2016 Postmortem

cascadiance

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243. You can use it as a campaign issue to be an ADVOCATE of!

Mon Oct 26, 2015, 02:19 PM

Oct 2015

A big part of the rest of the world is evolving our original democratic system to try to help minorities get better representation with parliamentary representation, and in the case of Australia and some other areas, instant runoff voting.

Most other countries that have set up their governments after we set up ours recognized that the winner take all system that we have in place isn't the best solution for having real small d democracy set up in government. Thom Hartmann, probably the best voice from the progressives in this country (even if those that hijacked a progressive party like Rahm Emanuel did with the Democrats when he called us "f-ing retarded" might choose to dismiss him), has a good word about our two party system and how to deal with its flaws.

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The exodus of Bernie supporters from JJ did not go over well among Iowa Ds. [View all] JaneyVee Oct 2015 OP

Party annoyed at voters. Hissyspit Oct 2015 #1

And supporters are annoyed at "The Party" pinebox Oct 2015 #2

So was Ralph Nader. Remind me how THAT worked out for us? 66 dmhlt Oct 2015 #13

The Nader myth? pinebox Oct 2015 #21

We've heard this theory many, many, many times before that Nader didn't cause Gore the election brush Oct 2015 #79

200000 registered Florida dems SwampG8r Oct 2015 #114

Ahhh . . . he actually won Florida. He got more votes than Bush brush Oct 2015 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author SwampG8r Oct 2015 #318

You mean rigged fucking ballots and thousands of disenfranchsed voters!!!!! ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2015 #144

Here you go pinebox Oct 2015 #125

Using Nader to siphon votes was just part of the repugs strategy to win Florida brush Oct 2015 #151

The PMRC cost Gore more votes than Nader could have dreamed of. beerandjesus Oct 2015 #299

What? brush Oct 2015 #301

? beerandjesus Oct 2015 #305

I like Nader ArcticFox Oct 2015 #310

Another Naderite. Thanks for giving us Bush redstateblues Oct 2015 #158

Actually pinebox Oct 2015 #172

They are simply incapable of facing their mistakes. bvar22 Oct 2015 #257

My daughter is an expat. murielm99 Oct 2015 #316

Would you support Instant Runoff Voting, which would have eliminated a "Nader problem"?... cascadiance Oct 2015 #193

Hope those crickets didn't surprise you! beerandjesus Oct 2015 #300

No, I'm not surprised when some here would rather have more limited choices for Americans... cascadiance Oct 2015 #312

Sorry, I suppose I was more ambiguous than I meant to be.... beerandjesus Oct 2015 #313

Thank you. Sorry for misinterpreting your answer! cascadiance Oct 2015 #315

I couldn't agree with you more. beerandjesus Oct 2015 #317

Many of those supporters are probably not Democrats, so........ George II Oct 2015 #115

Just people who might join artislife Oct 2015 #155

Are they voters? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #3

Because if they can't be made to vote for Hillary... daleanime Oct 2015 #9

Because if they can't be made to support whoever the Dem nominee is... JaneyVee Oct 2015 #12

Maybe Democracy? daleanime Oct 2015 #18

Democracy is great. Not voting isn't exactly democracy in action. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #65

To paraphrase Ghandi... robbob Oct 2015 #84

So will you support the Republican nominee? if Sanders doesn't win the Dem nomination? brush Oct 2015 #82

Are you trying to make me? daleanime Oct 2015 #86

Just want to know who you will vote for in the general if Bernie doesn't get the nomination? brush Oct 2015 #101

Uh, vote for a corporate politician? daleanime Oct 2015 #113

Ya there is the problem pinebox Oct 2015 #24

That = vote for GOPer. eom BlueMTexpat Oct 2015 #92

Horseshit pinebox Oct 2015 #110

Yep, that vote is a vote for the GOP to kill Women,. and they will fucking kill Women randys1 Oct 2015 #210

So indy voters who don't vote for the nominee pinebox Oct 2015 #240

ANY Action which leads to a con in the WH, which NOT voting for the DEM would be such an randys1 Oct 2015 #311

Bullshit, a vote for a a Republican is a vote for a Republican. No other votes are added to their TheKentuckian Oct 2015 #292

I knew there was a reason to dismiss your posts off hand Sheepshank Oct 2015 #108

Right pinebox Oct 2015 #111

It's what you've been doing since you arrived Sheepshank Oct 2015 #128

You noticed that too? zappaman Oct 2015 #234

Awww someone's mad pinebox Oct 2015 #238

Supporting Republicans on this site shenmue Oct 2015 #120

Once the Primaries are over..... Sheepshank Oct 2015 #133

Yeah shenmue Oct 2015 #146

Karl Rove and company have perfected this in a rather short time. randys1 Oct 2015 #213

Thats when this site had a TOS workinclasszero Oct 2015 #171

Yeah shenmue Oct 2015 #174

I WON'T! I WON'T! I WON'T! I WON'T! zappaman Oct 2015 #233

Sorry "OK" guy pinebox Oct 2015 #239

ok. zappaman Oct 2015 #241

It's ok really pinebox Oct 2015 #242

Alright. zappaman Oct 2015 #244

I'm kind of creeped out by your pictures of pouting little girls. grasswire Oct 2015 #279

Yes. zappaman Oct 2015 #280

"made to"...Jeeze that's a great attitude Armstead Oct 2015 #36

I was using the same words as post I responded to. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #67

You're right. My bad. A cheap shot based on a misrerading. Apologies Armstead Oct 2015 #71

made to support? How AUTHORITARIAN of you. They have to earn my vote. Vincardog Oct 2015 #273

The Sanders campaign isn't interested in expanding the voter rolls - they don't even... George II Oct 2015 #118

Yes they do AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #147

I know a lot about him. It was noted here by a SANDERS supporter that... George II Oct 2015 #186

The DNC is ignoring him, yes AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #195

PEOPLE can hand out registration forms, not just the CORRUPTED DNC!!! cascadiance Oct 2015 #203

Thats because Bernie don't want no democrats workinclasszero Oct 2015 #173

So, did you hate FDR for speaking out against "economic royalists" of his time? cascadiance Oct 2015 #212

When FDR did this workinclasszero Oct 2015 #228

In his day, the party wasn't owned by the "economic royalists" that own it today! cascadiance Oct 2015 #232

Explain this to me please...I'm kinda slow workinclasszero Oct 2015 #236

If he's trying not to get in the way of people that don't want Republicans elected, it IS the way... cascadiance Oct 2015 #259

Bernie voting against the Brady bill workinclasszero Oct 2015 #267

If the NRA liked that ONE bill vote then why did they give him a D- rating? Explain THAT!!! cascadiance Oct 2015 #268

Why change the subject workinclasszero Oct 2015 #269

I didn't. You took one bill vote out of context... cascadiance Oct 2015 #270

That's pretty rich, given how quick the Hillary crowd is beerandjesus Oct 2015 #303

Hillary was a "Repuublican" okasha Oct 2015 #283

I was talking about Bernie, and so were you... And he NEVER was a Republican!!! cascadiance Oct 2015 #284

You're the one popping a blood vessel okasha Oct 2015 #285

I'm just responding to the SMEARS that Hillary are making against Bernie... cascadiance Oct 2015 #286

"the SMEARS that Hillary are making" okasha Oct 2015 #288

They're not reliable voters and don't give a shit about the party. Metric System Oct 2015 #4

Sure. Right. Hissyspit Oct 2015 #5

Hm, you skipped right over #4: George II Oct 2015 #127

They didn't want to hear her lies. JRLeft Oct 2015 #139

Um, because it's already in the OP? Hissyspit Oct 2015 #141

I'm a very reliable voter whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #11

........ daleanime Oct 2015 #20

BOOM! LettuceSea Oct 2015 #22

Sha-Ca-Laca. Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #69

Same here! Plucketeer Oct 2015 #83

Why should we? The party doesn't seem to give a shit about us. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #97

^ This, the party is owned by the oligarchs. JRLeft Oct 2015 #100

The party, are you talking about the Green party? Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #154

I guess all other third parties are owned by a system without Instant Runoff Voting... cascadiance Oct 2015 #214

Neither does Bernie workinclasszero Oct 2015 #175

You know what? Bernie even cares about YOU Demeter Oct 2015 #181

He cares about democracy n/t whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #187

Not reliable? pinebox Oct 2015 #25

They're not reliable voters and don't give a shit about the party. AlbertCat Oct 2015 #27

Voters aren't supposed to care about the party. Kentonio Oct 2015 #35

Absolutely correct! d_legendary1 Oct 2015 #126

They should stop being cheerleaders as if this is a football game... cascadiance Oct 2015 #217

Like "the party" isn't supposed to reach out and give them positive reasons to support it? Armstead Oct 2015 #44

if the USA had 20 or even 30 parties, one will never find that elusive perfect alignment... Sheepshank Oct 2015 #122

Why don't you push hard for them to put in place Instant Runoff Voting then? cascadiance Oct 2015 #220

I'm advocating playing within the existing Constitutionally defined election rules Sheepshank Oct 2015 #224

You can use it as a campaign issue to be an ADVOCATE of! cascadiance Oct 2015 #243

You've been up and down this thread advocating the same meme over and over Sheepshank Oct 2015 #247

Why don't you clarify what the meme is, or did you even take debate 101 class in high school... cascadiance Oct 2015 #261

Why should they? The party doesn't give a shit about them. CharlotteVale Oct 2015 #95

Exactly - only fools keep doing the same thing hoping for change. polichick Oct 2015 #227

We care about the issues, not the "party" Ned_Devine Oct 2015 #103

Well their standarbearer didn't until April 30 of this year. George II Oct 2015 #119

The second part is what makes them powerful - just gotta work on that first part... polichick Oct 2015 #226

"Party" is made up of voters MohRokTah Oct 2015 #54

Sanders? Hissyspit Oct 2015 #58

The same thing as his stupid followers at the dinner. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #62

I'm having a real hard time working up outrage over this. Hissyspit Oct 2015 #96

Neither Hillary nor O'Malley left MohRokTah Oct 2015 #106

spin, spin, and more spin. ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2015 #149

Sanders screwed up. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #160

When he screws up HE is the first to admit it. And he has. ChairmanAgnostic Oct 2015 #201

This is about the dumbest AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #153

results of your jury service Matariki Oct 2015 #281

Good Lord!!! MohRokTah Oct 2015 #282

who will you vote for if Bernie is the nominee? virtualobserver Oct 2015 #156

Read my sig. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #162

I read it.....so you won't be voting for the Democratic nominee if Bernie wins virtualobserver Oct 2015 #166

If Sanders wins, there will be NO Democratic nominee. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #170

but if he does win.....you'll say...to hell with the party virtualobserver Oct 2015 #176

No, The PArty will not have nominated a Democrat. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #178

everything is conjecture at this point.... virtualobserver Oct 2015 #184

There is one thing that is not conjecture. MohRokTah Oct 2015 #204

so it is about labels, not policy virtualobserver Oct 2015 #207

Please reconsider ConservativeDemocrat Oct 2015 #271

Nope, wouldn't vote for the guy for Dog Catcher. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #272

And if he picks a Democrat as his VP, then you WOULD be NOT supporting the party!!! cascadiance Oct 2015 #221

Translation: He isn't right wing enough AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #209

I think conservadems are much more likely to bailout on Bernie than Bernie supporters on Hillary so betterdemsonly Oct 2015 #293

The radical leftists extremists will sit out 2016 just like they did 2010 MohRokTah Oct 2015 #295

Oh so Obama voters are radical extremists huh, and they are Nader voters betterdemsonly Oct 2015 #296

I seriously doubt if anything other than a small minority of Sanders supporters voted Obama. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #297

Yet Obama voters are the ones who didn't show up in 2010 and 2014. Sanders wasn't runnin! n/t betterdemsonly Oct 2015 #298

It as the radical extremist leftists. They didn't get their pony, so they sat it out. eom MohRokTah Oct 2015 #302

Obama voters were radical extreme leftist, or how did they sit out? betterdemsonly Oct 2015 #307

Yeah, people who bitch about the privileged and then act privileged to ignore the perspectives Aunt Bold Ire8 Oct 2015 #230

Perhaps to prevent hearing the proud Democrat give her speech and find she has an agenda to help Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #6

Very "open minded" of them because they "care about the issues". JaneyVee Oct 2015 #10

How about catching the bus zalinda Oct 2015 #33

If Sanders could pay for a plane to fly over the Clinton rally... brooklynite Oct 2015 #43

Aw, who scheduled the bus, maybe the same who purchased tickets. Thinkingabout Oct 2015 #63

We have chartered buses for Football and Soccer games.... Sheepshank Oct 2015 #143

Exactly mcar Oct 2015 #219

He didn't pay for the plane zalinda Oct 2015 #64

LOL good point! workinclasszero Oct 2015 #180

Who set up that event? Why was it running an hour late? Baitball Blogger Oct 2015 #75

Have you ever been to an event like that? They NEVER finish on time. George II Oct 2015 #140

O'Malley's people and Clinton's people didn't have problems with buses. George II Oct 2015 #131

The angry Bernsters are damaging their candidate. DCBob Oct 2015 #7

Such a hoot whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #17

Its a hoot you dont realize you need to convert Hillary supporters to win. DCBob Oct 2015 #26

So in the same breath, you're bagging Bernie supporters en mass whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #40

I wouldnt have walked out when Bernie spoke. DCBob Oct 2015 #46

Guess we'll just have to take your word for that, DCbob n/t whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #51

And that's the point they just don't seem to get. JoePhilly Oct 2015 #74

They trash the party, trash the leading candidate, trash her endorsements, trash her supporters.. DCBob Oct 2015 #93

And ... JoePhilly Oct 2015 #109

Yes, holding our elected representatives accountable whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #137

A winning strategy for sure workinclasszero Oct 2015 #205

Says the pot to the kettle whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #132

The problem with your theory is that Hillary can win the primary without ... JoePhilly Oct 2015 #165

I see whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #182

You can complain all you want ... JoePhilly Oct 2015 #191

Please don't cry whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #199

Why do you think I care who is influenced by DU? JoePhilly Oct 2015 #235

Drama of MY posts? whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #245

Except I did not say any of that. JoePhilly Oct 2015 #246

Well, the classy move would be to lead by example whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #248

I did not smear anyone, and certainly not with "impunity". JoePhilly Oct 2015 #249

I've seen plenty of your whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #250

I tend to reply "in kind" ... JoePhilly Oct 2015 #255

You've stated no actual facts that I recognize whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #258

The hypocrisy from Hillary supporters is thick in this thread AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #161

Good luck winning the primary. JoePhilly Oct 2015 #164

Maybe if you hurl more insults AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #197

I was told Hillary supporters have the luxury of ignoring their own advice because they're winning whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #200

The angry Bernsters AlbertCat Oct 2015 #34

Ok.. how about "bored rude Bernsters"? DCBob Oct 2015 #49

Were they bored? Were they rude? AlbertCat Oct 2015 #57

They didn't gush at the alter of Hillary AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #206

Or maybe they had to catch a bus! nt tblue37 Oct 2015 #90

that's just made up stuff to try and find a valid excuse where one really doesn't exist Sheepshank Oct 2015 #189

So if Bernie was the last one to speak would they also have left en masse as he got up to speak.. DCBob Oct 2015 #266

Thread winner MissDeeds Oct 2015 #148

Of those awful Bernsters. No reason at all they should be angry. Armstead Oct 2015 #59

Yes. I agree we should be angry but.. DCBob Oct 2015 #78

As I said above, it's not monlithic Armstead Oct 2015 #94

Thanks for this thoughtful post. DCBob Oct 2015 #98

Thanks to you Armstead Oct 2015 #152

Hear hear! Art_from_Ark Oct 2015 #112

I too, am angered by the monopolies and "leveraged buyouts" that steal from citizens. SharonAnn Oct 2015 #167

Over and over again....It always baffled me why we didn't stand up to it Armstead Oct 2015 #179

You are the angry ones AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #157

I think the Iowa voters MuseRider Oct 2015 #8

The party stuff is getting old. I prefer to vote for people LettuceSea Oct 2015 #14

"Vote for people". Like Republicans? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #16

Terrible to vote for a person over an organization, right? LettuceSea Oct 2015 #19

In the democratic primaries you are literally voting sufrommich Oct 2015 #29

Not when the party is pushing zalinda Oct 2015 #39

Okay, you're right about not wanting to be "forced" to vote for a certain person in the primaries brush Oct 2015 #91

Just turn the insults and personal attacks up to 11! AgingAmerican Oct 2015 #169

Okay, if you call that a personal attack . . . brush Oct 2015 #251

"Vote for people". Like Republicans? AlbertCat Oct 2015 #38

It's simple logic Android3.14 Oct 2015 #216

You do understand that Sanders is using the Democratic Party as the base frazzled Oct 2015 #41

This.nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #45

You can't use them for your purposes and then openly disrespect them. workinclasszero Oct 2015 #211

It's become clear they are the ones that don't like to hear challenges to their worldview. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #15

You been to a lot of Ben Carson rallies, have you? Evillocks too? Just hav to hear those other jtuck004 Oct 2015 #31

Nope. Never been to a Carson rally. I have listened to him. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #42

No one likes challenges to their worldview. Clearly, you don't either. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2015 #47

Your point fell flat on its face from the start. NCTraveler Oct 2015 #50

Thank you for proving my point. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2015 #53

Are you comparing Hillary Clinton to Ben Carson? thucythucy Oct 2015 #123

Lol, no, you are the one who wrote that. I don't see what you do, apparently. I was jtuck004 Oct 2015 #135

I take it then your answer is "no." thucythucy Oct 2015 #145

Um, I believe the entire country knows Clinton's worldview. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #102

The caucuses are going to be interesting.. Iowa here Peacetrain Oct 2015 #23

It won[t be "their fault" if Bernie can't beat Hill Cosmocat Oct 2015 #55

I am caucusing for O'Malley.. he is the best of the three Peacetrain Oct 2015 #68

Caucuses would be a trip Cosmocat Oct 2015 #72

It is actually great way to really get the neigbors going.. Peacetrain Oct 2015 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Oct 2015 #28

It kinda rubbed me the wrong way too. It was disrespectful. Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #30

it is the Bernie supporters..... chillfactor Oct 2015 #32

You could say the same for HRC supporters LettuceSea Oct 2015 #37

Right... whatchamacallit Oct 2015 #52

Weak sauce in this article. blackspade Oct 2015 #48

Well, yeah. Hissyspit Oct 2015 #116

Deanism 2.0 Renew Deal Oct 2015 #56

All I can say about those who walked out is.... MohRokTah Oct 2015 #60

Maybe the exodus of voters was because Hillary bored them to tears. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #61

It really doesn't really matter why they walked out Sheepshank Oct 2015 #222

Oh please, it only makes the candidate you walked out on look bad. Live and Learn Oct 2015 #289

So far you are the only one that claimed it made Hillary look bad Sheepshank Oct 2015 #308

you insult millenials retrowire Oct 2015 #66

Insult millennials? I AM a millennial. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #70

But you can't possibly be. See, ALL millennials are MineralMan Oct 2015 #73

listen retrowire Oct 2015 #223

We're taking our party back - TBF Oct 2015 #77

Back to what? Careful now. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #81

Reality Check...The majority of Americans no longer identify with either party.... raindaddy Oct 2015 #80

Interesting few sentences at the bottom of the article.. DCBob Oct 2015 #85

If that is all you got, bring it on. Kalidurga Oct 2015 #87

HILLARY 2016: Because Bernie Supporters are Poopy Heads frylock Oct 2015 #88

Paid Hillary staffers posing as "supporters" brentspeak Oct 2015 #89

Her crowd looked very robotic. Fawke Em Oct 2015 #104

What has Bernie said in the past about the democratic party? workinclasszero Oct 2015 #99

Smart strategy. Skwmom Oct 2015 #105

^^THIS^^ tblue Oct 2015 #159

Welp...the gold Spandex is not going over well with me. So, so desperate for a scandal... AzDar Oct 2015 #107

This is all you've got? Fearless Oct 2015 #117

The speeches started late and people who took buses Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #121

So every Sanders supporter was bussed in? sufrommich Oct 2015 #129

They were probably told Eric J in MN Oct 2015 #138

As someone posted upthread,Hillary's speech was sufrommich Oct 2015 #142

Oh, bad bad Bernie supporters to hurt the fee fees of the Hillary supporters Autumn Oct 2015 #124

As people in the real world continue to struggle mmonk Oct 2015 #134

Even CNN commented on the exodus......... Historic NY Oct 2015 #136

CNN is all fluff and feathers tblue Oct 2015 #150

The Clinton News Network shilled for Clinton? Shocking! jfern Oct 2015 #275

Its also reported in Iowa newspapers not that they are widely read. Historic NY Oct 2015 #277

Why are HC supporters so snarky towards Bernie supporters on this board 108vcd Oct 2015 #163

which is not a given, by the way Demeter Oct 2015 #198

Wait a minute Iwillnevergiveup Oct 2015 #168

The Answer is YES Demeter Oct 2015 #177

If they want to keep walking, so be it. HRC landslide in 2016 regardless. oasis Oct 2015 #183

Landslide? Kentonio Oct 2015 #237

LOL at the Old Gray Lady's Continuing Establishment Love Affair mhatrw Oct 2015 #185

�Are the Sanders folks going to walk out on the Democrats if he�s not the nominee?� Fawke Em Oct 2015 #188

You nailed it. jalan48 Oct 2015 #194

That photo silenttigersong Oct 2015 #190

LOL!!! The gold pants are perfect!... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #192

I know right silenttigersong Oct 2015 #196

Looks like a picture of conservatives Ned Flanders Oct 2015 #208

I keep seeing silenttigersong Oct 2015 #231

Blah, Blah, Blah... SoapBox Oct 2015 #202

I can't believe all the posts in here SmittynMo Oct 2015 #215

Why should they stay and listen artislife Oct 2015 #218

It was tweeted that since it had started late they had to leave, their buses were leaving on time Autumn Oct 2015 #253

That's the real reason artislife Oct 2015 #254

I don't remember her being upset when Hillary and she supporters did it at Autumn Oct 2015 #256

What NH conference? nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #260

The one in NH in Sept, convention, confrence whatever. n/t Autumn Oct 2015 #263

Clinton spoke last at that conference. nt sufrommich Oct 2015 #265

Hillary was done with her speech by 10:00 and chartered sufrommich Oct 2015 #262

Take it up with those who said they left to be on the buses by 10:30.n/t Autumn Oct 2015 #264

Thusly proving that they are exactly the SAME thing as that which they accuse Aunt Bold Ire8 Oct 2015 #225

*gasp* They didn't kiss Joe's ring or HRC's ass. Tsk, tsk. polichick Oct 2015 #229

k/r Dawson Leery Oct 2015 #252

Hillary supporters left the NH convention before Bernie spoke jfern Oct 2015 #274

I keep seeing this claim made,I've never heard it before the sufrommich Oct 2015 #276

Here jfern Oct 2015 #278

oh no, the PUMAS are pissed Doctor_J Oct 2015 #287

Bernie Supporters TurboKitty Oct 2015 #290

Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #291

I'm a Democrat. LWolf Oct 2015 #294

Sounds to me like the democratic party feels entitled...they have the problem. bowens43 Oct 2015 #304

Ugliest, most toxic, thread I've seen in a while and that's going some. merrily Oct 2015 #306

Looks like snooty griping at the class of people who have to take the bus, and betterdemsonly Oct 2015 #309

"Unlike Mrs. Clinton and Martin O�Malley, the other Democratic presidential candidate at the dinner Cha Oct 2015 #314