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SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
229. No. In this country an independent cannot possibly win.
Fri Jul 10, 2015, 02:29 AM
Jul 2015

Plus, Bernie would only take votes from whoever would then be the Democratic nominee, pretty much guaranteeing the Republican would win.

It's probably not the best system out there, but our two-party system (all of the many small other parties really don't count and have no impact on elections in this country) is here to stay. It's the only game we have, and Bernie, while an independent, is very closely allied with the liberal wing of the Democratic party. He has always caucused with them. He wins elections as in independent in Vermont because it's a very small state and he is well known to the voters. To win a national election a candidate must be allied with one or the other of the two parties.

If he wins the nomination, he will have the might of the Democratic Party behind him. As an independent he'd have nothing like that to help him out. He would also be unable to campaign alongside Democrats also running for election, because the actual Democratic nominee would be doing that.

Running as an independent is a romantic notion, but not remotely practical.

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No. In this country an independent cannot possibly win. SheilaT Jul 2015 #229
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Yes, he can and I will help! eom fed-up Jul 2015 #220
hell yeah! n/t restorefreedom Jul 2015 #221
History, that's what we are living. Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #222
I believe he can win the general. merrily Jul 2015 #223
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There is nothing, nothing, nothing we cannot accomplish! n/t udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #226
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Me. madfloridian Jul 2015 #230
I just hope he is seriously building a national campaign already. SheilaT Jul 2015 #231
Yo. mahina Jul 2015 #232
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Present and accounted for swilton Jul 2015 #235
Me, Me, Me...I do! SoapBox Jul 2015 #236
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The link to the post, the link to the article artislife Jul 2015 #239
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He can win. Kenjie Jul 2015 #243
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It is up to us to make it happen. Admiral Loinpresser Jul 2015 #245
the general? ibegurpard Jul 2015 #246
kick cui bono Jul 2015 #247
K&R jwirr Jul 2015 #248
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I don't believe in much but I do believe in Bernie. R. P. McMurphy Jul 2015 #250
Yes - Bernie Can Win - I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jul 2015 #251
Absolutely! donf Jul 2015 #252
I'm not sure. tymorial Jul 2015 #253
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