2016 Postmortem

kenfrequed

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57. Apart from the phrasing

Mon Jul 13, 2015, 01:48 PM

Jul 2015

Tax credits are probably one of the worst ways to stimulate growth. Most of the businesses that recieve it will find a way to justify it based on existing structures or training environment systems. The very nature of this kind of tax breaks work this way.

The real reason a business hires is as a last resort because they have tried everything else with their existing workforce to attempt to provide for the demand of a product or service. This is the nature of capitalism. If you want a business to change then you have to compel them by law. Attempting to bribe them with tax benefits, particularly ones that are so small, only encourages them to find sneaky ways to gobble up such a benefit.

If you want busineses to pay better the real target is to increase minimum wage. Doing so garauntees more money at the bottom and therefor more demand for products and services which will work that way up the system. A living wage would be the best of all possibilities.

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This is why I despair at HRC being the candidate [View all] Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 OP

Well treated workers are an asset to a business. They are people of course, but also an asset uppityperson Jul 2015 #1

"Asset" may refer to people metaphoricaly Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #3

Higher wages and training does. uppityperson Jul 2015 #7

Certainly Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #14

Are you really advocating for lower wages, benefits, training? uppityperson Jul 2015 #21

No, I am discussing what happens when you refer to and think of Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #27

Here's the transcript of her speech. While there are things to criticize her for, this is not one of uppityperson Jul 2015 #30

Apart from the phrasing kenfrequed Jul 2015 #57

"Tax credits are probably one of the worst ways to stimulate growth." Scuba Jul 2015 #109

Accelerated depreciation is a tax credit kenfrequed Jul 2015 #111

I'm wondering if the tax credit would apply only to U.S. citizens dreamnightwind Jul 2015 #67

This point of view PATRICK Jul 2015 #72

Apprenticeship tax credit for every worker they train and hire. That is exactly what the CETA jwirr Jul 2015 #83

Additionally kenfrequed Jul 2015 #110

Correct. I did not work when it was called CETA. jwirr Jul 2015 #112

And what about the "assets" that don't have jobs? erronis Jul 2015 #86

Don't try to put words into my mouth as you will only fail. Do you agree or disagree with uppityperson Jul 2015 #87

The primaries will determine the candidate still_one Jul 2015 #2

I agree. I am first and foremost a CITIZEN... ms liberty Jul 2015 #4

Your boss either sees you as an EXPENSE, or an ASSET. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #5

I see it that way also. Treat your employees well and they are an asset to the business uppityperson Jul 2015 #6

Exactly ... I know a guy who sees employees as "expenses" to be managed DOWN ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #11

Bernie supporters leftynyc Jul 2015 #9

Some of them start with a conclusion, and then work backwards. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #12

True enough leftynyc Jul 2015 #20

I've honestly just stopped coming to the board. musicblind Jul 2015 #99

I'm very stubborn leftynyc Jul 2015 #108

I think it's more important to look at her record and see what she has stood and fought for Cal33 Jul 2015 #80

I don't see anything in this leftynyc Jul 2015 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author Cal33 Jul 2015 #90

Having been a boss Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #13

You were a "boss"?? JoePhilly Jul 2015 #16

You call yourself a "boss" yet have trouble discussing economics and assets, the humanity of it? uppityperson Jul 2015 #22

Yes, I do. Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #26

I do not dare say what I am thinking about the use of assets because I will get targeted. But jwirr Jul 2015 #84

I owned my own business and was a Director Sales and Marketing before that... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #36

Again, Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #71

Question. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #79

I was in the position to hire and fire for about five years. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #88

I have--and if you use the term in a fitrep or evaluation, it can get your "assets" MADem Jul 2015 #82

Which is why someone else needs to counterbalance that view. jeff47 Jul 2015 #32

You're looking for nuance on a site that only allows 140 characters? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #8

Yes, and just like other "assets" they can be bought and sold Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #10

Nothing can stop employers from firing employees if... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #19

Notice that in a reponse to me ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #25

Um, now I know you are being utterly disingenious Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #31

So you mean that we shouldn't base this discussion on just one word? JoePhilly Jul 2015 #37

Brilliant! AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #39

To be fair ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #55

I'm old enough to remember bvf Jul 2015 #15

Only smart business owners see employees as assets. MineralMan Jul 2015 #17

Yes, asset has several meanings. antiquie Jul 2015 #38

What you say is true, of course. MineralMan Jul 2015 #43

That is why large companies have a "Human Reassures Department" awake Jul 2015 #18

Feel The Bern ! loveallserveall Jul 2015 #23

This doesn't seem to square with "you didn't build that". cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #24

she's not even technically correct from the business/accounting point of view Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #28

HILLARY CLINTON: FIGHTING FOR AMERICA’S WORKERS...just a few excepts.. Sancho Jul 2015 #49

Hillary at the ribbon cutting on the 22nd Tata outsourcing office opened in the USA Fumesucker Jul 2015 #74

Sorry but that is how you must speak to business Gman Jul 2015 #29

and her business experience is...? Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #33

Excerpt from National First Ladies Library Sancho Jul 2015 #46

There you go Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #52

first I've read that type of spew. How did the SOS turn the position into a disaster? Sunlei Jul 2015 #48

Check out Libya lately? Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #53

lol, ok I see you blame that wicked woman for all global problems. Sunlei Jul 2015 #62

Nope Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #66

How about you first list the actual detail of what that wicked woman did. Sunlei Jul 2015 #70

Orchestrating the overthrow of the Libyan government Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #73

Any CEO who made sure workers got better pay and training would be fired, with cause? uppityperson Jul 2015 #60

Under today's laws? Yes! Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #68

She was an exceptional Secretary of State and bashing her time as SOS is a right wing meme. musicblind Jul 2015 #100

What exactly was exceptional about her tenure? Man from Pickens Jul 2015 #106

You're the government. You don't need to say "Mother, may I?". jeff47 Jul 2015 #34

that has nothing to do with oligarchs JI7 Jul 2015 #35

If the Corp gets a huge tax break udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #40

Wow...Bernie is the one who has spouted economics for 30 years - NOT social justice! Sancho Jul 2015 #41

I don't read Hillary's PAC propaganda.. London Lover Man Jul 2015 #47

You can always look at the links yourself... Sancho Jul 2015 #50

Right now, there are serious faults with Clinton London Lover Man Jul 2015 #51

She voted for a war Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #69

Not good. If she considers us proles "assets" then she's in the wrong mindset. London Lover Man Jul 2015 #42

excuse me, what is a proles? Sunlei Jul 2015 #59

prole is short for proletariat. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #105

Is that like being just another number? TheCowsCameHome Jul 2015 #44

It is to me Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #64

People were ok when Henry Ford said similar, and raised his workers wages. Sunlei Jul 2015 #45

Slaves were considered assets... HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #54

And the Nazis called themselves Socialists. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #56

Are you serious? I mean, really. Are you serious? Number23 Jul 2015 #89

Wall Street was founded as a slave market. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #91

"It might come as a shock to you" That someone is equating Hillary's comment with slavery??! Number23 Jul 2015 #94

Just watch. musicblind Jul 2015 #102

"we'll just be sitting in the back of the room shaking our heads at these children." Number23 Jul 2015 #104

So the only reason for higher pay is to reap higher profits. Kablooie Jul 2015 #58

"Workers are assets" actually shows WHO she is talking to......She is talking TO the oligarchs..... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #61

The oligarchs are suddenly going to see reason? Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #63

Wow. really telling as to what she thinks about us proles. kath Jul 2015 #65

That's it? Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2015 #75

Oh, would you like the long list? Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #76

I just didn't realize that "asset" was a four-letter word Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2015 #78

I've been called an "Ass" but I disagree with the term. BlueJazz Jul 2015 #77

ASSET is a positive concept and construct, and it can refer to humans. MADem Jul 2015 #81

Or property. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #92

Yes. Person, or thing. As the definition I provided describes. MADem Jul 2015 #97

Good grief.. its like saying your spouse is an asset. DCBob Jul 2015 #93

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #95

.... ronnykmarshall Jul 2015 #96

............... MADem Jul 2015 #98

I love her! n/t tazkcmo Jul 2015 #103

I feel bad for any 'Asset' that she feels 'lacks utility' to her HFRN Jul 2015 #101

Hey, how neat. A human being. in Despair Capn Sunshine Jul 2015 #107

Where is the language of the "oligarchs?" NCTraveler Jul 2015 #113

This is why I despair at Bernie being the candidate. DanTex Jul 2015 #114

He has a much greater chance of winning with HRC as the nominee Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #115

You realize that people who don't post on DU get to vote in the election too, right? DanTex Jul 2015 #116

Thus we will have a center right Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #117

That would make other workers "liabilities." Liabilities are liquidated. leveymg Jul 2015 #118

Really? THIS is why you despair? All Tuckered Out Jul 2015 #119

This is just the latest Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #120

You are an odd All Tuckered Out Jul 2015 #122

I specifically Kelvin Mace Jul 2015 #123

"Even when pandering to us, she speaks the language of the oligarchs." LWolf Jul 2015 #121