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69. I agree.. Sanders' meaning is distorted in the OP.

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Remember when Bernie said social justice must wait for economic justice? [View all] boston bean Sep 2015 OP

I think bernie has "evolved" on this. leftofcool Sep 2015 #1

yeah, it is OK for Sanders to evolve but riversedge Sep 2015 #15

It took Hillary a lot longer to crawl out of the primordial soup... Human101948 Sep 2015 #84

moving the goal posts once again I see. riversedge Sep 2015 #89

Get your eyes checked... Human101948 Sep 2015 #92

You're comparing a kid pleasing her father with a guy who first tried to qualify as a MADem Sep 2015 #142

So time before evolving is a factor now!?!!?!? wow... uponit7771 Sep 2015 #208

So any ideas on how to solve the stand alone racism issue? jalan48 Sep 2015 #134

Bernie is the only one talking about it. Really? sheshe2 Sep 2015 #203

Thanks for the response and the links. jalan48 Sep 2015 #213

K&R! stonecutter357 Sep 2015 #2

I sure don't and none of your body says any such thing either just your phony headline. TheKentuckian Sep 2015 #3

You are right, it might be to kind... he said it wasn't important. nt boston bean Sep 2015 #5

He did not say social justice was not important. thesquanderer Sep 2015 #133

Also a willful fabrication that is nowhere to be found. TheKentuckian Sep 2015 #171

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Just leave. sibelian Sep 2015 #4

How dare the OP bother "us" with some inconvenient facts! DU is supposed to be an DanTex Sep 2015 #10

It's not "inconvenient" it's just blatant misinterpretation. sibelian Sep 2015 #28

It seems like a pretty straightforward reading of Bernie's statement to me. DanTex Sep 2015 #34

Misleading headline =? inconvenient facts HERVEPA Sep 2015 #155

Translation: I am a bernie supporter so I will pretend bernie did not say this. leftofcool Sep 2015 #13

Oh he said it all right... sibelian Sep 2015 #23

Exactly. tecelote Sep 2015 #60

I agree.. Sanders' meaning is distorted in the OP. pangaia Sep 2015 #69

When you say it's a "first step", you are confirming exactly what the OP said. DanTex Sep 2015 #76

The opposite. tecelote Sep 2015 #80

Racial profiling, for example. DanTex Sep 2015 #82

The prison industrial complex loves racial profiling for economic reasons. tecelote Sep 2015 #87

Sure, there are some links, but they are not "integral" to each other. DanTex Sep 2015 #90

It is not Either/Or Armstead Sep 2015 #88

Yes, you can do both at the same time. Or you can prioritize one of the other, like Bernie does. DanTex Sep 2015 #91

There are many cited instances where successful African-Americans were racially profiled. olegramps Sep 2015 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #108

It's not a cure, just a step in the right direction. tecelote Sep 2015 #147

I would argue the part where working class whites... Anansi1171 Sep 2015 #161

Then I wonder why Bernie was fighting against segregation while Hillary was supporting Goldwater... cascadiance Sep 2015 #109

Yes, he marched with MLK. We know that. DanTex Sep 2015 #111

And MLK ALSO believed that economic justice issues were important issues to solve... cascadiance Sep 2015 #119

"corporate bought Democrats ... offend their paymasters". Be serious. DanTex Sep 2015 #121

I am! cascadiance Sep 2015 #122

It also won't end hatred in the minds of racists and bigots. Volaris Sep 2015 #123

Yes. Higher education is very important and is definitely an economic and social issue tecelote Sep 2015 #148

Not only that, "since I am a bernie supporter I don't have to worry about a hide on a personal stevenleser Sep 2015 #165

Poor, persecuted Steven. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2015 #193

Always. nt. polly7 Sep 2015 #195

Nope, feel sorry for the 21 folks who received timeouts unfairly. Not me. stevenleser Sep 2015 #197

Results... Major Nikon Sep 2015 #46

Yep. I guarantee you if I post that exact post to a Bernie supporter I will get a 6-1 to HIDE. stevenleser Sep 2015 #166

Making a statement that the "OP should leave" is not very Democratic still_one Sep 2015 #71

You first. n/t JTFrog Sep 2015 #93

He did leave, went to Discussionist made quite a few negative statements about DU and DUers. No seaglass Sep 2015 #106

Yea... there are a shitload of hypocritical jerks spewing crap here lately. JTFrog Sep 2015 #113

And before OET, there was Progressive Independent I think it was called. I don't care either except seaglass Sep 2015 #125

My point exactly. JTFrog Sep 2015 #127

They have their own playpen full of zoo filth to wallow in hifiguy Sep 2015 #204

Distort much? Scuba Sep 2015 #6

Yup. And it's obvious that what he really cares about are economic issues. DanTex Sep 2015 #7

That would be the point... boston bean Sep 2015 #8

But the point is also that he also cares about social justice issues too! cascadiance Sep 2015 #116

Economic issues are social issues Armstead Sep 2015 #30

No, economic issues are economic issues, and social issues are social issues. DanTex Sep 2015 #38

Okay whatever. You seem to prefer neat little boxes. Kind of an OCD thing Armstead Sep 2015 #45

Another personal attack, huh. Y'all are getting a little touchy these days. What's that about? DanTex Sep 2015 #49

Dan your arguments all seem to be bsed on simplistic labeling and non-answers Armstead Sep 2015 #52

Try to rise above the ad hominem and discuss the substance. It might be tempting to DanTex Sep 2015 #54

My post was calm and impersonal Armstead Sep 2015 #58

The one where you called me OCD? Or the one where you compared me to Rush? DanTex Sep 2015 #64

The one where I said this Armstead Sep 2015 #65

Oh, the one before the two personal attacks. Yes, that was not a personal attack. One out of three DanTex Sep 2015 #73

"That's a legitimate viewpoint, but it's not shared by everyone. " Armstead Sep 2015 #86

I've always said that Bernie's viewpoint is legitimate, and that economic injustice is a worthy DanTex Sep 2015 #94

They are his prioity. Armstead Sep 2015 #99

First of all, Bernie is the one who brands himself a socialist. And then, for some reason, people DanTex Sep 2015 #104

I am not saying any one side is blameless or guilty of such things Armstead Sep 2015 #112

I agree, he no longer says anything about nationalizing the means of production. DanTex Sep 2015 #120

I think you need to provide us links to what many here would call fallacious assertions... cascadiance Sep 2015 #132

Yep, and no worries about an alert. A Hillary supporter posting that would get a 6-1 hide. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #163

+1 uponit7771 Sep 2015 #209

Yep. Trickle down from the left. nt DURHAM D Sep 2015 #9

As Eliz Warren stated a few days ago--that does not work. riversedge Sep 2015 #31

Project much? Armstead Sep 2015 #32

You'd probably get a better audience for this nonsense Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #11

You mean boston bean Sep 2015 #12

It bothers me. nt Live and Learn Sep 2015 #110

Too bad so sad... Nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #198

How old are you? You looked a lot older on tv but from your posts, I have to say Live and Learn Sep 2015 #212

How's the fishing, Boston Bean? Scootaloo Sep 2015 #14

I haven't fished in years. Does posting an NPR interview distress you. boston bean Sep 2015 #16

Not unless you count a rolling of the eyes to be "distress." Scootaloo Sep 2015 #17

It's bernies own words. I can't imagine what I might have done to cause boston bean Sep 2015 #19

Your headline isn't, though it claims to be Scootaloo Sep 2015 #26

It was being kind, cause as you can plainly see he says it's "not important". boston bean Sep 2015 #27

If that is what he said, you wouldn't have to distort what he said. Scootaloo Sep 2015 #33

Do you give this advice to everyone? nt boston bean Sep 2015 #36

I have no interest in further discourse with you, Boston Bean Scootaloo Sep 2015 #40

No worries. She can hang out with her friends at hillarysupporters.com and trash us from there. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2015 #194

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LOL.. it's an interview... you know where Bernie is asked a question and he answers? nt boston bean Sep 2015 #21

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Ok, so in your own words, what did Bernie say? boston bean Sep 2015 #29

It's entirely in your "mind's eye." Lol. morningfog Sep 2015 #35

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It's what is misleading is the quote left out that Sanders ALSO addresses social issues Armstead Sep 2015 #95

Excellent analogy ALBliberal Sep 2015 #157

Blink blink blink Phlem Sep 2015 #158

No, I'm sure you did it right. cyberswede Sep 2015 #164

Great post Gothmog Sep 2015 #22

Too bad HRC provides neither economic nor social justice Android3.14 Sep 2015 #24

Bingo! MissDeeds Sep 2015 #39

You obviously have not keep up with her proposals. riversedge Sep 2015 #68

Her proposals are the political equivalent of vaporware Android3.14 Sep 2015 #77

^This is an example of a strong criticism of a candidate.^ (Not Bashing) U of M Dem Sep 2015 #146

Ding ding ding, we have a winner! jfern Sep 2015 #186

Hillary killed Abe Lincoln!!!!! :rolleyes: uponit7771 Sep 2015 #210

Why post crap that is just flame bait? lonestarnot Sep 2015 #37

I happen to agree with everything Sanders said. mhatrw Sep 2015 #41

Should well off people vote their pocketbook? 6chars Sep 2015 #56

What does that matter? In a true democracy, they are the rounding error. n/t mhatrw Sep 2015 #178

not necessarily 6chars Sep 2015 #180

That is the biggest crock of PR crap ever foisted on our citizenry. mhatrw Sep 2015 #185

do you want an argument? 6chars Sep 2015 #196

I'm glad you posted this, and I will give you a civil response Armstead Sep 2015 #42

There it is! haikugal Sep 2015 #75

I like this response Armstead. MuseRider Sep 2015 #131

Only to add educational "justice". An educated population tends to be less prejudiced ALBliberal Sep 2015 #160

Hear, hear Armstead dorkzilla Sep 2015 #150

I see our cave dwellers have arrived. Android3.14 Sep 2015 #43

And I am sure most of the responses are either spinning or gaslighting... stevenleser Sep 2015 #44

Yeah that's called discussion Armstead Sep 2015 #55

No, defense mechanisms and manipulation are not discussion. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #57

"What he really meant" is not a defense mechanism or manipulation Armstead Sep 2015 #63

That's manipulation in this context. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #66

No a very short excerpt from one interview in answer to a specific question..... Armstead Sep 2015 #74

Thank you, First Way BB, I've bean waiting for this. betsuni Sep 2015 #47

Why is this a controversy for Hillary supporters? earthside Sep 2015 #50

In a last ditch effort to beat Obama, after she had clearly lost, she engaged in race based attacks Fearless Sep 2015 #61

Funny, I don't see either the words TM99 Sep 2015 #51

I've got a great idea, instead of working on the tons of problems we have.... daleanime Sep 2015 #53

You parsed two paragraps together with bold that suggests something that he didn't say. Fearless Sep 2015 #59

intentionally distorting the truth is the only way that they can attack him virtualobserver Sep 2015 #128

It really was a terrible attack. Fearless Sep 2015 #172

these weird deliberate interpretations that they post show the win at all costs mentality..... virtualobserver Sep 2015 #173

Because he's not running for himself Fearless Sep 2015 #192

No. Civil rights activist since 60s. Gay rights advocate since 70s. HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #62

Wel someone has to write the spin and cover for Hillary's water carrying for the billionaires. Todays_Illusion Sep 2015 #67

Yikes Deny and Shred Sep 2015 #70

Funny I'm not seeing him say it there either JackInGreen Sep 2015 #72

You SHOULDN'T base your politics on color, OR gender. Bonobo Sep 2015 #78

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I would have worded it differently... ljm2002 Sep 2015 #81

Great explanation Armstead Sep 2015 #115

I'm voting for Bernie Sanders n/t whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #83

Clinton or Sanders....I miss Senator Elizabeth Warren for POTUS 2016. Stellar Sep 2015 #85

She'd be attacked and distorted as much as Sanders has been if she ran Armstead Sep 2015 #103

Ugh!....That is what elections are all about these days. Stellar Sep 2015 #117

This part of your OP makes sense - TBF Sep 2015 #96

Trying to stir the racist stuff...again? SoapBox Sep 2015 #97

Trying to make this a wedge-issue, to divide Democrats is wrong-headed. 99th_Monkey Sep 2015 #98

Billionaire class not economic justice smilingwen Sep 2015 #101

Except he said no such thing ibegurpard Sep 2015 #102

Equality of opportunity regardless of race is your gotcha? Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #105

It’s all they got, Ed. dorkzilla Sep 2015 #137

He's right. pinebox Sep 2015 #107

I don't think he ever said that tularetom Sep 2015 #114

Completely and enthusiastically unrecommended. Enthusiast Sep 2015 #118

Perhaps it would be more helpful if you just explained exactly what you think the platform should be Live and Learn Sep 2015 #124

No I don't remember that statement from Bernie. DrBulldog Sep 2015 #126

No I don't. Please cite a quote where he says what you are claiming he said and suggesting we Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #129

Bernie's platform on economic justice is the best we've had from any Democratic candidate in PatrickforO Sep 2015 #130

Some people invoke black people to exhort them to be stronger, smarter. Some just to use them. jtuck004 Sep 2015 #135

Some people think minorities artislife Sep 2015 #144

Most of the supporters that are worth a crap for any candidate will make this election about jtuck004 Sep 2015 #168

The history of the DLC from the Council on Foreign Relation ---------------------- turbinetree Sep 2015 #136

Here is a quote from Hillary that I remember clearly and I will quote her exactly as well as the Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #138

If the Republicans nominate Tim Scott, should black men vote for him over Hillary Clinton? Jim Lane Sep 2015 #139

Why do conservatives lie to support their positions? frylock Sep 2015 #140

K & R SunSeeker Sep 2015 #141

Bernie Sanders has never even implied that AgingAmerican Sep 2015 #143

This is an excellent... AlbertCat Sep 2015 #145

I'm willing to accept that the BLM movement had a positive impact in Baitball Blogger Sep 2015 #149

Another hot thread with 150 replies, only 18 recs. Ed Suspicious Sep 2015 #151

We have been working on racial justice for a long time, and ignoring economic justice. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #152

I don't see "social justice must wait for economic justice" cyberswede Sep 2015 #153

why do they always pull this? they make a claim and then everyone points out their own sources MisterP Sep 2015 #156

I find it hard to get past HRC's remark to BLM a few weeks ago about going to talk ALBliberal Sep 2015 #154

What a load. Unrec. Phlem Sep 2015 #159

You would prefer he say something racist instead of something inclusive? MindfulOne Sep 2015 #162

I'll sign that right along witth you. William769 Sep 2015 #167

K&R. I remember. I posted that same interview, and was flemed for it lunamagica Sep 2015 #169

Could you quote the part of the interview that actually backs up your headline? jeff47 Sep 2015 #170

Sen. Bernie Sanders On How Democrats Lost White Voters MADem Sep 2015 #174

The headline claims that social justice must be secondary. The quote doesn't say that. jeff47 Sep 2015 #175

Sanders doesn't address social justice at all and his words say that color doesn't matter. MADem Sep 2015 #181

And if the headline was "Sanders didn't address social justice" I wouldn't be asking. jeff47 Sep 2015 #182

The headline whinges about WHITE VOTES. The optics are poor. MADem Sep 2015 #184

And optics are the only important thing. jeff47 Sep 2015 #191

You didn't bother to read the link I helpfully provided, I see. MADem Sep 2015 #199

If you want to call her something other than what she goes by jeff47 Sep 2015 #200

But she DOES "go by" that--and she answers to it, too. MADem Sep 2015 #201

That was the headline and article writer Armstead Sep 2015 #177

The complaint had to do with the OP characterization. Was it, or was it not, KINDER than the NPR MADem Sep 2015 #179

Haha, what bullshit... MellowDem Sep 2015 #176

It's impressive how people respond to your bait. GeorgeGist Sep 2015 #183

I can't believe that anyone would think economic equality wouldn't benefit polly7 Sep 2015 #187

It's complete bullshit. Phlem Sep 2015 #188

It IS bullshit ........... and it's unbelievably transparent and stupid. nt. polly7 Sep 2015 #190

If you have to twist his words to make a point, you don't have a point. AtomicKitten Sep 2015 #189

Why not focus on both? Jamaal510 Sep 2015 #202

Interesting and thought-provoking post, Jamaal. And alot of other AAs have said very similar things Number23 Sep 2015 #207

Why don't you stay in your own foul playpen? hifiguy Sep 2015 #205

Results of Jury Service LiberalElite Sep 2015 #206

Posting Sanders own words and evolution on the matter isn't trolling. Blacks on DU has said what uponit7771 Sep 2015 #211

Do not believe the lies! senz Sep 2015 #214