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2016 Postmortem

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wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
Thu Oct 15, 2015, 06:22 AM Oct 2015

Yes, Bernie Won Every Poll On the Internet. Hillary Still Won the Debate. [View all]

Shortly after the first Democratic primary debate ended, I took to the pages of Slate to share what I saw on the CNN stage: Hillary Clinton had won. “Instead of turning in the safe and solid performance she needed,” I wrote, “Clinton was closer to spectacular on Tuesday night.”

It didn’t take long for the dissenting opinions to come pouring into by inbox... several of the messages did pose a question worth addressing: How was it possible that I could declare Hillary Clinton the winner of the debate at nearly the same time so many Slate readers were casting their votes in our online poll for Bernie Sanders?

So, what gives? Were my fellow journalists and I watching a different debate than everyone else?


Let me start with the polls. As I explained after the first GOP debate when there was a similar difference in opinion between the chattering class and online respondents, instant online polls are informal and unscientific. The results rely on a self-selecting group of respondents with no regards to political affiliation, age, country, or even whether the person doing the responding actually watched the debate. Respondents, meanwhile, don’t have even the slightest motivation to be objective; it’s hard to imagine a Hillary supporter casting an online vote for Bernie or vice versa, regardless of what they saw on stage. Like tracking new Twitter followers or Google searches, the online surveys provide an interesting snapshot of the mood of a particular slice of the Internet, but they’re mostly for entertainment (for the reader) and traffic (for the outlet). No one should mistake them for the scientific surveys done by professional pollsters.

They also tend to favor those candidates with active and impassioned fans—something that Bernie’s fundraising numbers and campaign crowds suggest he clearly has in spades. When Slate and a number of other established media outlets declared Hillary the winner, we gave that same fan base—which has long felt, not unjustifiably, that their man’s not getting a fair shake in the media—one more reason to reload the page and vote again. In online polls, like elections, it’s all about turnout. In online polls, unlike elections, you can vote as many times as you want.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/10/14/bernie_won_polls_not_the_debate_hillary_won_the_debate.html

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Wrong. Bernie won. Here's why. JDPriestly Oct 2015 #1
Wrong. Bernie lost. Here's why. wyldwolf Oct 2015 #2
Thaaaat's just a link to this OP, wyldwolf. sibelian Oct 2015 #5
And his link was just biased DUer's opinion wyldwolf Oct 2015 #6
And yours is what? sibelian Oct 2015 #8
Facts on Internet polling wyldwolf Oct 2015 #11
There's no way of establishing whether self-selection obscures the real picture. sibelian Oct 2015 #13
I don't think you know what "facts" mean. n/t Dawgs Oct 2015 #23
You are a neutral observer? Get real, you are aggressively pro Clinton and long TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #21
The focus on personalities is kind of missing the whole point. stone space Oct 2015 #3
True but another big issue is... wyldwolf Oct 2015 #4
The election is a self selected poll, with its own built-in errors. stone space Oct 2015 #7
But much less so than Internet polls wyldwolf Oct 2015 #9
not in 85 to 15 madokie Oct 2015 #17
There was a poll on msnbc.com that showed 85% mythology Oct 2015 #22
That's tantamount to arguing that unless we can predict the exact temperature in 2050, DanTex Oct 2015 #10
No, not really. stone space Oct 2015 #12
Nobody uses surveys to determine who runs the country. They have actual elections for that. DanTex Oct 2015 #15
Elections ARE surveys. stone space Oct 2015 #16
Yes, that's true, but they aren't phone surveys or internet surveys. DanTex Oct 2015 #19
How many times can one person vote in an election? sufrommich Oct 2015 #25
Depends on the person, doesn't it? stone space Oct 2015 #27
Please Cosmocat Oct 2015 #34
I won. bigwillq Oct 2015 #14
Hillary was more polished I agree madokie Oct 2015 #18
I agree on all points Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #24
Counter-intuitive though it seems, they both won. Kentonio Oct 2015 #20
Good answer, and welcome to DU. ColesCountyDem Oct 2015 #26
Thanks Kentonio Oct 2015 #30
His article is half right thesquanderer Oct 2015 #28
Slate: catnhatnh Oct 2015 #29
Hillary "won" Cosmocat Oct 2015 #31
Hillary did better than expectations, but she did not win. That's nonsense. She was just average. reformist2 Oct 2015 #32
Hey, remember, Al Gore won the 3rd debate WhaTHellsgoingonhere Oct 2015 #33
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