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OnyxCollie

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59. Everyone acts in good faith...
Wed Jun 1, 2016, 04:18 PM
Jun 2016
-WASHINGTON, May 17 — Paul D. Wolfowitz, ending a furor over favoritism that blew up into a global fight over American leadership, announced his resignation as president of the World Bank Thursday evening after the bank’s board accepted his claim that his mistakes at the bank were made in good faith.

In the carefully negotiated statement, the bank board praised Mr. Wolfowitz for his two years of service, particularly for his work in arranging debt relief and pressing for more assistance to poor countries, especially in Africa. They also cited Mr. Wolfowitz’s work in combating corruption, his signature issue.

Mr. Bush surprised them by selecting Mr. Wolfowitz, then a deputy secretary of defense and an architect of the Iraq war. Leaders of Germany and France objected but decided not to make a fight over the choice and risk reopening wounds from their opposition to the war two years earlier.

Mr. Wolfowitz’s after-tax salary was $391,440 beginning July 1, 2005. (Weisman, 2007)


Letter from Ashcroft, Goldsmith, Comey, and Philbin to Sens. Pat Leahy and Arlen Spector
ashcroft_goldsmith_comey_and_philbin_to_pjl1
October 29, 2007

The Honorable Patrick J. Leahy
Chairman, Committee on the Judiciary
The Honorable Arlen Specter
Ranking Member, Committee on the Judiciary
United States Senate
Washington, D.C. 20510


Protecting carriers who allegedly responded to the government's call for assistance in the wake of the devastating attacks of September 11, 2001 and during the continuing threat of further attacks is simply the right thing to do. When corporations are asked to assist the intelligence community based on a program authorized by the President himself and based on assurances that the program has been determined to be lawful at the highest levels of the Executive Branch, they should be able to rely on those representations and accept the determinations of the Government as to the legality of their actions. The common law has long recognized immunity for private citizens who respond to a call for assistance from a public officer in the course of his duty. The salutary purpose of such a rule is to recognize that private persons should be encouraged to offer assistance to a public officer in a crisis and should not be held accountable if it later turns out that the public officer made a mistake. That principle surely applies here, especially given the limited nature of the immunity contemplated in the bill, which would apply only where carriers were told that a program was authorized by the President and determined to be lawful.

Failing to provide immunity to the carriers will produce perverse incentives that risk damage to our national security. If carriers now named in lawsuits are not protected for any actions they allegedly may have taken in good faith reliance on representations from the Government, both telecommunications carriers and other corporations in the future will think twice before assisting any agency of the intelligence community seeking information. In the fight against terrorism, information private companies have - particularly in the telecommunications field - is a vital resource to the Nation. If immunity is not provided, it is likely that, in the future, the private sector will not provide assistance swiftly and willingly, and critical time in obtaining information will be lost. We wholeheartedly agree with the assessment of the report accompanying the bill from SSCI: "The possible reduction in intelligence that might result from this delay is simply unacceptable for the safety of our Nation." S. Rep. 110-209, at 11.


Mike Duncan
Chairman
Republican National Committee
3 10 First Street, SE
Washington, DC 20003

April 18, 2007

To date, the Committee has received none of the information referenced above. Although staff met with RNC counsel and has communicated with RNC counsel by phone and email, the RNC still has not identified the "roughly 50" White House officials who held RNC accounts. And despite several requests, the RNC has not provided any details about the number of RNC e-mails sent or received by White House officials. This is elementary information that should already have been provided to the Committee.

Instead of providing this information, the RNC counsel has proposed to limit the Committee's request by using narrow "search terms" to identify e-mails relevant to the Committee's investigation. On Monday, RNC counsel proposed eight search terms, such as "political briefing," "Hatch Act," and "2008." While the "search term" approach was offered in good faith by the RNC counsel, it presents some serious problems. For example, the search terms proposed by the RNC would not have located a January 19,2007, e-mail from an official in Karl Rove's office to an official at the General Services Administration transmitting a copy of Powerpoint slides prepared by the White House that list the top 20 Democratic targets in 2008. That e-mail read: "Please do not email this out or let people see it. It is a close hold and we're not supposed to be emailing it around."'

Using search terms to limit the number of documents to be produced risks overlooking potentially responsive documents. The volume of e-mails involved may make resort to search terms necessary. But before the Committee can assess whether a search-term approach is required in this case - and whether it is required for every White House official or only some of them - the Committee needs basic facts about the scope and nature of the e-mails preserved on RNC servers. The Committee staff reasonably requested a meeting tomorrow to discuss these issues, but this request was unreasonably rejected. In fact, the RNC counsel stated that no meeting would occur until the Committee agreed to limiting search terms. This is not an acceptable proposal.

Sincerely,
Henry A. Waxman
Chairman


’The Nacchio materials suggest that the NSA had sought telco cooperation even before 9/11 undermines the primary argument for letting the phone companies off the hook, which is the claim that they were simply acting in good faith after 9/11,’ said Kevin Bankston, a staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a civil liberties group.” (Vuong, 2007).


Holder Says He Will Not Permit the Criminalization of Policy Differences
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=7410267&page=1

As lawmakers call for hearings and debate brews over forming commissions to examine the Bush administration's policies on harsh interrogation techniques, Attorney General Eric Holder confirmed to a House panel that intelligence officials who relied on legal advice from the Bush-era Justice Department would not be prosecuted.

"Those intelligence community officials who acted reasonably and in good faith and in reliance on Department of Justice opinions are not going to be prosecuted," he told members of a House Appropriations Subcommittee, reaffirming the White House sentiment. "It would not be fair, in my view, to bring such prosecutions."


Here's Bybee's legal opinion:

Section 2340A makes it a criminal offense for any person "outside of the United States {to} commit or attempt to commit torture." Section 2340(1) defines torture as:

an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody of physical control.


18 U.S.C. § 2340(1). As we outlined in our opinion on standards of conduct under Section 2340A, a violation of 2340A requires a showing that: (1) the torture occurred outside the United States; (2) the defendant acted under the color of law; (3) the victim was within the defendant's custody or control; (4) the defendant specifically intended to inflict severe pain or suffering; and (5) that the act inflicted severe pain or suffering.

Section 2340 is pain that is difficult for the individual to endure and is of an intensity akin to the pain accompanying serious physical injury.

We next consider whether the use of these techniques would inflict severe mental pain or suffering within the meaning of Section 2340. Section 2340 defines severe mental pain or suffering as "the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from" one of several predicate acts. 18 U.S.C. § 2340(2). Those predicate acts are: (1) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering; (2) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application of mind altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality; (3) the threat of imminent death; or (4) the threat that any of the preceding acts will be done to another person. See 18 U,S.C. § 2340(2XA}-{D), As we have explained, this list of predicate acts is exclusive, See Section 2340A Memorandum at 8. No other acts can support a charge under Section 2340A based on the infliction of severe mental pain or suffering. See id. Thus, if the methods that you have described do not either in and of themselves constitute one of these acts or as a course of conduct fulfill the predicate act requirement, the prohibition has not been violated. See id.

Specific Intent. To violate the statute, an individual must have the specific intent to inflict severe pain or suffering. Because specific intent is an element of the offense, the absence of specific intent negates the charge of torture. As we previously opined, to have the required specific intent, an individual must expressly intend to cause such severe pain or suffering. See Section 2340A Memorandum at 3 citing Carter v. United States, 530 U.S. 255, 267 (2000). We have further found that if a defendant acts with the good faith belief that his actions will not cause such suffering, he has not acted with specific intent. See id. at 4 citing South Atl. Lmtd. Ptrshp. of Tenn. v. Reise, 218 F.3d 518, 531 (4th Cir. 2002). A defendant acts in good faith when he has an honest belief that his actions will not result in severe pain or suffering. See id. citing Cheek v. United States, 498 U.S. 192, 202 (1991). Although an honest belief need not be reasonable, such a belief is easier to establish where there is a reasonable basis for it. See id. at 5. Good faith may be established by, among other things, the reliance of the advice of experts. See id at 8.

Furthermore, no specific intent to cause severe mental pain or suffering appears to be present. As we explained in our recent opinion, an individual must have the specific intent to cause prolonged mental harm in order to have the specific intent to inflict severe mental pain or suffering. See Section 2340A Memorandum at 3. Prolonged mental harm is substantial mental harm of a sustained duration, e.g~ harm lasting months or even years after the acts were inflicted upon the prisoner. As we indicated above, a good faith belief can negate this element. Accordingly, if an individual conducting the interrogation has a good faith belief that the procedures he will apply, separately or together, would not result in prolonged mental harm, that individual lacks the requisite specific intent. This conclusion concerning specific intent is further bolstered by the due diligence that has been conducted concerning the effects of these interrogation procedures.


Kristol Calls On Bush To Pardon Torturers And Wiretappers, Reward Them With Medal Of Freedom
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2008/11/29/32970/kristol-medal-torture/

In his new Weekly Standard column, right-wing pundit Bill Kristol lays out a to-do list for President Bush before he leaves office. He urges Bush to deliver speeches “reminding Americans of our successes fighting the war on terror.” Kristol dreams, “Over time, Bush might even get deserved credit for effective conduct of the war on terror.”

After urging Bush to fight the incoming administration’s desire to close Guantanamo, Kristol concludes with this:

One last thing: Bush should consider pardoning–and should at least be vociferously praising–everyone who served in good faith in the war on terror, but whose deeds may now be susceptible to demagogic or politically inspired prosecution by some seeking to score political points. The lawyers can work out if such general or specific preemptive pardons are possible; it may be that the best Bush can or should do is to warn publicly against any such harassment or prosecution. But the idea is this: The CIA agents who waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and the NSA officials who listened in on phone calls from Pakistan, should not have to worry about legal bills or public defamation. In fact, Bush might want to give some of these public servants the Medal of Freedom at the same time he bestows the honor on Generals Petraeus and Odierno. They deserve it.

In the Bush era, the Medal of Freedom has come to absurdly represent a reward for those who carried out policy failures at the urging of the Bush administration. By this standard, the implementers of torture and warrantless wiretapping certainly qualify for such a medal.


...except unlawful enemy combatants.

Military Law Review
Winter, 2007
194 Mil. L. Rev. 66

A MATTER OF DISCIPLINE AND SECURITY: PROSECUTING SERIOUS CRIMINAL OFFENSES COMMITTED IN U.S. DETENTION FACILITIES ABROAD

MAJOR PATRICK D. PFLAUM

~snip~

In addition to the considerations set out in the Geneva Conventions, AR 190-8, and the Manual for Courts-Martial (MCM), there are three {*85} other important factors in determining an appropriate disposition of offenses. First, in the case of unlawful enemy combatants, one of the arguments for leniency--that misconduct is often driven by "honorable motives"--may not apply. n123 A number of those detained are alleged to have participated in some part of the War on Terror as unlawful combatants, and may be seeking to continue their unlawful activities. n124 A detainee's escape and subsequent reunion with hostile forces may have more consequence, considering the nature of the War on Terror. There are several documented cases of released detainees continuing hostile activities against U.S. or coalition forces. n125 Second, the leniency rationale for escape attempts does not necessarily apply either. n126 Considering that he was detained for conduct that is considered illegal under international law, an alien unlawful enemy combatant escaping from the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay is more akin to a prisoner escaping from a federal penitentiary, rather than a POW escaping from a POW camp. Again, a detainee's escape and continued aggression as an unlawful combatant may be of more consequence, considering the unconventional nature of the War on Terror. Third, it is logical that a disciplinary punishment, like the loss of a comfort item or a privilege, may have more of an impact on a detainee facing indefinite detention or serving a lengthy military commission sentence, rather than continued {*86} confinement adjudged as a judicial punishment. In deciding which punishment is appropriate, many considerations may often conflict.

THE HARD CHOICE [View all] rhett o rick Jun 2016 OP
Because you can't accept her admission about being wrong, doesn't diminish the fact that she said it tonyt53 Jun 2016 #1
Best case is she was wrong. That means she has terrible judgement. That's her best case. Scuba Jun 2016 #2
That means she has terrible judgement. That's her best case. AlbertCat Jun 2016 #13
Then so do all the other Senators on the list treestar Jun 2016 #64
Agreed. Scuba Jun 2016 #66
People over 55 remember lies fbc Jun 2016 #5
It wasn't all of us. cannabis_flower Jun 2016 #27
I'm over 55 too and didn't fall for the lies. I've always voted dem. mudstump Jun 2016 #35
I'm 74 and remember millions of people marching worldwide WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2016 #52
And I was one of the marchers! ReRe Jun 2016 #70
And our Senators and Congressmen now enjoy a nine% approval rating. Enthusiast Jun 2016 #73
Me too. On all counts. Except for Dennis. But only because Dennis was already eliminated before the Enthusiast Jun 2016 #71
before Reagan, college was free in Cali. thanks for endorsing Reagan. ish of the hammer Jun 2016 #10
The world has changed since then jmowreader Jun 2016 #46
yes, you are right, the rich are getting even more rich, the MIC commands even more of our ish of the hammer Jun 2016 #62
Massive plus one! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #76
AND the jobs for the future are getting more expensive to train people to do jmowreader Jun 2016 #86
no, you need to lower or eliminate education costs, you need single payer health larkrake Jun 2016 #89
I'd be happy with "as good as". which we do not have, ish of the hammer Jun 2016 #97
What does that mean, jmowreader? ReRe Jun 2016 #72
I'm 73. Tuition was low and health care insurance was mostly non-profit and thus cheaper when I was JDPriestly Jun 2016 #11
+1000 denvine Jun 2016 #20
+ 1001 nt abelenkpe Jun 2016 #33
We have lost so much, so sad. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2016 #53
And the military actions have only enriched the few already wealthy while destabilizing Enthusiast Jun 2016 #78
+1,002 ReRe Jun 2016 #54
Anything other than laissez-faire dog-eat-dog unfettered capitalism klook Jun 2016 #57
Right on! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #79
+1 a whole bunch. Enthusiast Jun 2016 #77
She didnt sound sincere in the least larkrake Jun 2016 #23
That is one of my biggest problems with her Scalded Nun Jun 2016 #37
Of course it's not a risk to follow Bernie's policies WHEN CRABS ROAR Jun 2016 #74
You pretty much nailed it. Enthusiast Jun 2016 #80
That is one of the things that has always seemed apparent to me, but japple Jun 2016 #100
Where the hell are you guys coming from? April 2016 and 800+ posts? Phlem Jun 2016 #41
Well said! bearssoapbox Jun 2016 #51
Hear, hear, hear, hear and Hear!!!! eom ReRe Jun 2016 #68
Huge +1! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #82
Thank you Phlem larkrake Jun 2016 #88
You haven't heard anything from the GOP about Bernie being a pnwmom Jun 2016 #91
That's only part of it. murielm99 Jun 2016 #104
The world NEVER faced "communism everyday" basselope Jun 2016 #47
she "thought" she acted in good faith tk2kewl Jun 2016 #58
work for it like the rest of us.... ciaobaby Jun 2016 #81
""I thought I had' acted' in good faith'' Ichingcarpenter Jun 2016 #3
Everyone acts in good faith... OnyxCollie Jun 2016 #59
Fucking sickening. Enthusiast Jun 2016 #84
I doubt if the conservative Democrats would even read what you posted. Their life is simple, rhett o rick Jun 2016 #101
Perfect! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #83
Excellent post MissDeeds Jun 2016 #4
Well, fuck me. Hillary paid her dues, working for the party... Debbie, Nancy and all the loyal party Hoppy Jun 2016 #6
She paid her dues? WTF? rhett o rick Jun 2016 #17
yes, to join THAT club, you have to sell your soul larkrake Jun 2016 #25
Obama quote - 2008, "You're likable enough, Hillary." Hoppy Jun 2016 #75
always the gentleman, that Obama larkrake Jun 2016 #87
Many people who do not like Hillary also paid their dues. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #56
I think he was being sarcastic. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #106
Hat tip libodem Jun 2016 #7
She still doesn't explain her "hard" choices. She just flicks them away. marble falls Jun 2016 #8
She says she made a mistake, but what was the mistake? Putting corp profits before rhett o rick Jun 2016 #15
Or putting her time in to run for the inevitable run for the Oval? marble falls Jun 2016 #18
"mistake" = not haveing to accept responsiblilty Phlem Jun 2016 #43
Great post. KPN Jun 2016 #9
Hard Choices zalinda Jun 2016 #12
Her decisions are not personal, they are just business. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #16
HRC's Iraqi war vote Iwillnevergiveup Jun 2016 #14
But it's not just the "Iraqi war vote" Ferd Berfel Jun 2016 #22
there's a backstory to it that explains even her speech MisterP Jun 2016 #19
Hooo-kay. MH1 Jun 2016 #21
Now THERE'S an idea (your hint)! maddiemom Jun 2016 #24
I want whatever your taking. Ah to just always vote Democrat and not at all be bothered by rhett o rick Jun 2016 #30
+1 Spot on. Phlem Jun 2016 #44
When was the last time you saw a Republican presidential candidate MH1 Jun 2016 #113
First of all we are still in the Primary. Second, I wonder if you've ever gotten rhett o rick Jun 2016 #114
No lmbradford Jun 2016 #112
knr nt retrowire Jun 2016 #26
I only just discovered this group. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #28
Thanks. I hope this Group is a place where Progressive can discuss issues with rhett o rick Jun 2016 #108
Like Skinner said, get it outta your system.....nt msanthrope Jun 2016 #29
Yes and since he is the ruler of DU it's his way or the hiway. But how sad that you know so rhett o rick Jun 2016 #34
msanthrope.... democrank Jun 2016 #38
You seem to think "get it out of your system" is a reposnse to those who msanthrope Jun 2016 #55
In fairness then, Skinner should change the name of this place to ... GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #110
The PNACers were selling war in Iraq to Clinton in 1998. He LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #31
she repeated the 9-11 lies and there were 30 MILLION marching against it MisterP Jun 2016 #36
The Hillary bought into the lies defense is the worst LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #40
it's the Iran-Contra dilemma: if Reagan was complicit he should be removed, if he was uninvolved MisterP Jun 2016 #42
Oh Jesus, Nancy....She'd have her LibDemAlways Jun 2016 #48
almost every decision during the "Ronald" Reagan presidency was made through Joan Quigley MisterP Jun 2016 #49
She didn't "trust" them, she agreed with their agenda and has been aptly rewarded since. nm rhett o rick Jun 2016 #107
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #32
reform inside of the Democratic Party will be a slow process... NoMoreRepugs Jun 2016 #39
K&R! Thank you for this excellent post. Phlem Jun 2016 #45
It's EASY to go with the status quo felix_numinous Jun 2016 #50
Nice! Enthusiast Jun 2016 #85
hypocrisy, obfuscation, and faux poutrage. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #60
On a side tangent regarding that chart.. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #61
Right! Kerry in 2004 and Biden in 2008/12 treestar Jun 2016 #65
Very few people supported the war in Iraq, we all knew it was a lie from the start, only a few larkrake Jun 2016 #90
You are wrong. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #93
I dont consider poles as fact larkrake Jun 2016 #96
Climate deniers also decline to accept available evidence. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #99
In shock, many in Congress voted to go into Afghanistan larkrake Jun 2016 #92
Orly? It's the speech is it? Amimnoch Jun 2016 #94
Kerry is not in this primary larkrake Jun 2016 #95
So.. You have nothing. Amimnoch Jun 2016 #98
She was wrong. What does it matter how many others were wrong? She saw the rhett o rick Jun 2016 #105
"We only want to protect our women, what does it matter if we hate transgenders or not?" Amimnoch Jun 2016 #109
The years since that vote provide more context for it Babel_17 Jun 2016 #63
K&R ReRe Jun 2016 #67
K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations. Enthusiast Jun 2016 #69
I truly don't understand how politicians... Rockyj Jun 2016 #102
I honestly don't understand it either. How can Clinton-Sachs put MIC profits ahead of rhett o rick Jun 2016 #103
It's no wonder why she didnt name her book ... GeorgeGist Jun 2016 #111
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