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kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
33. JDP, there are several reasons.
Sun May 1, 2016, 06:28 PM
May 2016

Let me preface it with the point that I fully support Bernie's ideas and platform. I admire him for his consistency - he has advocated on the issue of income inequality and the poor for decades. Also, with the point I know a little bit about politics. In my twenties, I was a paid consultant to two Congressional campaigns and have been active for many years. However, today the dynamics have certainly changed.

First, I've done a good bit of research on Bernie's platform, and none of the planks have a chance of being realized. Mostly, it's the math in Congress. We could win a majority in the Senate. But the Repubs have an historic 58-seat majority in the House and it will require an unprecedented sea change in the election to overcome that majority. The right win caucus there has a stranglehold on the House, and they are not likely to lose members because of extreme gerrymandering that the Repubs has established in many Congressional districts.

But let's assume that the near impossible happens. We win both Houses. However, the Repubs control most of the state legislatures and I don't think that will change. State control matters with Bernie's platform. For example, his free college tuition program. According to Bernie, the states must pay one third of the total bill. That is many billions of $$$. There is no way that the Repub legislatures will pass it because they will see it as an abhorrent overreach by the federal govt. That is essentially what today's Republican ideology is all about.

There are other concerns. Bernie has no experience in foreign policy, and given the threats from abroad that we face today, that is a serious limitation. However, you could argue that Obama didn't have any either. But there's a difference. Bernie has no interest in foreign affairs; Obama did and was a quick study. In today's international climate, we need a president who is at least interested in the goings-on abroad. Bernie is strictly a domestic-driven public servant.

Bernie also has limited experience in working with people to get things done. If you put his and Hillary's vitas side by side, it is obvious that Hillary has a record of results. Bernie is a wonderfully talented advocate. He is an agitator. He does that best. However, he is not one to lead teams, or even join a team. It's not in his makeup. However, they call the president a chief executive for a reason. The president must execute a strategy to get things done. For all of her faults and I am clearly aware of them, Hillary has a record of getting things done. And a record of working across the aisle when necessary. Many Bernie supporters see this as corruption. I see it as an ability to actually execute and realize an agenda.

I also have ethical problems with Bernie selling an agenda to young people that he knows will not be achieved. He's been in Congress for 25 years. He knows the game. Most young people don't know much about the impossibility of his platform. They're young and full of hope. However, Bernie knows it. I've concluded that either he knows it's impossible and he is bluntly conning all of those young people sending him whatever $$$ they have, or he is blinded by his own ideology and he cannot see the reality of it. Either way, those aren't characteristics that I'd like to see in my president.

Also, I have to say that I have a problem with Jane. Do you wonder why Bernie has not released all of his tax returns going back even 8 years as Hillary has? I'd wager that it is because when Jane was fired by the Board of Trustees as president of Burlington College, she negotiated a $200,000 severance (commonly called in corporate America, a 'golden parachute'). Nice if you can get it, but she received the money as the college she led was struggling to stay alive. Taking that much money from a college with less than 300 students and many hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt? That's not exactly consistent with Bernie's message, and something that really rubs me the wrong way. That $200,000 payment is in their income tax returns.

Lastly, I do not think Bernie is electable. I've dug into Bernie's biography. There's too much for the Republicans to use against him in the general election campaign - relationships with Communists and Marxists, support for Fidel Castro and Daniel Ortega, and honeymooning in the Soviet Union during the Cold War, and much, much more. Now that may not matter to you or me, but it will with the many millions of voters who remember the Cold War, and many who have a problem seeing a conscientious objector as commander in chief of our military.

The Republican assassination squad will eviserate him and there will be little that Bernie can do about it. Consider that the Republicans have been quiet as a church mouse about Bernie throughout the primary season while their super pacs are spending millions on anti-Hillary ads in the primary states. Common sense dictates that they want Bernie in the general and they are keeping their powder dry just in case.

Wow, that's a post-full. Please don't reply that I'm an idiot or a member of the corporate cult class. Neither is true. I've just thought it through and come to a conclusion. I'll vote for Bernie in the general if he makes it, but my head is with Hillary.

This message was self-deleted by its author Kip Humphrey May 2016 #1
Nope - they didn't pop when Warren said that, and now almost six weeks later, they're.... George II May 2016 #17
How about you take your nastiness elsewhere before I block you. Autumn May 2016 #25
What is nasty about facts? nt fun n serious May 2016 #84
Facts are fine. Get nasty with people posting in this group and get blocked. Autumn May 2016 #112
+1 narnian60 May 2016 #110
This kind of snark is really not necessary passiveporcupine May 2016 #24
I donated last night catchnrelease May 2016 #47
Best wishes to your doggy and the rest of your family. Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #59
I've very sorry to hear about your dog passiveporcupine May 2016 #61
Coyotes here too catchnrelease May 2016 #82
Thank you. passiveporcupine May 2016 #83
about your dog Urchin May 2016 #67
As a matter of fact I have! catchnrelease May 2016 #81
I'm sorry about your dog fun n serious May 2016 #85
Thanks catchnrelease May 2016 #90
I'm Still Donating Monthly Even Though I'm Also Low Income.. ChiciB1 May 2016 #48
Well said. Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #57
And, please, although your state has voted, please make calls to the states that remain. JDPriestly May 2016 #80
I know how you feel PatrynXX May 2016 #87
Keep it nice please. Autumn May 2016 #26
Wait until she starts talking that way about Hillary. Just wait. And wait. Gregorian May 2016 #2
She already has... lunamagica May 2016 #6
not an example of "talking that way" Android3.14 May 2016 #103
She praises Hillary lunamagica May 2016 #107
K & R! TIME TO PANIC May 2016 #3
Actually, I find a statement like this, so late in the contest, disappointing. RiverNoord May 2016 #4
In the beginning donnasgirl May 2016 #7
So her "principles" are still not credible with your household? Duckfan May 2016 #10
She hasn't lost any credibility. Many of us were sure she she would wait and endorse the nominee. Autumn May 2016 #27
I've NEVER Really Wanted Her To Endorse Either One Simply Because She ChiciB1 May 2016 #50
+1000 She needs to avoid the polarization to be effective, and it helps her for 2020! TheBlackAdder May 2016 #68
I have not been naive (not saying you are) Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #71
As A One Time Type Setter/Proof Reader Who Chastises Myself When I ChiciB1 May 2016 #114
Thank you so much for the kind words! Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #117
Smart CobaltBlue May 2016 #78
She doesn't kiss the behind of your family. Chicago1980 May 2016 #38
You are correct donnasgirl May 2016 #42
Do you feel Elizabeth Warren is not being respectful? CobaltBlue May 2016 #89
Yes we feel she is not donnasgirl May 2016 #95
You feel that way FlaGranny May 2016 #96
I am disappointed to say the least donnasgirl May 2016 #99
There's nothing wrong with acting on self interest. kstewart33 May 2016 #12
Actually she said that about six weeks ago, this is an old story.... George II May 2016 #18
So what do y'all think she's hedging her bets for? ReRe May 2016 #22
Um.. I don't know what her ambitions are. RiverNoord May 2016 #113
You lost me ReRe May 2016 #116
I actually agree with your post dreamnightwind May 2016 #29
And I thought she was the "only" candidate mountain grammy May 2016 #39
Yes Bernie has been an amazing surprise dreamnightwind May 2016 #43
Every day, his stamina and energy amaze me. mountain grammy May 2016 #45
She may actually prefer Hillary passiveporcupine May 2016 #64
seems odd to applaud that dreamnightwind May 2016 #70
I don't think Warren wants to be VP and I don't think passiveporcupine May 2016 #76
I feel as you do. Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #62
Closest to my take as well. I don't get the hesitation, from an issues-first politician. canoeist52 May 2016 #94
I think she supports both of them passiveporcupine May 2016 #63
Not really "late" in the contest. She said this over a month ago. onenote May 2016 #72
K&R. Well said. Overseas May 2016 #5
K&R Dragonfli May 2016 #8
Thanks for posting, Autumn Playinghardball May 2016 #9
Nope, that story is so old it was forgotten by most people back in March when she said it.... George II May 2016 #20
Why are you here? Duckhunter935 May 2016 #77
She should cheer Bernie on. kstewart33 May 2016 #11
Why don't you think he would make the better president? JDPriestly May 2016 #14
JDP, there are several reasons. kstewart33 May 2016 #33
You call Bernie a con? dreamnightwind May 2016 #44
LOL Skittles May 2016 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author FreedomRain May 2016 #49
I bookmarked this thread just for your post. You state exactly how I feel. SunSeeker May 2016 #60
OMG...you are absolutely unreal passiveporcupine May 2016 #66
A lot of that is true. dynamo99 May 2016 #88
Thank you for responding. kstewart33 May 2016 #97
"Let me preface it with the point that I fully support Bernie's... c-ville rook May 2016 #105
Oops. nt kstewart33 May 2016 #111
Elizabeth Warren should endorse Bernie. JDPriestly May 2016 #13
She's not going to so get over it. Chicago1980 May 2016 #36
How do you know? Do you have a link? JDPriestly May 2016 #79
This is an old article from back in March 4now May 2016 #15
BINGO! Slow times for positive Sanders news I guess. George II May 2016 #21
Some of us missed it. You don't have to read it. Autumn May 2016 #28
I read it when it was still relevent - Its really old now 4now May 2016 #31
And some are misinterpreting as a current story. onenote May 2016 #73
K & R LiberalLovinLug May 2016 #16
Warren will endorse whoever wins the nomination. She does not want to be placed bjo59 May 2016 #19
There is no enemies list. Warren will endorse whoever wins the nomination because she wants StevieM May 2016 #40
not the only reason dynamo99 May 2016 #115
K&R ReRe May 2016 #23
That is actually an endorsement. Cheering someone on generally means you are on their side. Kalidurga May 2016 #30
This was from March, when an actual endorsement might have made a difference. pnwmom May 2016 #32
Way to make a stretch on that one to fit your feelings. Chicago1980 May 2016 #35
She's not going to endorse until there's a nominee. Chicago1980 May 2016 #34
Snippet of info from a month and a half ago. onehandle May 2016 #37
Of course she won't endorse Bernie or Hillary. She will endorse the nominee. Autumn May 2016 #46
"He has put the right issues on the table both for the Democratic Party and for the country . . . " Major Hogwash May 2016 #41
March 25, 2016 RandySF May 2016 #51
So? This group is for EW and it's something she said. Don't read it if you don't like it. Autumn May 2016 #53
Let's just not pretend it's a new statement RandySF May 2016 #54
Point out where I pretended it was a new statement please. Autumn May 2016 #56
You didn't. But others seem to have gotten the impression it was new. onenote May 2016 #74
That poster didn't point it out to other people the response was to me. nt Autumn May 2016 #75
She could have helped him if she just came out and endorsed him. Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #52
I understand why she hasn't endorsed anyone. She will endorse and support whoever Autumn May 2016 #55
Well, I'm disappointed, if in fact true, in her decision to wait. Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #58
Maybe she knows something others do not and chose not to endorse. nt fun n serious May 2016 #86
Maybe that's just speculation. Fantastic Anarchist May 2016 #91
Yes. Speculation fun n serious May 2016 #92
WooHoo libodem May 2016 #65
Joining the HIGHLY RECOMMENDED! MrMickeysMom May 2016 #93
Me too Elizabeth! lonestarnot May 2016 #98
Thank you Elizabeth and so are we. jwirr May 2016 #100
I am good with whatever Warren does - unless she were to be named as Hillary's VP choice. djean111 May 2016 #101
That would be my line in the sand. The articles from March Autumn May 2016 #102
Wow, isn't she a real fighter for the people. Cheering Bernine on. Skwmom May 2016 #104
You and me both, Senator!!! KansDem May 2016 #106
To me its all about the issues. Is this election about Progressive or Center, democratic principles? DhhD May 2016 #108
Elizabeth Warren has not shown the courage I thought she had. We don't need cheerleaders. DrBulldog May 2016 #109
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