2016 Postmortem

Kelvin Mace

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24. I need names

Mon Jun 9, 2014, 05:55 PM

Jun 2014

and I need evidence they "know what they are talking about".

Also, WHY should we believe an intelligence service that has a 50+ year string of failures? A 50+ year record of willfully violating the law?

When it comes to whether or not we commit murder as a national policy, I have MUCH higher standards of proof.

I don't think "everyone is lying", I think that MANY in government have lied often enough that we must require much more than just their word before we believe them.

As far as I am aware, no credible source has disputed that Al Waki was sending bombs. Under the circumstances, Obama did the right thing.

Seriously, that is now the standard of proof? Last I checked, the U.S. criminal code REQUIRED the presumption of innocence and that the state must PROVE guilt. You are telling me it is sufficient that the state make an allegation, and unless some "credible source" disagrees with them, the allegation is assumed true and their life is forfeit.

In terms of logic, that is right up there with "He must be guilty, otherwise he wouldn't have been arrested."

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Obama abuses the constitution is just pure BS .. [View all] MindMover Jun 2014 OP

The place where he abuses the Constitution Kelvin Mace Jun 2014 #1

Is this happening on American soil? Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #2

Point to me where in the Constitution Kelvin Mace Jun 2014 #6

Point to where in the Constitution where it stops at the US borders. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #7

I would rather us not murder people in such a cold-blooded Kelvin Mace Jun 2014 #10

When one steps outside of our borders the ruof the country takes over. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #12

So, murder is okay Kelvin Mace Jun 2014 #14

Perhaps these are hits to prevent little girls dressed in pink from a terrorist plot, Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #16

Perhaps? Kelvin Mace Jun 2014 #17

Your dog doesn't hunt. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #19

Cliches? Kelvin Mace Jun 2014 #20

So far you have not said anything to change my opinion, but I will continue to have my opinion. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #21

I have asked you solid questions and you refused to anwser. Kelvin Mace Jun 2014 #22

I do not have the information which is given to those in charge of making these Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #25

So, you choose to believe that people who have lied in the past are now telling the truth? Kelvin Mace Jun 2014 #26

it goes both ways Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #27

Really? Kelvin Mace Jun 2014 #32

Who are you complaining about, I did not know this is a thread about the CIA. Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #33

You have a perfect right to believe anyone you choose Kelvin Mace Jun 2014 #36

It was not "just because." SunSeeker Jun 2014 #3

And what court convicted Kelvin Mace Jun 2014 #5

Was these Americans sigthseeing or why were they next to targets? Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #8

So, simply associating with people the U.S. government Kelvin Mace Jun 2014 #9

Since you do not know if they were sight seeing then you don't know if they are aidinf abetting Thinkingabout Jun 2014 #11

Please don't try to "9/11" the issue. Kelvin Mace Jun 2014 #13

Al Waki was sending bombs to the U.S. packaged in printer cartridges. SunSeeker Jun 2014 #15

Again, according to WHO? Kelvin Mace Jun 2014 #18

According to Obama administration folks who know what they are talking about. SunSeeker Jun 2014 #23

I need names Kelvin Mace Jun 2014 #24

Barack Obama. nt SunSeeker Jun 2014 #30

Well, there's a problem right off Kelvin Mace Jun 2014 #31

Killing Al-Awlaki in no way protected the United States from imminent harm. Maedhros Jun 2014 #28

We'll have to agree to disagree. nt SunSeeker Jun 2014 #29

Does the US create Terror? Occulib Jun 2014 #34

If you really read Scahill's book, you'd know the son wasn't killed while looking for his dad. SunSeeker Jun 2014 #35

Thanks for the clarification but... Occulib Jun 2014 #37

Still some pretty weak justifications from the Obama administration Occulib Jun 2014 #38

These days, having the "ideals of Republicans" does not require much "turning." SunSeeker Jun 2014 #40

Response to the last comment Occulib Jun 2014 #39

The US does not purposely target innocent civilians. That is what Al Waki did. SunSeeker Jun 2014 #41

I dont get it Occulib Jun 2014 #42

Welcome to DU, Occulib! Rhiannon12866 Jun 2014 #43

Oh so they are just casualties of war? Occulib Jun 2014 #44

many of the EOs issued cut off American businessmen from their massive investments with Sunlei Jun 2014 #4