2016 Postmortem

Hekate

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98. Yeah, they're called Republicans. This may shock you, but...

Reply to Cheese Sandwich (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2015, 08:54 PM

Nov 2015

... a lot of so-called Independents are actually Republicans, because (wait for it) it is a catch-all phrase and not a political party with a platform of its own.

The "Independents" attracted to Sanders may or may not have ever registered Democratic because they think of themselves as Green or any of a number of things, but that does not mean they are even in the majority of those who call themselves Independents.

So I don't expect any party loyalty at all from a lot of Bernie supporters. None. They're not Democrats. All the hand-wringing about how the Democratic Party is in peril from Hillary is bogus, because too many of them will never vote for a Democratic candidate regardless of who it is. Well, unless it is Bernie, who is only temporarily a Democrat.

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Unfortunately it's a fact, some voters will not support Clinton if she is Democratic nominee [View all] Cheese Sandwich Nov 2015 OP

Democrats will step up and vote, the DINO may or may not. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #1

It takes a DINO to vote for a DINO Loudestlib Nov 2015 #42

Maybe so, I am a Democrat who will be supporting Hillary Clinton in the Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #45

Once again you got the highly prized (for some) #1 response spot. It must take some rhett o rick Nov 2015 #95

Too bad only 33% of registered voters TM99 Dec 2015 #151

DINO's are people that call themselves Democrats but agree with Republicons on many issues. rhett o rick Dec 2015 #209

That is bound to be the case regardless of which candidate. Xipe Totec Nov 2015 #2

Just like Dean voters didn't vote for Kerry? brooklynite Nov 2015 #3

I find that hard to believe. I know a lot of people here in Arkansas would have voted LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #30

I would think that some Arkansas voters would have preferred Hillary Art_from_Ark Nov 2015 #58

I think that is most of the south, the reason for the Southern Strategy, so that LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #62

I think brooklynite is being sarcastic there.Dean is a Democrat and so were his enthusiastic workers Hekate Nov 2015 #100

I was for Dean also, but did the Kerry thing anyway. The Democratic party really LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #104

Exactly. BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #155

Amen Hekate Dec 2015 #212

Walker Bragman is not alone. floriduck Nov 2015 #4

...and mine. n/t Chan790 Nov 2015 #19

I am 67 and I feel almost like that, but I will vote for HRC anyway. I really disliked LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #31

real mature enid602 Nov 2015 #5

seriously? roguevalley Nov 2015 #26

yea seriously that attitude is seriously childish - saturnsring Nov 2015 #48

No, you really don't get it. Chef Eric Nov 2015 #73

No it doesn't. She gets her donations from people like me. upaloopa Nov 2015 #107

Here is a link to a list of Clinton's top contributors. Chef Eric Nov 2015 #111

+1 cui bono Nov 2015 #134

Chef, you hit that nail on the head. Hepburn Dec 2015 #181

Thank you Hepburn. Chef Eric Dec 2015 #202

Nail...hammer...you did it again! Hepburn Dec 2015 #211

Exactly. arikara Dec 2015 #186

K&R. Bookmarked for later. eom Betty Karlson Nov 2015 #6

And a lot of them will ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #7

Oh yes indeed retrowire Nov 2015 #74

this is true of any candidate JI7 Nov 2015 #8

It is however more true of some candidates Vincardog Dec 2015 #185

These voters may change their mind when they see the GOP nominee Gothmog Nov 2015 #9

Nope. They are looking to vote for someone. Not against someone. jeff47 Nov 2015 #117

they've seen ALL of them ibegurpard Dec 2015 #146

Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #10

What a disgusting comment. It should and probably will be alerted on. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #12

Advocating not voting helps who? JaneyVee Nov 2015 #14

That has nothing to do with your disgusting comment and does not excuse it. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #15

Regarding your now hidden comment comradebillyboy Nov 2015 #28

So am I ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #32

Nailed it. nt MeNMyVolt Nov 2015 #140

Same. Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #64

Ditto redstateblues Nov 2015 #94

Yep. n/t MeNMyVolt Nov 2015 #141

Where is anyone advocating not voting? bvf Nov 2015 #79

You don't vote, don't complain NYCButterfinger Nov 2015 #11

Exactly. Thinkingabout Nov 2015 #49

it seems like a lot of bernie supporters like to complain taught_me_patience Dec 2015 #173

As one that has registered many of them, I agree. nt Live and Learn Nov 2015 #13

No matter how many loyalty oaths I personally ibegurpard Nov 2015 #16

If a person was a child during the Bush years, I can see why they'd be spoiled by Starry Messenger Nov 2015 #17

Well said. Thank you. nt Bleacher Creature Dec 2015 #208

I would never change my vote... NCTraveler Nov 2015 #18

Its not the republicans that can be swayed for the dem party Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #125

There's a very simple solution to your candidate being outvoted mythology Nov 2015 #20

because more Democratic voter's prefer her message right now FlatBaroque Nov 2015 #21

If more Democratic voters do indeed prefer Clinton, then that vindicates my decision Maedhros Nov 2015 #23

you won't be missed nt comradebillyboy Nov 2015 #29

I don't expect to be missed. Maedhros Nov 2015 #41

Then you cant be a Woman or Gay...or Black... randys1 Nov 2015 #84

? Loudestlib Dec 2015 #145

You are either intentionally misreading what I am saying or what I am not sure. randys1 Dec 2015 #170

Sounds like another Naderite redstateblues Nov 2015 #127

Farewell. riversedge Nov 2015 #36

Bye-bye. Don't let the door hit ya. Hekate Nov 2015 #103

Here is my question to you: truedelphi Nov 2015 #33

Exactly - and by promoting same old same old HRC bread_and_roses Nov 2015 #53

What gets me is that the ones that haven't suffered must at least know a few people that have A Simple Game Nov 2015 #101

I have been as bewildered as you have. truedelphi Nov 2015 #116

DU seems to be contaminated more and more with the type of person you recall from the past. A Simple Game Nov 2015 #121

+1. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #34

Very few states will be "in play". bvar22 Nov 2015 #22

California may be the deciding factor in next year's primary election cycle. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #27

California has over 67 voter Registrar Officials, truedelphi Nov 2015 #38

Yes, because all Democrats and Independents will rush to vote for Sanders. Beacool Nov 2015 #24

Please don't ignore history. Historically speaking, truedelphi Nov 2015 #44

Here, here! floriduck Nov 2015 #50

Not to be petty, but it's "hear, hear". Beacool Dec 2015 #152

This! yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #68

+ 100 Jackilope Nov 2015 #75

Well said, truedelphi. nt Chef Eric Nov 2015 #80

So in your 40% where will these people go? rpannier Nov 2015 #88

How the hell would I know where these people will go? truedelphi Nov 2015 #93

If voting against the Republican motivated them, this OP wouldn't exist. jeff47 Nov 2015 #120

"Voting against worse" is not "insanity" thucythucy Dec 2015 #183

Yes, it is insanity. Because it means a slow loss of all those rights you are concerned about jeff47 Dec 2015 #184

I doubt any single candidate can "fix our problems" thucythucy Dec 2015 #187

Finding a "Warm, Purple place" to work with Republicans requires giving up something. jeff47 Dec 2015 #189

"You've had forty years..." thucythucy Dec 2015 #192

Yes, you have had forty years. jeff47 Dec 2015 #195

I have no idea what you're on about. Really, I don't. thucythucy Dec 2015 #204

They don't vote! ibegurpard Dec 2015 #147

Do write-in votes count? Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #25

Yes write-ins count ... But they don't count for electing the President you want, though ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #37

If the majority of the voters cast write-in votes for a person who is not the nominee . . . Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #46

If ifs were skiffs, none of us would have to swim ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #51

Weak. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #56

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #128

You are an odd duck alright, suggesting that a write in candidate probably wont win randys1 Nov 2015 #86

Stockholm Syndrome ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2015 #131

I don't think you 2 know how the Electoral College actually works. Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #150

I am very well informed about the electoral college and how it works ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2015 #161

They are called Idiots, or more commonly ... Republicans. JoePhilly Nov 2015 #35

It's probably also a fact that some voters won't support Sanders if he's the nominee. onenote Nov 2015 #39

I don't want 'Bernie to be my leader'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #60

Same thinking runs rampant here in my household. n/t truedelphi Nov 2015 #71

You better hope Bernie is a leader if you want him to get things done. onenote Nov 2015 #92

Excellent post. thucythucy Dec 2015 #188

This message was self-deleted by its author IHateTheGOP Nov 2015 #40

If we actually manage to lose the WH, Women and Gay and Black Americans will die randys1 Nov 2015 #87

Then perhaps you should be coming up with ways to solve this problem jeff47 Nov 2015 #130

And that's exactly why we need to heed the OP and nominate Sanders. He has a much better rhett o rick Dec 2015 #210

Joan WalshSeriously did @salon sponsor a contest to find the dumbest dudebro writing about Hillary riversedge Nov 2015 #43

Some people only care about them damn selves.. not a clue about the Planet. They're so into Cha Dec 2015 #154

It's A Risk The Party Establishment Is Willing To Take, I Guess... WillyT Nov 2015 #47

The topic of this thread gives me hope. Major Hogwash Nov 2015 #61

Depends on just how selfish certain folks are if Hillary is the nominee. randys1 Nov 2015 #89

And I'm Coming To The Realization That It May Just Happen No Matter Who We Elect... WillyT Nov 2015 #91

Sadly Old Codger Nov 2015 #52

And if that happens, the blame will lie squarely on those who chose the unelectable Hillary. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2015 #63

No, the blame will lie with those BlueMTexpat Dec 2015 #157

It's post like this one Andy823 Nov 2015 #54

People * Want * Change NorthCarolina Nov 2015 #55

This is a conversation best left until after the primary is decided. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #57

I am sure there are some voters that won't support Sanders doc03 Nov 2015 #59

Well... tom_kelly Nov 2015 #65

How did you feel about Gore vs Dubya? Was there a dime's worth of difference between them? Hekate Dec 2015 #214

Those people shouldn't be on this site. Bleacher Creature Nov 2015 #66

They seem to want to take over this site Andy823 Nov 2015 #69

Really scares me. zentrum Nov 2015 #67

Old saying: Don't cut off your nose to spite your face. baldguy Nov 2015 #70

those voters are assholes sharp_stick Nov 2015 #72

Well, there ya go! Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #160

ONLY 68% of Iowa Democrats think Clinton is trustworthy Perogie Nov 2015 #76

I know some of them. 7962 Nov 2015 #77

I hope they at least SHOW UP and vote on the state and local elections n/t arcane1 Nov 2015 #78

That's What's Ironic... I Always Vote, And It's Usually For Down Ballot Candidates And Propositions WillyT Nov 2015 #82

I wouldn't count on it. jeff47 Nov 2015 #114

It is also a fact, many will run away instead of voting for a Socialist. Meh. seabeyond Nov 2015 #81

non-Sanders voters I mention her to inevitably say "erch--isn't there anyone running against her?" MisterP Nov 2015 #83

I will be joining Hillary & Bernie... Mike Nelson Nov 2015 #85

This is obviously a desparation OP. Bernie can't win with just talking points so you upaloopa Nov 2015 #90

So? We've always known the misogynists in the party won't vote for her, among others. pnwmom Nov 2015 #96

And since there are misogynists that will not vote for a woman, no woman should run. seabeyond Nov 2015 #108

Yup. That seems to be the idea. There are too many men who loathe and despise her. pnwmom Nov 2015 #115

Yup. Women will once again, carry the day. My prediction. seabeyond Nov 2015 #119

Democrats that don't support the nominee Tommy2Tone Nov 2015 #97

Most of us care more about the less fortunate than she does. Or any other DINO. RiverLover Dec 2015 #158

Yeah, they're called Republicans. This may shock you, but... Hekate Nov 2015 #98

Actually, the 40% unaffiliated are roughly split in half. jeff47 Nov 2015 #122

Why buy the cow? Tired of my vote being taken for granted, Rebkeh Nov 2015 #99

Why buy the cow? WTF? That makes absolutely no sense but to throw out a disgusting sexist slur. seabeyond Nov 2015 #109

I guess I showed my age? Rebkeh Nov 2015 #113

Yes a sexist statement given to our girls. Getting sex? Why marry her. seabeyond Nov 2015 #118

Yes, so you get my intended meaning. Rebkeh Nov 2015 #133

Clinton is the top 15% most progressive in congress. She has devoted a life to progressive seabeyond Nov 2015 #137

That she's in the top 15% says more Rebkeh Nov 2015 #138

Facts really do not count in some argument. I can't do anything for that one. seabeyond Dec 2015 #143

No, you can't Rebkeh Dec 2015 #148

"Because I am not making a factual claim" Trust me, I get that. I prefer to deal in facts. seabeyond Dec 2015 #149

We can't lose the supreme court gollygee Nov 2015 #102

Being of the older persuasion, I'll probably vote for Mrs. Clinton Jack Rabbit Nov 2015 #105

I will never vote for Hillary. Scruffy1 Nov 2015 #106

"106. I will never vote for Hillary." So what! seabeyond Nov 2015 #110

Yes. Most Republicans will not. MineralMan Nov 2015 #112

The real Democratic base is 30% of the electorate. You don't win with 30%. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2015 #124

You are correct. Many Democrats and nearly all Republicans will not vote for her. Fair or not, GoneFishin Nov 2015 #123

You wouldn't ... NanceGreggs Nov 2015 #126

There are plenty of independents that won't vote for redstateblues Nov 2015 #129

Independents make up 40% of the electorate. jeff47 Nov 2015 #132

Hillary's supporters are under the bizarre misapprehension that she only has to win the Primary. Romulox Nov 2015 #135

Why is it almost always Bernie supporters Nonhlanhla Nov 2015 #136

It's because Clinton is to the right of Sanders. Chef Eric Nov 2015 #139

I know she is somewhat to the right of Bernie Nonhlanhla Dec 2015 #156

Your metric only counts bills that actually made it to the floor. jeff47 Dec 2015 #177

Not when the Supreme Court is at stake Nonhlanhla Dec 2015 #200

"Again, it is NOT something I would ever encourage." MeNMyVolt Nov 2015 #142

I will (and have never) in my life supported a presidential candidate who makes blatant (or subtle) Liberal_Stalwart71 Dec 2015 #144

Some get the red out Dec 2015 #153

That is exactly what I'm hearing from millennials Le Taz Hot Dec 2015 #159

In 2014, voter turnout was 36.4%. If Hillary is our 2016 nominee it will be higher, much higher .... Scuba Dec 2015 #162

I think 2016 turnout will be similar to 2012. DCBob Dec 2015 #164

I predict that if she's our candidate, we'll get clobbered. The right will turn out to vote ... Scuba Dec 2015 #165

I disagree. DCBob Dec 2015 #166

The left will turn out to vote against the Republicans, true. It won't be enough. Scuba Dec 2015 #167

I believe it will. DCBob Dec 2015 #168

Let's help Bernie win the primary, then we'll win the GE and have some coattails! Scuba Dec 2015 #169

"real" Democrats are 30% of the electorate. jeff47 Dec 2015 #179

Hillary is very strong candidate for the general. DCBob Dec 2015 #190

You're doing a great job of also not realizing a problem exists. jeff47 Dec 2015 #191

As I said in a previous post I think this election is going to be much like 2012. DCBob Dec 2015 #193

You mean when a popular incumbent lost half his margin of victory? jeff47 Dec 2015 #197

He still won easily. DCBob Dec 2015 #199

I agree totally. Major Hogwash Dec 2015 #172

We will hope at that time Bernie will step up and help to convince those voters of their fallacy. DCBob Dec 2015 #163

Especially when we're told, in effect, that he can convince Congress to do his will. randome Dec 2015 #171

So says the millennial from East Hampton postatomic Dec 2015 #174

I'd vote for a dog turn over Ted Cruz JEB Dec 2015 #175

This is indisputable, Cheese Sandwich. Thing is, how many? merrily Dec 2015 #176

JeffCo Colorado is my county pinebox Dec 2015 #178

I love knowing that. Mine is Suffolk County Massachusetts, which will merrily Dec 2015 #180

Did you know that 68% of your posts are anti Hillary? Sheepshank Dec 2015 #182

Here's why Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #194

disingenious....and a pethetic set of reasoning for not supporting your candidate. nt Sheepshank Dec 2015 #198

https://www.google.com/#q=fallujah+depleted+uranium Cheese Sandwich Dec 2015 #205

Well they won't be posting here MaggieD Dec 2015 #196

Agreed. Bleacher Creature Dec 2015 #206

Yep. MaggieD Dec 2015 #207

The question to pose, then, is this: randome Dec 2015 #201

Some? Lots. earthside Dec 2015 #203

I dont know anyone who would vote for Bernie Sanders. moobu2 Dec 2015 #213

What are you thinking? Your country has only two parties! One will fuck the US akbacchus_BC Dec 2015 #215

If Mrs. Clinton is the nominee, do you really have a choice? akbacchus_BC Dec 2015 #216