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Gothmog

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67. The reasons that McGovern lost are not on the poster
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 03:40 PM
Sep 2015

The reason that McGovern lost are the same factors facing Sanders such as (a) not being in the mainstream, (b) not being well financed, (c) having a message that is easy to attack in negative ads and (d) facing a candidate with more resources. McGovern had a great deal of passion from the anti-war people who were worried about Vietnam. That passion reminds me of the passion of the passion of the Sanders supporters on the issue of income inequality.

Passion by itself is not sufficient. McGovern was the candidate that Nixon selected to run against and Howdy Gowdy and company are trying the same trick in this election. McGovern was to the left of the country according to the polling and so it was easy for Nixon to brand him as a lefty who was not in the mainstream. Sanders is a proud socialist but that term polls poorly and it is not hard to make that term radioactive with enough negative ads. McGovern ran as an outsider and so is Sanders. That campaign does not work so well in the 1972 general election and I am not comfortable with that campaign given the stakes in this race.

This Ain't 1972 [View all] demwing Jun 2015 OP
I read that the other day too, silly it was. randys1 Jun 2015 #1
correct me if I'm wrong but in 1972 a woman couldn't enroll in Yale. roguevalley Jun 2015 #11
That was the year "The Godfather" came out.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #18
FWIW, the jowls were Brando's own idea. merrily Jun 2015 #34
He did a great job on that role. Especially when you consider his other big role that year.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #35
I never saw that. Every actor I've heard speak of him says he was a genius actor, though. merrily Jun 2015 #37
I don't think it's ever been on cable. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #41
Actually, Yale admitted its first women undergraduates in 1969 Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2015 #23
You're wrong... k8conant Feb 2016 #76
I also did, but don't think I got a response.. what's the possibility I missed something? Volaris Jun 2015 #15
Yes! rbnyc Jun 2015 #28
I agree Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #73
Whoa!! very good! wendylaroux Jun 2015 #2
On June 17, 1972, Nixon's henchmen were burglarizing Democratic HQ in Watergate building LiberalEsto Jun 2015 #3
You're missing one important change jeff47 Jun 2015 #4
Damn straight! onecaliberal Jun 2015 #5
We also won't be running against an incumbent Doctor_J Jun 2015 #6
Huge K&R! MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #7
Heck, IMO Bernie is MORE electable in the general election than HRC... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Jun 2015 #8
I definitely agree with that - n/t dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #49
saying a lot heaven05 Jun 2015 #9
1972 I was eighteen. Unknown Beatle Jun 2015 #10
Right On, Brother!!! Thespian2 Jun 2015 #12
Fuckin' A Bubba! Fuddnik Jun 2015 #13
excellent post! barbtries Jun 2015 #14
Presidential incumbency carries a lot of weight in an election rurallib Jun 2015 #16
how about walter mondale 1984 captainarizona Jun 2015 #17
This is the populist reform group, not the Hillary Room. merrily Jun 2015 #38
Well I was going to post some differences too AndreaCG Jun 2015 #52
You mean they didn't try to claim it's like Dukakis? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #19
Silly season starts earlier every election cycle. n/t Cracklin Charlie Jun 2015 #20
Yup. People started asking me to say I would vote for Hillary almost a year ago. merrily Jun 2015 #39
I have been quite impressed SmittynMo Jun 2015 #21
That's a very nice comment demwing Jun 2015 #29
This is the one thing that worries me about the difference between now and 1972 dflprincess Jun 2015 #22
Then we'll repeat the election from 4 years previous. jeff47 Jun 2015 #30
And poor old Hubert was a better choice in '68 dflprincess Jun 2015 #33
"Democrats are not worried about the left. The left has nowhere else to go." merrily Jun 2015 #45
1972 was when average family income peaked; also the value of the minimum wage eridani Jun 2015 #24
Well struck! immoderate Jun 2015 #32
After World War II and the Korean War, the war tax continued. merrily Jun 2015 #46
I believe that 1974 was my top year... k8conant Feb 2016 #77
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Great post! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #25
The generation that fought WWII isn't watching its offspring burn their draft cards and merrily Jun 2015 #26
Funny thing about these McGovern warnings... rbnyc Jun 2015 #27
Yes, that is the rationale jeff47 Jun 2015 #31
Also, she is obviously (to me, anyway) the choice of the Party and some merrily Jun 2015 #40
I don't know if he himself was inspirational. merrily Jun 2015 #36
Did anyone mention the war, Eagleton, a Democratic Congress and these other things? merrily Jun 2015 #42
So as Nixon had a perfect storm in 1972 demwing Jun 2015 #43
You're welcome. merrily Jun 2015 #44
kick kentuck Jun 2015 #47
Recommend madokie Jun 2015 #48
Yes things are very different now dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #50
K&R Scuba Jun 2015 #51
k&R azmom Jun 2015 #53
So much truth. hifiguy Jun 2015 #54
K&R! peacebird Jun 2015 #55
K & R x 1,000,000 Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #56
I was going to say "you are so right" passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #57
k & r. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #58
A DUer whose posts I cannot find right now pointed out to me that Rove used both merrily Aug 2015 #59
Great post, we could add a few more things to that list, but I think you made the point with this sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #60
Sanders campaign reminds me of McGovern Gothmog Sep 2015 #61
So support Hillary demwing Sep 2015 #62
According to that online quiz/test, Sanders is closer to my views than Hillary Gothmog Sep 2015 #63
Right, and that explains why you're comparing Bernie to McGovern demwing Sep 2015 #64
I worked on and remember the McGovern campaign Gothmog Sep 2015 #65
Are you saying that these are the reasons McGovern lost? demwing Sep 2015 #66
The reasons that McGovern lost are not on the poster Gothmog Sep 2015 #67
Nixon won demwing Sep 2015 #68
Really? Gothmog Sep 2015 #69
We do. It's loads of fun. Sleep well supporting Hillary. merrily Sep 2015 #71
+1 merrily Sep 2015 #70
+1 Jenny_92808 Feb 2016 #74
No worries here. chervilant Dec 2015 #72
People are still, just about daily, LiberalElite Feb 2016 #75
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