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Douglas Carpenter

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23. And the U.S. still ranks # 37 in the world in healthcare at roughly double the cost
Tue Dec 22, 2015, 07:04 AM
Dec 2015

Last edited Tue Dec 22, 2015, 08:45 AM - Edit history (1)

What are some other countries doing right that we are doing wrong?

I personally would prefer a public healthcare system like the UK, Sweden or France to a fee-for service single payer approach such as "Medicare For All" or even the Canadian system - since that would be the most conceivable way I can imagine to get cost under control.

To me single-payer would be almost the equivalent of the voucher system for education as opposed to a public school system.

But one thing is for sure - other systems elsewhere whether comprehensive socialized public healthcare or fee-for service - single-payer - especially in the developed world are providing healthcare for everyone at a much lower cost than what the U.S. is doing.

This has now turned personal for me. I have insurance and I have savings and I have lived most of my adult life as a responsible middle class citizen - I am also a healthcare worker, a Respiratory Therapist. But I am now 61 and I also have Esophageal and upper Gastric Cancer that is metastasized and malignant. If I don't either get better or die soon - I will or could likely face almost total financial ruin in spite of my good comprehensive Aetna Insurance and what savings I have that I have worked all my life for. And yes, I am bitter about it! - I'm not going to waist any energy feeling sorry for myself though. Because I am better off and in a better position than many - if not most Americans in a similar situation. If I was British or Swedish or French or Canadian - I would still be sick - possibly terminally - but I would not have to worry about all that I worked and saved for going down the drain.

Every time someone makes a strong proposal for something that might actually work - we get hit with a combination of a litany of lies about healthcare in other Western democracies or the "sensible centers" wisdom - "Now is not the time - wait till later." They were saying that 50 years ago. Just how fucking long do we have to wait to behave and act live a civilized society that takes care of sick people?

How many staff were needed SheilaT Dec 2015 #1
We still need to bill Medicare upaloopa Dec 2015 #2
You would hire government staff upaloopa Dec 2015 #10
But surely there would be far fewer staffers needed if SheilaT Dec 2015 #11
The higher costs are insurance premiums and upaloopa Dec 2015 #12
Then perhaps the vastly lower insurance premiums SheilaT Dec 2015 #22
I am a doctor...I like your post. Bookmarking for when I have time to reply thoroughly Bread and Circus Dec 2015 #3
Socialize it all. GeorgeGist Dec 2015 #4
Exactly. Kentonio Dec 2015 #6
But which version of socialized medicine do you use? mythology Dec 2015 #19
Colorado has done this to an extent with Community Health Clinics. joshcryer Dec 2015 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author GeorgeGist Dec 2015 #5
MRI = $600 for insurance same procedure $125 for out of pocket FreakinDJ Dec 2015 #7
The insurance company determines the reimbursement upaloopa Dec 2015 #8
WRONG - you charge the insurance companies MORE FreakinDJ Dec 2015 #9
I am not wrong upaloopa Dec 2015 #14
How many insurance companies stopped contracting with you for charging 4x more FreakinDJ Dec 2015 #15
I told you it doesn't matter what we billed upaloopa Dec 2015 #17
It doesn't matter as long as you can gouge the Working Class FreakinDJ Dec 2015 #21
That is exactly what they do! When the DRG's or other cost control mechanisms Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #24
I take it you don't work in any portion of the health care or insurance industry mythology Dec 2015 #20
Other developed countries pay half of what we pay for better results.... Human101948 Dec 2015 #13
And recieve BETTER care FreakinDJ Dec 2015 #16
Yes...the discussion is loony... Human101948 Dec 2015 #18
And the U.S. still ranks # 37 in the world in healthcare at roughly double the cost Douglas Carpenter Dec 2015 #23
the assumption handmade34 Dec 2015 #26
Upaloopa, what you describe is quite right, to the best of my knowledge rogerashton Dec 2015 #27
Thanks for your experienced post. Medicare for all is not free and I Thinkingabout Dec 2015 #28
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