2016 Postmortem

JTShroyer

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13. As a gay man myself:

Mon Oct 19, 2015, 08:45 PM

Oct 2015

I care more about ACTION.

Hillary Clinton declared in her historic speech on the world stage, “Gay rights are human rights." In this speech, Hillary outlines what she did for LGBTQ people around the world. Her work as Secretary of State has made it safer to be LGBTQ in a world of so much hate. Hillary, you are my champion. Maybe she took a convenient political position on gay marriage back in the early 2000s to play the political game [something Bernie fans love to obsess about]. But at the end of the day, Hillary HAS done so much good for LGBTQ people by playing and winning the game of politics. Has Bernie done anything for the gay community that even comes close to what Hillary did for the gay community as Secretary of State? Words vs. Results. PS: If you defended Barack Obama or Joe Biden when they evolved on gay marriage, you are a sexist hypocrite. Go Hillary!!

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Hey millennials: is Hillary Clinton Authentic? Rodham 2016 [View all] JTShroyer Oct 2015 OP

Not buying it. HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #1

I do not mind her changing positions at all, as long as she is learning that the viewpoints LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #5

Bernie flip-flopped on guns JTShroyer Oct 2015 #12

I have no problem with that as he was voting on how his people wanted him to as LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #17

Well... JTShroyer Oct 2015 #20

Except Bernie has been pro-gun control since at least 1994 when he voted for an assault weapons ban. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #25

Look I that there isn't a person on DU who would vote for a person who does not have a LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #33

He's far more progressive than Hillary. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #34

Funny... JTShroyer Oct 2015 #50

If you had touted her accomplishments without smearing Bernie I would have stayed out of your thread beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #52

Uhhh... JTShroyer Oct 2015 #61

Repeating the memes over and over doesn't make them true you know. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #63

Stop spamming me with irrelevant bias articles: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #66

Hillary's own words about guns are "irrelevant bias articles"? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #70

LOL JTShroyer Oct 2015 #72

You are woefully ignorant about Bernie and Vermont and you think I'm not paying attention? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #76

Bernie did what was best for his constituents and PRETENDED to be pro-gun for POLITICAL REASONS: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #78

Those articles are less biased than your fawning op. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #82

Give it up. TM99 Oct 2015 #83

Bernie Sanders, Gun Nut: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #115

Ah the reply of campaign operative. TM99 Oct 2015 #137

It isn't a meme JTShroyer Oct 2015 #138

It is a meme. TM99 Oct 2015 #139

Just because you personally don't agree with a meme JTShroyer Oct 2015 #162

Ray Thornton? Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #38

This was 1993.. But here is the govtrack where I saw it. Thank God I did not delete my cache. LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #39

It looks like the state's entire Congressional delegation voted Nay Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #40

I think all the rural voted against it. Even Olympia Snow. It looked like a rural vs city vote LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #41

I'm not familiar with all the Congressional districts, Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #42

I looked at the national vote and you could see it pretty easy. LiberalArkie Oct 2015 #43

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #148

What I'm "not buying" cheapdate Oct 2015 #37

What I meant by comparing the two... HerbChestnut Oct 2015 #47

Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are two very different kinds of politicians. cheapdate Oct 2015 #136

HRC has a lengthy record we can research Cassiopeia Oct 2015 #2

The latter part. She's doing a lot of pandering Stanley British Oct 2015 #7

ah, a new Sander support already has learned the overused vocabulary word 'pandering" well done- riversedge Oct 2015 #27

Who said I was a Sanders supporter? Stanley British Oct 2015 #31

Based on this post, it's not an unreasonable assumption: ColesCountyDem Oct 2015 #97

It's a website that has been referenced a lot and has full of useful information, so I thought I'd Stanley British Oct 2015 #98

That's cool. I was just explaining how someone mght have thought you supported Sen. Sanders. ColesCountyDem Oct 2015 #101

She most certainly panders. 840high Oct 2015 #46

She's been on both sides of so many issues, all you have to do is edit the history Android3.14 Oct 2015 #3

I disagree JTShroyer Oct 2015 #6

NAFTA FreakinDJ Oct 2015 #77

Working within the context and culture of the 1990s is apples and oranges compared to today. JTShroyer Oct 2015 #81

A few of her biggest criticisms addressed: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #4

I think you posted the wrong video, Here, fixed it for you: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #10

As a gay man myself: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #13

Action? Like when Hillary lobbied for DOMA and Bernie voted against it? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #14

Wow JTShroyer Oct 2015 #18

I know her "complete record", and so does everyone else: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #22

LOL JTShroyer Oct 2015 #54

Stop ignoring the fact that she opposed their civil rights in this country. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #55

Did you defend Barack Obama or Joe Biden JTShroyer Oct 2015 #62

Nope. I'm consistent when it comes to civil rights, too bad you can't say the same. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #68

Get over it JTShroyer Oct 2015 #71

I have gotten over it but her civil rights record is only one of the reasons I don't support her. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #75

Her Iraq war vote is misunderstood JTShroyer Oct 2015 #79

Bernie knew better than to trust Bush and Cheney and so did I. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #84

Now poor Hillary is just misunderstood. TM99 Oct 2015 #86

It's true, though JTShroyer Oct 2015 #88

Cute graphics work on Tumblr TM99 Oct 2015 #89

You aren't my boss JTShroyer Oct 2015 #91

You do not get TM99 Oct 2015 #100

Bernie "didn't ACTUALLY do anything to stop it" - that's a lie: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #90

Words again... JTShroyer Oct 2015 #92

Claiming he didn't do anything is a lie. You don't get to make up your own facts. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #94

Hillary authorized invasion as a *last* resort. Bush went to war as a *first* resort instead. JTShroyer Oct 2015 #110

Repeating a lie won't make it true. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #111

Voting against it is nice and all JTShroyer Oct 2015 #114

Knock it off, I don't "hate" her, I hate lies about my candidate. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #116

Trying to blame Hillary for Bush lying about WMDs and inspectors JTShroyer Oct 2015 #118

Strawmen, strawmen everywhere... beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #120

I already did address it? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #123

WHOOOOOOOSH! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #125

*Cough* Fawke Em Oct 2015 #117

Again with more "words" JTShroyer Oct 2015 #119

What has Hillary done other than use "words"? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #121

Not again! LOL JTShroyer Oct 2015 #122

Her words helped prevent same sex couples from getting married. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #124

Correlation =/= causation JTShroyer Oct 2015 #129

I'm not a "dude" and you can't have it both ways. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #131

Her gay rights speech and women's rights speech was JTShroyer Oct 2015 #135

Is Bernie Sanders the Most LGBT-Friendly Candidate? pinebox Oct 2015 #153

But that was in the context of the 2000s. Night and oranges compared to today. frylock Oct 2015 #149

"he hasn’t done squat for the LGBT community" beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #11

But what are his ACCOMPLISHMENTS? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #15

Did you read the articles? And what did Hillary do in addition to opposing marriage equality? beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #19

LOL JTShroyer Oct 2015 #21

And I'll just take her own words over yours: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #23

Uhh... JTShroyer Oct 2015 #24

Uhh...Watch her speech: beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #26

hahaha JTShroyer Oct 2015 #56

You're the one trying to swift boat Bernie on his civil rights record. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #58

Consistent words vs. Acomplishments JTShroyer Oct 2015 #64

One of her "Accomplishments" was denying them marriage equality here. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #65

Hillary's FULL record JTShroyer Oct 2015 #67

That's part of her record, she marched with lgbt people while opposing their rights. beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #69

Luckily JTShroyer Oct 2015 #73

Knockout, Scottie. Ace work! appalachiablue Oct 2015 #30

Thank you! beam me up scottie Oct 2015 #36

I love this exchange. Stanley British Oct 2015 #99

Honduras is less trans-friendly than Iran and Libya is overrun with throat-cutting militias MisterP Oct 2015 #35

Authentic Professional Politician whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #8

Haters have been hating since the 1990s. JTShroyer Oct 2015 #9

Im sorry, I have to I can't help it... aidbo Oct 2015 #16

Bwahahahaha. if you didn't, I would've Scootaloo Oct 2015 #45

K & R, good post Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #28

Yes Yes Yes!! JTShroyer Oct 2015 #51

Is that the "dead broke" version or the millionaire version? Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2015 #29

How about all of the above? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #53

True. Two-faced describes her more accurately. Nt HooptieWagon Oct 2015 #127

Or savvy. But those adjectives are reserved for men only JTShroyer Oct 2015 #132

Probably fighting for the women and girls in Bangladesh too - TBF Oct 2015 #32

Don't forget all the women and girls in Libya, Iraq, Honduras, etc n/t Catherina Oct 2015 #48

Here is Hillary's amazing work on behalf of women: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #57

Movies of rich folk who support her - TBF Oct 2015 #93

I guess you didn't watch the video? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #133

I really don't care what celebrities have to say TBF Oct 2015 #141

Meryl Streep JTShroyer Oct 2015 #146

Meryl Streep - net worth M $75 (75 MILLION DOLLARS) TBF Oct 2015 #151

So what? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #157

I'm glad you're so inspired by the rich folks. nt TBF Oct 2015 #158

The Clintons paid a 35.7% tax rate [40 million in total taxes] over the last 7 years. JTShroyer Oct 2015 #161

I don't doubt her commitment to the well-being of women and children. Scootaloo Oct 2015 #44

The Clintons paid a 35.7% tax rate [40 million in total taxes] over the last 7 years: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #59

Never for one moment have I thought the Clinton Foundation was set up to aid Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #96

I know A LOT of Millennials (my kids, their friends, their cousins, etc. etc.) Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #49

Sadly... JTShroyer Oct 2015 #60

Great OP. Thanks for your efforts. oasis Oct 2015 #74

Thank You!! JTShroyer Oct 2015 #80

True. oasis Oct 2015 #102

Here is video of the Rachel Maddow segment: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #109

Oh my you are a baby - TBF Oct 2015 #95

So Hillary is going to be able to "tear it up" in a Republican Congress?! Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #103

Yeah, a group she just labeled as her enemy should be quite eager to work with her. frylock Oct 2015 #152

they are a reflection of what their parents are saying at home. They really only think about kelliekat44 Oct 2015 #85

haha... JTShroyer Oct 2015 #87

Oh, the irony... winter is coming Oct 2015 #134

here is a dollar olddots Oct 2015 #104

You should probably donate that dollar to the Bernie campaign JTShroyer Oct 2015 #105

He's doing pretty well with donations from actual people - TBF Oct 2015 #145

94% of Hillary's donations JTShroyer Oct 2015 #147

Cite for that claim? nt TBF Oct 2015 #150

94% of Hillary donations $250 or less JTShroyer Oct 2015 #156

Hillary supporters sound deluded when they try to argue she is authentic. askew Oct 2015 #106

Clearly JTShroyer Oct 2015 #107

I saw all the videos where she lied askew Oct 2015 #108

Sniper fire. LMFAO! JRLeft Oct 2015 #126

Grasping at the bottom of the barrel now that the scientific polls came out? JTShroyer Oct 2015 #130

Ah, the "scientific" polls! As opposed to what other kind of polls? TBF Oct 2015 #144

Why did Bernie fans say online polls proved he won the debate JTShroyer Oct 2015 #155

What? I didn't say anything about Bernie or on-line polls. TBF Oct 2015 #159

Here is the transcript. I honestly want you to read it: JTShroyer Oct 2015 #160

Bernie supporter here but let's give Hillary her due on kids and education. jalan48 Oct 2015 #112

Thank you for giving credit where credit is due!! JTShroyer Oct 2015 #128

She has talked about women & children - TBF Oct 2015 #142

I support Bernie because of his position on the banks and other issues. jalan48 Oct 2015 #143

I agree, jalan48... JTShroyer Oct 2015 #154

Always been with children, women and families. Welfare jwirr Oct 2015 #113

She's definitely real. Warren DeMontague Oct 2015 #140