ass-Clown too by the educated at the beginning. Kablooie Oct 2016 #50
"the hypnotic influence that Hitler had on Germans" Hypnotic is a very accurate descriptor. Coyotl Oct 2016 #9
Great piece. warrprayer Oct 2016 #10
did hitler have 1200 talk radio stations blowing in his sails? certainot Oct 2016 #11
Fairness Doctrine would have put a stopper on most of the lies. The Wielding Truth Oct 2016 #34
Speak it! Maynar Oct 2016 #48
i agree certainot Oct 2016 #55
Germany had problems that Hitler exploited, America has problems tRump is exploiting groundloop Oct 2016 #13
The 2nd snip that you posted sounds a lot like GWB MiniMe Oct 2016 #17
This is a very eye-opening article NoGoodNamesLeft Oct 2016 #18
Thanks Republicans! MarinCoUSA Oct 2016 #19
K & R lonestarnot Oct 2016 #20
KnR Hekate Oct 2016 #22
Check out this video trailer...Third Reich:Evil Deception DippyDem Oct 2016 #23
Thanks for this Hitler film video! Madam45for2923 Oct 2016 #24
The Trump noise machine polynomial Oct 2016 #25
Trump could be worse than Hitler. We could give Trump nukes. Doodley Oct 2016 #27
Trump can't fire the nukes all by himself. He'd need additional nutters to do the actual deed(s). ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #30
No worries, the religious reich who see Drumpf as sent from God, would be more than happy workinclasszero Oct 2016 #32
If he is the second coming then they will soon be with their maker, but I'm not ready so he can't The Wielding Truth Oct 2016 #49
You're right that religious fanatics seem to be the worst of the worst ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #57
Look up "nuclear football." All it takes are codes from the POTUS and the SoD, and... Buckeye_Democrat Oct 2016 #36
but the Secretary of Defense is a human person . . . (or approximation thereof) . . . ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #56
Thanks for posting this. I have an ongoing discussion about this topic with a Jewish friend. ColemanMaskell Oct 2016 #28
k&r highplainsdem saidsimplesimon Oct 2016 #29
K & R mountain grammy Oct 2016 #31
The reason I dislike this post so very, very much is that it is PatrickforO Oct 2016 #33
Catchy title and I am all for equating Trump with armageddon in our lifetime McCamy Taylor Oct 2016 #35
K & R SunSeeker Oct 2016 #41
One of Trump's ex wives said he kept a book of Hitler's speeches alfredo Oct 2016 #42
K&R smirkymonkey Oct 2016 #43
i was thinking this but was wondering if it might be insensitive to what happened under Hitler JI7 Oct 2016 #45
Thank you for posting--critical as many people as possible understand this. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2016 #46
K&R. I've been making similar points, but nowhere near as clearly as Shalev. Dark n Stormy Knight Oct 2016 #47
Pox News propaganda The Wizard Oct 2016 #53
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