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In reply to the discussion: Please DON'T CALL Hillary A Progressive [View all]Gothmog
(145,176 posts)157. These posts do not demonstrate or answer my questions as to viablity
Sanders is not going to be able to expand his base unless and until someone explains his viability in the general election. I keep reading articles hoping to see some signs of viability for the Sanders campaign in the general election. Here is a thread that is a good example. See http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251667157 if you read the last three paragraphs of the article cited in that thread, Sanders campaign manager does not outline a path to the nomination but a path to be a "serious" candidate.
If all goes according to plan, Sanders will have won enough delegates by mid-March to be a serious contender for the nomination. That would signal a shift for Sanders; it would be time to court the establishment. Then we have to offer fundamental assurances to party leaders who say hes a socialist. Hes been in the Congress 25 years and his program is not to replace the current system with socialism, its to revive the middle class.
Sanderss outsider campaign has been likened to Jesse Jacksons insurgent campaign in 1988it wasnt until the Wisconsin primary in April that Michael Dukakis defeated Jackson. But Devine thinks the more apt analogy to todays politics is 1984 when the combination of Gary Harts insurgency and Jacksons coalition of minority voters together almost beat Walter Mondale. Jackson never received support from the institutional party, but he demanded respect. If we register, as Jesse Jackson did, millions of people, that would be a huge lift for the party in Senate races. And for whichever Democrat reaches the magic number of delegates next year to secure the nomination.
The idea that Sanders is good for the Democratic Party is a hard lesson for Clinton to appreciate in the heat of battle. But hes got voters fired up and ready to go, and Democrats need that energy.
Sanderss outsider campaign has been likened to Jesse Jacksons insurgent campaign in 1988it wasnt until the Wisconsin primary in April that Michael Dukakis defeated Jackson. But Devine thinks the more apt analogy to todays politics is 1984 when the combination of Gary Harts insurgency and Jacksons coalition of minority voters together almost beat Walter Mondale. Jackson never received support from the institutional party, but he demanded respect. If we register, as Jesse Jackson did, millions of people, that would be a huge lift for the party in Senate races. And for whichever Democrat reaches the magic number of delegates next year to secure the nomination.
The idea that Sanders is good for the Democratic Party is a hard lesson for Clinton to appreciate in the heat of battle. But hes got voters fired up and ready to go, and Democrats need that energy.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/12/bernie-sanders-s-strategist-this-is-how-we-win.html
The apparent goal of this campaign is not for Sanders to be the nominee but to be considered a serious candidate who might almost beat Hillary Clinton.
This article is silent on what Sanders intend to do in a general election contest in that it appears that Sanders campaign manager does not expect that Sanders will be the nominee.
Again, Sanders needs to come up with a good explanation as to how he is viable in a general election if he wants to expand the base. I keep looking for a good explanation and I have yet to see anything close.
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Your claims would be more persuasive if you could show viability for sanders in general election
Gothmog
Oct 2015
#127
Have you missed all of the posts about how craaaaaaaaaazy Sanders suppoters are getting?
Armstead
Oct 2015
#135
Yes Clinton is rich and she can buy the nomination. Maybe her millionaires will...
Armstead
Oct 2015
#252
It's all relative. I personally view Hillary as unelectable and as unable to serve as president.
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#144
And how do you overcome being outspent by the RNC candidate and the Koch brothers?
Gothmog
Oct 2015
#172
I would love to see how we can ever attain a true representative democracy as long as the
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#166
We need a constitutional amendment combined with chsnges in state laws changing the definitions of
JDPriestly
Oct 2015
#233
Actually Sanders has been quite competitive in several polls that measured his
totodeinhere
Oct 2015
#206
This might come as a shock to you; but, while those issues might matter ...
1StrongBlackMan
Oct 2015
#116
We all do that. It's human nature. Especially for those who are passionate about issues
Armstead
Oct 2015
#164
If she wins the nomination and she's up against any of those candidates the GOP is fielding
LynneSin
Oct 2015
#175
You have a point but IMO it's just a stale sequal to a movie that's getting old
Armstead
Oct 2015
#177
Ironic that those that hate the far left want to believe that HRC is progressive. She is a neolibera
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#197
There is only one box. Each orbital can contain up to two electrons. Which electron decays first?
DhhD
Oct 2015
#98
She has Keystone lobbyists on her staff. She pushed for TPP 45 times, the Iraq war
think
Oct 2015
#15
I don't think you can call it "opposition" if she's been on both sides of an issue.
Jester Messiah
Oct 2015
#95
Two words come to mind. "Gold Standard" - Hillary Clinton on the TPP prior to a final bill.
Bubzer
Oct 2015
#182
"she has a habit of stealing Bernie's positions and claiming them her own..."
BeanMusical
Oct 2015
#228
I'd like to add her signing the Bankruptcy "Reform" Act. NOTHING "pgrogressive"
CharlotteVale
Oct 2015
#8
She's been consistent on one issue... NOT PROGRESSIVE on supporting H-1B quota expansion!!!
cascadiance
Oct 2015
#60
Mostly on issues that don't cost the wealthy and the corporations anything
dreamnightwind
Oct 2015
#160
Give it time, we'll also be dictating the clothes you wear, how you think and what you eat
LynneSin
Oct 2015
#176
Calling her a progrogressive is another trick like Republicans using bogus names on legislation.
GoneFishin
Oct 2015
#35
Who said she's a Progressive? Even Hillary herself confirmed that she is firmly
NorthCarolina
Oct 2015
#42
Fine, let's stick to Democrat and Independent, the terms that actually matter. nt
ucrdem
Oct 2015
#43
He's running as a Democrat, and finally gives REAL Democrats someone to vote for...
cascadiance
Oct 2015
#87
If you ever tuned to Thom Hartmann the way most PROGRESSIVES do these days...
cascadiance
Oct 2015
#107
Which is why those trying to blame Nader for losing should support Instant Runoff Voting...
cascadiance
Nov 2015
#258
She may not be as progressive as you like, but anyone may choose to consider her progressive
ToxMarz
Oct 2015
#64
Is their no bad policy that Hillary supporters won't ignore to elect her President?
Maedhros
Oct 2015
#149
I'm not demanding you not say something, but that you back up what you are saying...
cascadiance
Oct 2015
#113
Yes, with the "Progressive" Policy Institute, and the "Progressive" Coalition for American Jobs...
cascadiance
Oct 2015
#101
I consider Hillary supporters to be my political opponents, in a larger sense than just
Maedhros
Oct 2015
#152
IMO she is at best a centrist more accurately a I'll say whatever will get me a vote ist
azurnoir
Oct 2015
#132
You are entitled to your opinion on this issue and we are entitled to our opinion
Gothmog
Oct 2015
#136
We might want to figure out how to stand together ... or we will surely hang seperately
NotHardly
Oct 2015
#178
Ironically those that spew hatred toward the "far left". They are so easily fooled. nm
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#198
yesterday the proprietor of the new hate site proclaimed that progressives are the worst enemy
Doctor_J
Oct 2015
#189
How about "please don't call Clinton a progressive during the primary"? Clearly, she is no
Attorney in Texas
Oct 2015
#194
So you say her stand on SS isn't progressive? Just because it sounds like the same shit
rhett o rick
Oct 2015
#223
It would take a special kind of idiot to call Hillary Clinton a progressive.
DisgustipatedinCA
Oct 2015
#235
I don't think half the people on this site would call Hillary a Progressive. SHE doesn't btw. I
sabrina 1
Oct 2015
#236
I refuse to accept defeat before a single vote is cast. Obviously, some politicians disagree n/t
JonLeibowitz
Oct 2015
#247
I call Hillary a corporate conservative, always have but she now seems to have gone
Todays_Illusion
Nov 2015
#254
Her election campaign sell out was pretty obvious, first she was moving left along with Bernie, then
Todays_Illusion
Nov 2015
#263