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Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
48. Suppose a Vermonter who had never run for public office wanted to run in the NY primary?
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 10:45 PM
Jun 2015

Suppose there were an Eisenhower type living in Vermont -- no record in electoral politics but commanding enormous respect and admiration. (No, Donald, I'm not talking about you.) There would be no basis for saying that such a person was eligible for any primary in New York.

With Sanders, the situation is that, in his last Senate election, he won the Democratic primary but declined the nomination. (This was a deal with the Democratic Party leadership.) Thus he appeared on the ballot only as an Independent but not running against any Democrat. As I mentioned, though, he's recorded as a Democrat in the Senate for procedural purposes.

So, what's the eligibility criterion in New York (and other states with such laws) -- individual registration, ballot line in most recent election if any, ballot line in any election anytime, categorization in public office, other? You're assuming it's the second but there's probably no basis for that answer in the law. There's probably no basis for any answer. It amounts to asking what the Legislature intended on a subject that never even crossed a single legislator's mind. New York has party registration. Nobody was thinking about the one outlier case (Presidential primary) when a non-New Yorker might run.

Another issue is whether Sanders or O'Malley or Chafee or any other candidate from outside New York would even be running at all. For any other office, the candidates run in a primary, and the winner is the nominee. This primary, though, doesn't pick the Democratic nominee for President. It elects delegates who'll go to the Convention. Maybe the non-New Yorker candidates are OK, regardless of party registration issues, as long as all their delegates are registered Democrats. (If Hillary Clinton wants to be a delegate, she'd presumably have to prove her party registration, but she might choose not to be a delegate.)

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As sooon as Bernie announced UNOFFICIALLY, the Democratic Party began raising money off his run. merrily Jun 2015 #1
Can't imagine they'll keep him off marym625 Jun 2015 #2
New Democrats, you know..... Enthusiast Jun 2015 #62
yep. marym625 Jun 2015 #63
I am sorry, are you insinuating that they have integrity? Getting H.Clinton into the WH is the rhett o rick Jun 2015 #67
No, I am insinuating they don't. marym625 Jun 2015 #68
My "are you insinuating" was meant as sarcasm. We agree here. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #69
oh! Sorry. my bad marym625 Jun 2015 #70
NP. I have to be careful with my unidentified sarcasm. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #71
Maybe we should use the marym625 Jun 2015 #74
Yep. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #75
I'm in NY and I just signed - LiberalElite Jun 2015 #3
+1 daleanime Jun 2015 #7
Is that constitutional? pscot Jun 2015 #4
I'm not a scholar on this subject, but SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #16
Short answer: Yes. n/t ColesCountyDem Jun 2015 #26
Not surprised BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #5
Changing your affiliation doesn't accomplish much. Jim Lane Jun 2015 #15
Well, I already don't give them money, so it's all I've got BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #17
Correct awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #33
Doubt he will get on Oklahoma Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #6
Wouldn't switching his party affiliation fix that? You know, re-register as a Democrat? CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2015 #8
It's far from clear that he can switch Jim Lane Jun 2015 #12
If what you are saying is correct, then in theory . . . markpkessinger Jun 2015 #23
Howard Dean was on the ballot karynnj Jun 2015 #37
How could Howard Dean have been a 'Democratic' governor . . . markpkessinger Jun 2015 #38
Dean ran on the Democratic line; Sanders didn't karynnj Jun 2015 #44
Suppose a Vermonter who had never run for public office wanted to run in the NY primary? Jim Lane Jun 2015 #48
I think you're too optimistic about the timing. Jim Lane Jun 2015 #47
If Bernie gets rolled by those tactics, Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #52
Same here, and we would be far from alone. It would be very foolish for them to be that blatant sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #56
Whether he gets "rolled" or not you still have the same decision. But I recommend that rhett o rick Jun 2015 #72
Wherever the masses are, brother, Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #34
Vermont has no concept of party that they recognize. hootinholler Jun 2015 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #35
Signed! Faux pas Jun 2015 #9
and I used to think only Republicons cheated corkhead Jun 2015 #10
There are republican calling themselves democrats. Vincardog Jun 2015 #66
Where are those WallStreet Banks located again? /nt think Jun 2015 #11
^^^ L0oniX Jun 2015 #25
Wouldn't it be easier for him Control-Z Jun 2015 #13
Read post 12 rpannier Jun 2015 #14
VT doesn't have party-based registration. So he can't. jeff47 Jun 2015 #61
Signed. eggplant Jun 2015 #18
Nothing at all like Nite Owl Jun 2015 #49
We've got a fucked up law in Florida too. Fuddnik Jun 2015 #19
He caucuses with the D's in the US Senate Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #20
Do you believe Hillary is doing this? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #21
Former senator for the state of NY? Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #32
I'm sure she wouldn't promise anyone anything either..... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #36
They Wouldn't Dare... WillyT Jun 2015 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author jwirr Jun 2015 #24
Signed. zentrum Jun 2015 #27
Signed, sealed, delivered. :) SmittynMo Jun 2015 #29
Signed. DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #30
Playing that game will infuriate so many of us. There's a danger to that. madfloridian Jun 2015 #31
This sort of obstacle is what crippled the McGovern campaign RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #39
Well that is why there is the write in option. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #40
I would imagine that the various state parties have gotten their orders from the DNC to do all they dflprincess Jun 2015 #41
This would destroy the democratic party fbc Jun 2015 #42
In a Leninist sense, Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #54
It would create a war within the party, and I would almost bet on a republican still_one Jun 2015 #78
Take it as a backhanded compliment RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #43
Try it...and there WILL be consequences. SoapBox Jun 2015 #46
If this comes to pass, the Democratic Party TM99 Jun 2015 #50
And I think those that enact these rules probably need armed guards to follow them too... cascadiance Jun 2015 #60
Signed! retrowire Jun 2015 #51
What would show Hillary's leadership qualities more than insisting Bernie Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #53
No, I'm fairly sure that she will speak out.... daleanime Jun 2015 #73
LOL! nt Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #79
If they keep Bernie off the ballot in New York, they will be sounding the Party's death knell. Maedhros Jun 2015 #55
Agree. They will certainly be showing the true colors of the new Dem Party leadership cui bono Jun 2015 #58
Yes. I agree it would shred the Party. glinda Jun 2015 #64
However, the Party has been playing us for chumps for a few election cycles now, Maedhros Jun 2015 #65
Signed SamKnause Jun 2015 #57
Maybe we can push for laws in other states keeping candidates who go over an amount of funding... cascadiance Jun 2015 #59
Smart to let him on HassleCat Jun 2015 #76
Exactly right; Clinton beat Obama by 17 points in the NY primary BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #80
No way. NH does not have party registration and Bernie is running as a Democrat still_one Jun 2015 #77
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