Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

2016 Postmortem

In reply to the discussion: Ended a friendship today. [View all]

cer7711

(502 posts)
47. You Did the Right Thing
Fri Jan 18, 2013, 12:59 AM
Jan 2013

Last edited Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:01 AM - Edit history (4)

I, too, have ended personal friendships with ardent right-wingers. One I had known for over 20 years. This man--a very smart man in some ways, I might add (IT professional)--was gleefully, gigglingly happy over the amount of guns and ammo being sold after Obama first won office (yeah, that long ago). His reaction revolted, chilled and sickened me. The hair prickled on my forearms and the back of my neck as I distinctly remember saying to myself, "This is what sitting in the presence of evil feels like."

The thing is he's not a white guy but an American of Chinese ethnicity who listens to El Rusbo, Hannity, O'Reilly, et. al. (Which explains everything and nothing. Why can't these listeners/viewers see through the right's hate-mongering BS?)

We got into a spirited discussion about the reality/non-reality of global climate change a day or two later.

Just before the discussion ended I asked him: "Tell me something, Mr. X. I've given you facts, cited the opinions of respected scientific authorities, provided verifiable hard data and explained to you, in detail, why and how GCC is occurring. Yet still you insist it's 'all a hoax.' So what would it take to change your mind?"

He barked out some nonsense and I said, "No, I'm completely serious. Let's say I have it all wrong. Let's assume for the sake of argument that everything I just told you is incorrect and/or misrepresented and/or objectively false or otherwise in error. What additional or alternate set of verifiable, objective facts would cause you to change your mind on this issue?"

He answered, with some heat, "Nothing! I will never change my opinion on this issue because it's all lefty, enviro-fascist nonsense."

I set my iced tea down carefully and studied him for a moment. "What you just said, Mr. X., proves that you do not have an open, rational mind on this topic. You have erected a 'reality-impermeable' barrier in your mind through which no facts can pass. In short, yours is a religious conviction, not an informed opinion. And you do not have the right to be ignorant and willfully-stupid on this issue, given that you are, in most other respects, a man of great intelligence and wisdom. The stakes are too high. The time to fix things may already be too late. It is willful stupidity like your own which may have already condemned the human race to extinction in the very infancy of its lifespan."

I ended our friendship the next day, cutting off all further personal contact. Painful, yes--but sometimes the only way to communicate the level of horror and dismay we feel to these ardent right-wingers is to punish them for maintaining a paranoiac, facts-impermeable, reality-distortion bubble around themselves. Yes, there is a frightened, squawking, ID-dominate child within that bubble--who may then fall even deeper in thrall to hostile, hate-mongering forces who reinforce that bubble--but the ultimate responsibility for that moral failing is their own, not ours. The social sanction of "shunning" may, in fact, be the only thing that gets through to these people. And you--like me, like others--are under no obligation to literally spend the rest of our own lives in fruitless, irritating, circular, ridiculous argument with hateful, reality-denying people.

Life is too short. And we owe it to ourselves and our loved ones to spend more quality time with our own.

Ended a friendship today. [View all] Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 OP
Nope. I've never understood why anyone would tolerate a hateful person, Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #1
people who buy hoax theories kill the victims again. no good person can respect that roguevalley Jan 2013 #71
20 tiny coffins Protalker Jan 2013 #2
Perhaps you can look at it this way 2naSalit Jan 2013 #3
Great post! Rider3 Jan 2013 #83
Thanks. 2naSalit Jan 2013 #86
No and it is his loss. appleannie1 Jan 2013 #4
I don't think I would end a friendship over that. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #5
That's cool... Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #7
I would have laughed because of shock, not humor. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #8
Maybe. I just don't have it in me anymore to care enough to debate with these people... Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #11
You definately know better than me who you should associate with. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #12
completely understand what you are going through hopemountain Jan 2013 #49
+++1,000 SouthernDonkey Jan 2013 #58
fdebate kardonb Jan 2013 #74
I haven't had a Facbook since 2008... Rockyj Jan 2013 #101
Your former friend disrespected those 26 victims and everyone who loves them, DI catbyte Jan 2013 #89
You may have posted this to the wrong reply, as opposed to the OP. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #92
I think you did the right thing Lifelong Protester Jan 2013 #6
Blind To A Massacre kairos12 Jan 2013 #9
You did the right thing. And you made space in your life for a better friend. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #10
Not everyone in the world can be your friend derby378 Jan 2013 #13
Nope. MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #14
I don't think you overreacted. Brigid Jan 2013 #15
To deny the deaths of these innocents is to shoot them all over again. Not 4 me. Not 4 U. MichiganVote Jan 2013 #16
People have a right to their own opinions. baldguy Jan 2013 #17
...their own opinions, but not their own facts. n/t agracie Jan 2013 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author williamc1967txlib Jan 2013 #54
I would have been much worse salinen Jan 2013 #18
Not at all - your reaction was appropriate! LibGranny Jan 2013 #19
You did the right thing, DI. It's sad to lose a friendly acquaintance that you thought better of... Hekate Jan 2013 #20
Hoax? obxhead Jan 2013 #21
You did the right thing. K&R. n/t jenmito Jan 2013 #22
You may have helped . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #23
I couldn't either BainsBane Jan 2013 #24
I lost a friend of 25 years because Ilsa Jan 2013 #25
It's hard to have a "friendship" with someone like that. BlueDemKev Jan 2013 #26
You did what you felt was right. There does come a point when enough is enough. I think southernyankeebelle Jan 2013 #27
I don't think any functional adult can be that stupid. hay rick Jan 2013 #28
You did the right thing rightsideout Jan 2013 #29
Anyone who is buying this hoax story, likely has many other disqualifying traits for friendship. SleeplessinSoCal Jan 2013 #30
Sometimes you have to say... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #31
At least you're not related to him abelenkpe Jan 2013 #32
My son unfriended his in-laws on facebook! coldbeer Jan 2013 #33
I think you did the right thing... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #34
They don't sell time at the corner store The Wizard Jan 2013 #35
Great response. truebluegreen Jan 2013 #42
Send him this!! healthnut7 Jan 2013 #36
I don't think you did. I'm down to about 6 people that I will talk with. russspeakeasy Jan 2013 #37
Conspiracy nuts RoccoRyg Jan 2013 #38
Some opinions just aren't worth respecting. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #39
My line with such people is, "We are friends to the end, and rateyes Jan 2013 #40
I hate it when people insist I have to respect their opinions. truebluegreen Jan 2013 #41
Exactly. "Respect your opinion? Do you respect MY opinion that... JHB Jan 2013 #61
I believe it was Harlan Ellison who said SwankyXomb Jan 2013 #94
Certainly not entitled to hold un-informed opinions without challenge. truebluegreen Jan 2013 #108
Nice thoughts but Vietnameravet Jan 2013 #105
I hear what you are saying and the "defend to the death" thing truebluegreen Jan 2013 #107
Y^es I know its a quote and Vietnameravet Jan 2013 #109
I certainly understand, flippant or not truebluegreen Jan 2013 #113
Ha! (as Tweety says it) ReRe Jan 2013 #43
Don't fret. I have unfriended several LittleGirl Jan 2013 #44
I had to call someone out for this shit too. Claybrains Jan 2013 #45
Drunken Irishman, I have two things to share with you: freshwest Jan 2013 #46
You Did the Right Thing cer7711 Jan 2013 #47
Right. BellaKos Jan 2013 #55
That's What Really Worries Me cer7711 Jan 2013 #62
My husband works with two guys who are becoming more angry about losing their guns kimbutgar Jan 2013 #68
You, Drunken Irishman, have no obligation to soak up this guy's shit that he's putting out NBachers Jan 2013 #48
Some people just can't be helped by you holding their hand... ellisonz Jan 2013 #50
Good for you!!! These conspiracy theorists are like the worst cult imaginable graham4anything Jan 2013 #51
Not easy to "respect" victims of brainwashing. I consider Cha Jan 2013 #53
Good for you. GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #56
When I was growing up, my Mom would say... KansDem Jan 2013 #57
Hell no! You didn't overreact lunatica Jan 2013 #59
People often mistake respecting somebody's right to have an opinion with respecting the opinion alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #60
I've lost a few friends over the last few monts davidpdx Jan 2013 #63
Refute the bullshit calmly CANDO Jan 2013 #64
Don't blame you one bit. Pool Hall Ace Jan 2013 #65
Denying reality is not an opinion jmondine Jan 2013 #66
That's not an opinion ... surrealAmerican Jan 2013 #67
I unfriended someone on FaceBook last night... azlatina Jan 2013 #69
No, you are not overreacting. yellerpup Jan 2013 #70
Not overreacting. mgardener Jan 2013 #72
NO Old Codger Jan 2013 #73
I fear I'm going to lose my 2 best friends, and it's going to be the gun issue I'm sure. Populist_Prole Jan 2013 #75
Respect that they're ENTITLED to an opinion. Iggo Jan 2013 #76
Sometimes ending it is a respectful act, to them & to yourself. The questions are about patrice Jan 2013 #77
I was switching radio stations while Jenoch Jan 2013 #78
I've spent much of the last 6 months defriending Right Wingers MessiahRp Jan 2013 #79
I Love you barbiegeek Jan 2013 #80
This! helderheid Jan 2013 #81
Thank you for this! ReallyIAmAnOptimist Jan 2013 #96
I would have ended that friendship, too Rider3 Jan 2013 #82
Don't Second-Guess Yourself. You Did The Right Thing. Paladin Jan 2013 #84
I don't understand why you would even question your actions. This person is a dangerous idiot. Pisces Jan 2013 #85
It's amazing to me what people consider "opinions" wryter2000 Jan 2013 #87
You did the right thing Janecita Jan 2013 #88
Would you continue a friendship with someone who denied the Holocaust? The Moon landing? These Rowdyboy Jan 2013 #90
Well maybe the moon landing... Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #93
The moon landing? Probably. I have some MIHOP friends, too. Recursion Jan 2013 #111
This message was self-deleted by its author Rowdyboy Jan 2013 #112
I have done the same thing Pakid Jan 2013 #91
I would dump that person too amuse bouche Jan 2013 #95
People like that are unbelievably selfish. Or paranoid. Whovian Jan 2013 #97
Mr. Irishman Iwillnevergiveup Jan 2013 #98
Honesty quakerboy Jan 2013 #99
Facts and opinions are NOT the same thing nobodyspecial Jan 2013 #100
I think this crap speaks to who they ARE as a person. It goes beyond respecting opinions. gateley Jan 2013 #102
You had to be true to yourself. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #103
Don't know anyone quite that nuts --but others that are in the vicinity elfin Jan 2013 #104
My thoughts Vietnameravet Jan 2013 #106
Respect what opinion? He wishes to pretend that something factual did not happen - that isn't an DeschutesRiver Jan 2013 #110
Great Advice & Analysis of the Problem cer7711 Jan 2013 #115
Not only no libodem Jan 2013 #114
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Ended a friendship today.»Reply #47