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gobears10

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Sun Aug 9, 2015, 07:49 PM Aug 2015

Holy, are there people here seriously defending BLM Seattle's actions!?? What's wrong with you? [View all]

Last edited Tue Aug 11, 2015, 01:08 AM - Edit history (6)

Marissa Janae Johnson called Bernie Sanders a WHITE SUPREMACIST LIBERAL. She said the same about white progressives in the crowd, calling them and Sanders extremely racist and "white supremacist liberals." Never mind that that Sanders' father was an immigrant from Poland whose family was killed in the Holocaust. Nazi Germany and Hitler were driven by a white supremacist ideology that did not county Jews as "Aryan." Neo-nazi and modern white supremacist and white nationalist groups are also very anti-Semitic.

BLM Seattle also posted this on their FB page: "The problem with Sanders’, and with white Seattle progressives in general, is that they are utterly and totally useless (when not outright harmful) in terms of the fight for Black lives."

If these protesters are calling Bernie Sanders a "white supremacist liberal," they have no idea what that is. We used to have white supremacist liberals in our country: they were southern Democrats and Dixiecrats. They were white people mostly in the south who supported economically leftist policies such as FDR's New Deal, Social Security, unemployment insurance, minimum wage laws, and pro-union laws, etc., but they felt that black people were racially inferior, and supported white supremacist policies like banning interracial marriage, Jim Crow, and racial segregation. Strom Thurmond and George Wallace are examples. Dixiecrats largely stopped existing after Nixon's Southern Strategy in which the GOP took over the South though.

Bernie is the FURTHEST THING FROM THAT.

Every group is oppressed in different ways and bigotry does nothing to fix that. Rants about "white people" only reinforce the philosophy that bigotry is acceptable, so long as one feels oppressed. Where does it end if the oppressed group can indiscriminately hate on whatever group the oppressors are part of? So the Russians were justified in what they did to German civilians at the end of WWII? Then that must have given East German babies conceived of sexual assault the right to indiscriminately hate Russia once they grew up, right? WHERE DOES IT STOP?

Isn't it infinitely better to change "ugh, white people" to "ugh, bigots?" To spread the message that labeling and stereotyping and hating entire groups of people is wrong? That bigotry is unacceptably wrong? Marissa Janae Johnson doesn't know the attendees at Bernie's Seattle rally, doesn't know their life stories, what they believe in, or stand for, yet she called them all "racists" and "white supremacist liberals." There's a pic of her floating around with a shirt saying, "sipping on white tears." I find that despicable and prejudiced.

It's the kind of thinking MLK denounced. Malcolm X also denounced that prejudiced thinking after his journey on the Hajj. Making assumptions about people, stereotyping, having your default position being viewing people with distrust...that's WRONG.

BLM Portland said on their FB page "This old white man and his colorblind economic policies ain't gonna save us y'all." First, he doesn't have colorblind economic policies, he's always been intersectional and talked about institutional racism. Second, to me, it's weird to bring up the fact that he's first and foremost an old white man, without acknowledging his record or policy positions, especially relative to other candidates. That's prejudice and bigotry to me, which is unacceptable.

I'm a man of color. I'm Indian-American: I immigrated from India as a child. I don't have white privilege. I've been discriminated against people of all races due to my skin color. I think systemic racism against PoC is a huge problem in our country, and I want to combat it. Structural white privilege is real.

And yet, I strongly think bigotry against any race, or stereotyping, even against white people, is unacceptable. That's not progressive. That is regressive, bigoted, and reactionary, and should be condemned. If you supported the words and actions of Marissa Janae Johnson, you are NOT a progressive or liberal in my eyes. You are pro-bigotry and a reactionary and a regressive.

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Well done! Thanks...K&R! haikugal Aug 2015 #1
This Needs To Be Read...They Were Paid billhicks76 Aug 2015 #29
All the edibility of right-wingers that use contorted logic to call any liberal or minority brewens Aug 2015 #2
Frankly what they did was sheer stupidity....hurting the one candidate most likely to help them. yourout Aug 2015 #3
Ignorance & Hate are UGLY, and in this case deadly among the lower Middle Class & The Poor. bvar22 Aug 2015 #4
The only people defending it are the usual suspects Hydra Aug 2015 #5
that's why everyone's so suspicious--that we've been hearing this since 2008, MisterP Aug 2015 #8
Meatspace? R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2015 #90
It would seem to me that BLM is being used to spread a message that ALL white people are jwirr Aug 2015 #42
Then we need a disavowal of the Seattle chapter's actions Hydra Aug 2015 #45
They were a trolling operation trying to get Bernie to have them arrested. The money Vincardog Aug 2015 #78
if you start there, then you can begin the discussion in earnest Supersedeas Aug 2015 #183
Ignore any asshole boosting BLM Seattle's actions MoveIt Aug 2015 #43
K&R! Well said! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2015 #6
excellent, insightful post cali Aug 2015 #7
BLM Seattle? BLM Portland? MinM Aug 2015 #9
er...yeah Doctor_J Aug 2015 #26
why do they always ask when they know they'll get an answer? in detail MisterP Aug 2015 #27
Thanks for the links... MinM Aug 2015 #37
here is something from Ring of Fire Voice for Peace Aug 2015 #105
Crazy .. we should thank Marissa Janae Johnson. MinM Aug 2015 #179
I'm sure you already know this but there are many more examples. Shameful. n/t A Simple Game Aug 2015 #56
great post. nt restorefreedom Aug 2015 #10
Come on, people. We've all watched BLM form over the last year . . . brush Aug 2015 #11
Then let BLM repudiate it dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #12
Not buying it? brush Aug 2015 #14
No I am not new to the game dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #18
Like I said . . . brush Aug 2015 #113
So you will assume that these three women represent the nation movement rhett o rick Aug 2015 #158
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #166
+1 nt Live and Learn Aug 2015 #96
Here is the answer passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #30
Wow dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #68
Someone who might be a speaker for BLM made a statement Babel_17 Aug 2015 #132
She was the person who disrupted Bernie at Net Roots. snagglepuss Aug 2015 #155
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #165
Wait a minute. You can't come on here stating that BLM is funded by Soros . . . brush Aug 2015 #168
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #169
WHERE IS YOUR PROOF? brush Aug 2015 #170
Yup......please provide links. GP6971 Aug 2015 #172
Shouldn't your response have been to the post that was hidden? brush Aug 2015 #173
What's wrong with supporting a movement to stop police killings? BainsBane Aug 2015 #13
Did you even read the OP? nt Mojorabbit Aug 2015 #19
Sure don't look like it. Fuddnik Aug 2015 #20
But why miss a perfectly good opportunity to grandstand? stranger81 Aug 2015 #24
NO KIDDING. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #80
I will stand with BLM too passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #31
Co-opted by "a woman's movement"? Orangepeel Aug 2015 #86
You'll support them as long as its not your candidate being sandbagged shaayecanaan Aug 2015 #32
The day I put a politician's career above human rights and equality BainsBane Aug 2015 #40
BLM is one group. And it increasingly appears seriously fucked up. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #54
...^ that 840high Aug 2015 #77
Let's see: Bernie Sanders versus a dimwit Palin voter. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #123
Her facebook link said she had a Palin button in high school. R B Garr Aug 2015 #129
And? There's still no compelling reason I should listen to someone with this sort of judgment. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #130
Ah, so picking a party in high school is the new standard, yet Bernie isn't even R B Garr Aug 2015 #134
I'll align myself with the liberal while you work with the Palin groupie. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #137
Ah, but liberals who can actually get elected are even better. R B Garr Aug 2015 #139
Bernie has not switched parties. passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #142
So Bernie is an opportunist who is using the Democratic party. R B Garr Aug 2015 #143
AA's have always been welcome in this party by the progressives passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #144
You are denying it is Sander's supporters who are attacking BLM now?? R B Garr Aug 2015 #147
And you are obviously trolling for a fight passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #148
Reality is that it was you who tried to divide the Democratic party R B Garr Aug 2015 #149
Show me where I said "only" passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #151
Here's what you said: "by the progressives" Your quote: R B Garr Aug 2015 #153
Don't waste your time with that one, passiveporcupine. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #157
She might have an agenda that's not really in sync with BLM Babel_17 Aug 2015 #177
Bernie Sanders is opposed to police killings tinrobot Aug 2015 #41
Don't be fooled JackInGreen Aug 2015 #91
The case you make in your posts would be more convincing.... AOR Aug 2015 #81
I don't need to reconcile a thing BainsBane Aug 2015 #109
Of course your voting rights are your own... AOR Aug 2015 #133
When that movement apparently wants to wait at least 16 months to do anything about it. jeff47 Aug 2015 #82
WTF? C Moon Aug 2015 #104
Are you familiar with what happened in Seattle? NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #106
We were all already supporting that movement. Bernie was already supporting it. Ken Burch Aug 2015 #112
Nothing. By your description it is a good thing. Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #114
So shocked! MoveIt Aug 2015 #117
The "Bernie Sanders and progressive Democrats are racist" meme began here Zorra Aug 2015 #15
They already did some damage Doctor_J Aug 2015 #17
I really hate to hear this coming from liberals and progressives passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #150
I doubt this is coming from Clinton supporters Qutzupalotl Aug 2015 #163
Thanks, good info dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #33
I PM'd the info to you, otherwise it would get hidden. Again. nt Zorra Aug 2015 #47
Me too please Zorra, thanks! haikugal Aug 2015 #127
Organized, dirty politics by the HC crowd left-of-center2012 Aug 2015 #79
Nah, probably the GOP. jeff47 Aug 2015 #83
^^^^THIS THIS THIS^^^^ haikugal Aug 2015 #126
You're a busy fellow, aren't you? Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #16
per Marissa's facebook page, she supported Sarah Palin and was with the GOP until about a month ago magical thyme Aug 2015 #28
Passive-aggressive isn't an attractive look. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #34
Did you bother to check out her Facebook page? truebrit71 Aug 2015 #35
Do you like the new changes to Bernie's website? Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #36
Do you agree with her statement that Bernie and his followers.. truebrit71 Aug 2015 #38
OMG, Bernie is in on this too? Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #48
Try answering the question. truebrit71 Aug 2015 #57
Nobody but you is claiming Bernie is allying himself with her dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #59
News flash. I don't care what any of you think of me or what I post. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #61
Bernie didn't respond to the Palin wingnut who screamed and shoved him yesterday. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #65
Awww, c'mere. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #66
"I had a Sarah Palin button on backpack" Who is BLMS's Marissa "Johnson" Jenae? beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #69
1+ riversedge Aug 2015 #88
re the walkback, not so fast dreamnightwind Aug 2015 #70
I think they're doubling down on the meme because they're embarrassed. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #74
I think a lot of people shamelessly hoped this "racist" smear would stick for a while arcane1 Aug 2015 #154
Now anyone who criticizes Marissa cares more about Bernie than black lives. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #156
Soros? Surely you mean the Kochs. CJCRANE Aug 2015 #108
I doubt Seattle had anything to do with it but rather the campaign's engagement with these Luminous Animal Aug 2015 #135
You defend this subhuman Republican piece of shit all you want. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #115
NOBODY is "subhuman". winter is coming Aug 2015 #121
Ok DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #122
I think you just got your answer... Bubzer Aug 2015 #89
There's a name for your logical fallacy: Post hoc ergo propter hoc Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #55
You mean the fact that Bernie added a section on racial justice to his website today? Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #58
So Bernie added Racial Justice to his website... and you think this is bad? Bubzer Aug 2015 #92
I think it is great! I'm not sure why you thought I thought it was bad. Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #95
I think, what you're deriding as conspiracy, others are legimately seeing as a cause for concern Bubzer Aug 2015 #119
When I was 16 my father apologized to me because it was his fault that "your face is so ugly nobody magical thyme Aug 2015 #110
um, what Facebook page? kwassa Aug 2015 #85
several links here AnotherDreamWeaver Aug 2015 #97
links right here: magical thyme Aug 2015 #111
The people behind that ideology considered Jews rats, and a disease. There was a whole Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #21
is there a strangely PALE person in this group? pansypoo53219 Aug 2015 #22
I want to know if some of these BLM protestor are registered to vote K lib Aug 2015 #23
I'd guess many are registered to vote but won't participate in two parties and see Sanders as a lead in Dem Person 2713 Aug 2015 #64
I agree that calling Sanders a white supremacist is idiotic. Vattel Aug 2015 #25
Interesting article on Kos today Major Nikon Aug 2015 #39
Outside Agitators 206 MinM Aug 2015 #60
sponsored by Merck & Co? MinM Aug 2015 #180
OutsideAgitators206 gets more Mercky MinM Aug 2015 #181
black lives matter is right on! captainarizona Aug 2015 #44
Uh, he already was talking about it. jeff47 Aug 2015 #84
The ignorance and stupidity of the voting public at large... ALBliberal Aug 2015 #46
As one who was there, I really feel Lifelong Protester Aug 2015 #49
I'm sorry you were called a white supremacist. beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #67
Thanks! Lifelong Protester Aug 2015 #71
"...making common cause with the Republican caucus." moondust Aug 2015 #50
To start off, the biggest problem is she did NOT call Sanders "a WHITE SUPREMACIST LIBERAL".... George II Aug 2015 #51
K & R AzDar Aug 2015 #52
Kicked! GP6971 Aug 2015 #53
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2015 #62
Mission Accomplished RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #63
which is why it is so hard to attack Republicans... icarusxat Aug 2015 #140
Will you be self deleting this thread? zappaman Aug 2015 #72
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #73
Not suprised there are Marissa Janae Johnson (republicon) lovers on DU. Sad and pathetic. L0oniX Aug 2015 #75
They don't want to argue about Bernie's stance on issues so... jalan48 Aug 2015 #76
We used to ban people who supported Republicans. DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2015 #116
I am choosing to believe they are paid disruptors Skittles Aug 2015 #87
I'll say it again. White Supremacists are fundamentalist Christians who consider Cleita Aug 2015 #93
Actually, the Dixiecats weren't "Liberal" in any sense of the word.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #94
right, fair enough... gobears10 Aug 2015 #98
Actually, the Democrats as a whole were popular with the working class in general since FDR.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #101
She was spouting Rush Limbaugh/Hannity/Rove rhetoric which now that we know sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #99
What did she say? George II Aug 2015 #124
"She was spouting Rush Limbaugh/Hannity/Rove rhetoric" George II Aug 2015 #182
Kick and R BeanMusical Aug 2015 #100
"conservative regressive" aka reactionary Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #102
K n R! flamingdem Aug 2015 #103
Preach it! NaturalHigh Aug 2015 #107
Well done boatsnhose Aug 2015 #118
The strange thing is that DEMOCRATIC underground seems to be one of the hotbeds Doctor_J Aug 2015 #120
Please don't call her a "terrorist." Maedhros Aug 2015 #125
So it may seem Wash. state Desk Jet Aug 2015 #136
Not all that strange, really. It's been a hotbed of support for RW economic terrorists Zorra Aug 2015 #138
"The problem with Sanders’, and with white Seattle progressives in general," KamaAina Aug 2015 #128
likely the only thing I will ever say about this event.... mike_c Aug 2015 #131
Bernie Sanders is politically astute. He can fight his battles. The last time I check we live in a Farmbrook Aug 2015 #141
Doesn't surprise me. DU has always been slow to eject agent provocateurs. robertpaulsen Aug 2015 #145
Cuz this guy is awesome libodem Aug 2015 #146
I don't know what they are HassleCat Aug 2015 #152
So the Bernie PUD's have done nothing but call people names and label them: R B Garr Aug 2015 #159
This POC ... yuiyoshida Aug 2015 #160
Here's a shocker... Raymond82 Aug 2015 #161
These are the actions of a shill, imthevicar Aug 2015 #162
I'll remember that... bobclark86 Aug 2015 #164
It wasn't BLM kenfrequed Aug 2015 #167
It wasn't BLM?! Old Crow Aug 2015 #171
Why do research at all? kenfrequed Aug 2015 #174
Thanks, but I already read that article. Old Crow Aug 2015 #175
Shameful, isn't it? sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #176
Hey gbears10!!! choie Aug 2015 #178
RECREATE 68 MinM Aug 2015 #184
Kick. nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #185
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