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Populist Reform of the Democratic Party

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merrily

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Wed Apr 15, 2015, 12:02 AM Apr 2015

Does the Party discourage primaries and, if so, how realistic is populist reform? [View all]

I am far, far more of a replier than a thread starter. However, some of my replies can be OP's. So, I may be re-posting some them in this group, unless one or more hosts think that inappropriate.

Everything that follows in this OP follows is the body of a reply that I posted a few minutes ago in GD, here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026508711#post33

Since McGovern, a faction within the Party sought to take the choice for a nominee out of the hands of primary voters. That was when Super Delegates were first proposed, but turned down. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate#History

When Carter lost, the meme became that Carter lost to Reagan because of a primary challenge by Kennedy. Although that is a ludicrous claim, apparently, it "took." So, when Mondale also lost to Reagan, the proponents of Super Delegates were able to get the Party to adopt that policy. But, think about the ramifications of actually holding a primary for about a year, then having Super Delegates override the vote. It would be far easier for the Party just to use choose the candidate and then use the primary for the benefit of the chosen one. (Maybe, eventually, they'll just do away with an expensive primary entirely?)

We had no primary in 2012, but there is no incumbent this time. They've simply been treating Hillary as though she were an incumbent.


A post of mine from almost a full year ago:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1265&pid=1223

All I will say at this early date is, I want a real primary, damn it.

First, the Democrats come up with Super Delegates, so that if primary voters choose a liberal, the party PTB can overrule all of primary season. Now, they've come up with the self fulfilling "foregone conclusion" propaganda, unanimously touting Hillary as the winner, with the help of all the party pundits and strategists on TV and radio and the MSNBC anchors.

I began noticing this in the early fall of 2012. I even saw all those "Tell Hillary you want her to run" things online that far back. (LOL, as if anyone had to persuade her?)

When that kind of coordination exists more than four years before a Presidential election, the workings of the Democratic Party certainly don't seem to me to be as democratic as I expect them to be. IMO, single candidate primaries are almost as bad as single candidate elections.

Just one example. Recently, Chris Matthews was giving Christie another well-deserved bashing. However, Matthews referred to Christie as the only one who could have given Hillary any trouble. Not the only one who could have given the next Democratic Presidential nominee any trouble, but the only one who could have given Hillary any trouble.

Who the fuck are Matthews and the rest of the propaganda team to spend three or more years brainwashing everyone to believe that Hillary is the inevitable nominee? Why are they the "deciders" now? And do they think no one notices those tactics?

I thought an advantage of registering as a Democrat was the privilege of choosing a nominee from a real field of qualified people. Not gesture of a vote, but a vote that actually means something.

When the democratic is back in the Democratic Party process, I'll get excited. For now, I want the brainwashing attempts to stop and my party to start acting democratic.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1265&pid=1223

More recently, I posted about comments Senator Schumer, Governor Brown and Barney Frank saying no one should challenge Hillary in a primary and also a statement from Schumer saying that, when he took over the DSCC in 2005, he made avoiding primaries the official policy of that committee. Moreover, a number of people in a position to know what goes on with the Party have written urging a real primary.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=401152
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You should post ALL THE TIME! marym625 Apr 2015 #1
THANKS, merrily Apr 2015 #4
I don't host but I will be happy if you do. marym625 Apr 2015 #5
I know, right? I've never been tempted to do a GBCW post, but I have merrily Apr 2015 #7
I completely understand marym625 Apr 2015 #8
I've been telling myself to cut back or stop as well. RiverLover Apr 2015 #23
Please don't stop or cut back. Enthusiast Apr 2015 #28
I whomeheartly agree. mylye2222 Apr 2015 #2
voted write in for myself in a primary once. willing to do it again if you think it will help lol nt msongs Apr 2015 #3
I appreciate that msongs and your idea has great possiblities. merrily Apr 2015 #6
Me too marym625 Apr 2015 #10
This has promise as a movement for the 99%! merrily Apr 2015 #12
Love it! marym625 Apr 2015 #24
msongs was talking about a write in for the primary. merrily Apr 2015 #25
I think, if he doesn't run, a grassroots campaign to write him in marym625 Apr 2015 #26
I never saw anything like this in my life either. merrily Apr 2015 #29
Did you post the Schumer Democracy Now interview? marym625 Apr 2015 #39
I don't know if it's meant anything for a long time. merrily Apr 2015 #38
+1000 marym625 Apr 2015 #40
Please... what is DSCC? mylye2222 Apr 2015 #9
No worries. You can't even know from googling DSCC merrily Apr 2015 #11
So tgis "skip primaries" was from 2005. mylye2222 Apr 2015 #13
Mmm. careful. Remember schumer is a politican. He knows how to say things. merrily Apr 2015 #14
In this OP check DUer Karynnjs post not far from OP below in responses. mylye2222 Apr 2015 #15
Can we please not bring anything about Kerry here? I know you and karennj are great fans of his, merrily Apr 2015 #16
OK I understand. mylye2222 Apr 2015 #17
It's not my having an issue with Kerry. It's exactly what I said in Reply 16. merrily Apr 2015 #18
I know merrily. mylye2222 Apr 2015 #20
I wholeheartedly agree on the Party machine mylye2222 Apr 2015 #19
A reform is definitely needed mylye2222 Apr 2015 #21
Thing is, they reform themselves toward less and less say by us. merrily Apr 2015 #22
Wouldn't writing in require a hand count aspirant Apr 2015 #36
Dunno. Boston uses paper ballots and allows write ins, though a machine somehow reads? merrily Apr 2015 #37
The point is to move the Democratic Party and the GOP both to the Right. leveymg Apr 2015 #27
Yes. That's why the Koch brothers funded both the DLC and the Tea Party. merrily Apr 2015 #31
+1 AND, Schumer will ascend with Reid's blessings! Cosmic Kitten Apr 2015 #33
The Ohio party has for some time frozen out most of us. riqster Apr 2015 #30
Glad things are loosening up. Make noise! I wish you well in getting merrily Apr 2015 #32
Nope. The party does as it pleases. riqster Apr 2015 #34
Guess it's still 1880. Too bad. merrily Apr 2015 #35
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