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highplainsdem

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8. This is a garbage story that's been floated by Faux News, especially Hannity, and even less credible
Wed May 1, 2019, 11:26 PM
May 2019

Last edited Thu May 2, 2019, 01:51 AM - Edit history (1)

RW media for a while, trying to make something of the Obama administration insisting the Ukraine government get rid of a corrupt general prosecutor (equivalent to our attorney general).

The actual facts, from Foreign Policy, October 30, 2016:

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/10/30/what-will-ukraine-do-without-joe-biden-putin-war-kiev-clinton-trump/


No one in the U.S. government has wielded more influence over Ukraine than Vice President Joe Biden. As the Obama administration’s point person on Ukraine policy, he has rallied support for Kiev in the face of Russian military intervention and cultivated a personal rapport with its leaders. But he has delivered tough love as well, delaying financial aid more than once over concerns about rampant corruption.

-snip-

Biden’s brand of tough love became more pronounced as the old ways of Ukrainian politics resumed. Despite a series of measures to increase government transparency and salvage the country’s teetering economy, Kiev began to slow — and in some cases completely halt — carrying out anti-corruption reforms.

Public dissatisfaction was growing in late 2015 with Poroshenko’s choice for general prosecutor: Viktor Shokin, a veteran of Ukrainian politics and a close associate of the president. Shokin fumbled the corruption case of a former Yanukovych crony and let him flee the country.

The position of general prosecutor, who is appointed by the president, enjoys outsized importance in Ukraine and is often used to exert pressure on rivals and cut deals for political and commercial gains. The Maidan revolution was supposed to bring an end to this type of horse-trading, but Shokin served as a reminder that little had changed. He reinforced that perception by hindering an investigation into two high-ranking state prosecutors arrested on corruption charges and after Economy Minister Aivaras Abromavicius cited him by name before quitting in protest over the delayed reforms.

Dismayed by Poroshenko’s backtracking, the White House withheld $1 billion in loan guarantees until Shokin was fired. Biden delivered that message directly to Poroshenko over the phone.

“‘Petro, you’re not getting your billion dollars,’” Biden recalled telling the president in an interview with the Atlantic. “‘It’s OK, you can keep the [prosecutor] general. Just understand—we’re not paying if you do.’”



From the Irish Times, March 29, 2016, "EU hails sacking of Ukraine’s prosecutor Viktor Shokin":

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-hails-sacking-of-ukraine-s-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-1.2591190

The European Union has welcomed the dismissal of Ukraine’s scandal-ridden prosecutor general and called for a crackdown on corruption, even as the country’s political crisis deepened over efforts to form a new ruling coalition and appoint a new prime minister.

Ukraine’s parliament voted overwhelmingly to fire Viktor Shokin, ridding the beleaguered prosecutor’s office of a figure who is accused of blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and stymying moves to root out graft.

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Mr Tombinski said the EU was also concerned about the resignation or dismissal of several “reform-oriented” prosecutors and reports that Mr Shokin’s office was investigating a “highly-respected” anti-corruption group – an obvious reference to Kiev’s Anti-Corruption Action Centre, which had fiercely criticised Mr Shokin.

In what appeared to be his last act before dismissal, Mr Shokin sacked his deputy, Davit Sakvarelidze, who had repeatedly called for his boss to be fired.

-snip-



Trump and his supporters are now trying to push a conspiracy theory that Biden used American aid to Ukraine to shut down an investigation that might have eventually involved his son Hunter. Never mind that the European Union and many in Ukraine knew just how corrupt Shokin was.

I'm disgusted that the NYT's Ken Vogel went with this non-story. At least he shows the Trump administration is pushing this, but still...
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
They've always insisted that working with Ukraine is just peachy. TwilightZone May 2019 #1
Ukraine enid602 May 2019 #28
Totally Don't Care.... LovingA2andMI May 2019 #2
Biden UkraineHillary's emails....nothingburgers leftofcool May 2019 #3
Or not! Cha May 2019 #4
No kidding. It is the one true skill they have - swift boating. nt Lucky Luciano May 2019 #20
Unlike Trump, Biden has shown us tax returns. We know Biden isn't dependent on Russia. SunSeeker May 2019 #5
Excellent POINTS, SunSeeker! Cha May 2019 #22
Yup, NYT is publishing a false story against a Dem in a pathetic attempt to show "balance." SunSeeker May 2019 #65
Weak sauce dalton99a May 2019 #6
I guess creepy Joe Biden failed failed for Trump's increasingly desperate Demsrule86 May 2019 #58
This is unbelievable. PLEASE stop this, it serves absolutely no purpose. George II May 2019 #7
This is a garbage story that's been floated by Faux News, especially Hannity, and even less credible highplainsdem May 2019 #8
Pales in comparison to Trump's spawn... Indygram May 2019 #9
There is nothing in the Democratic camp that can compare to 1% of the malfeasance among Republicans dalton99a May 2019 #13
True. highplainsdem May 2019 #15
Just more Ghouliani bullshit! Crowman2009 May 2019 #10
Wouldn't surprise me if Giuliani has been offering bribes of some type to try to create problems for highplainsdem May 2019 #14
Kind of explains why trump chose Rudy over Christy Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #23
Hmmm...it seems that progressoid May 2019 #11
Tad Devine was negotiating to continue work with Manafort in Ukraine as late as 2014, the year highplainsdem May 2019 #12
Ah, right... 2014 progressoid May 2019 #19
Sounds to me like Clarity2 May 2019 #77
"Worked in Ukraine" --- that's not what the suspicions about R B Garr May 2019 #54
OK, explain it to me. progressoid May 2019 #68
I already did explain that working in Ukraine isn't R B Garr May 2019 #69
OK progressoid May 2019 #70
You originally said "working in Ukraine". R B Garr May 2019 #74
"working in Ukraine" "Devine Manafort connection" progressoid May 2019 #75
Not to me...see the Russians supported Sanders according to Mueller in 16 somewhat so Demsrule86 May 2019 #59
You already support Biden so of course it's not a big deal to you. But to those swing voters progressoid May 2019 #66
Here's the thing. Joe Biden etc ain't gonna spend the next 2 years lying about it. nt UniteFightBack May 2019 #16
No. And this unfair attack on Biden might very well lead President Obama and other world leaders highplainsdem May 2019 #17
Judd Legum and Jon Favreau on this stupid story: highplainsdem May 2019 #18
Trump's personal lawyer is conspiring with a foreign govt for advantage over a rival candidate muriel_volestrangler May 2019 #21
Josh Marshall nailed it. highplainsdem May 2019 #25
Trump just retweeted a Ken Vogel tweet about the story, this one: highplainsdem May 2019 #24
Post removed Post removed May 2019 #26
You appear to be Cha May 2019 #30
Just his behavior elfin May 2019 #32
No it is not. Demsrule86 May 2019 #57
It is not a big deal...total bullshit Demsrule86 May 2019 #34
Easy peasey... Zoonart May 2019 #27
Another example of the swamp dweller pointing out an opponent's scuffed shoe bigbrother05 May 2019 #29
This should blow up in Giuliani's face. It is Giuliani delisen May 2019 #31
It's been out there for a long time, on video even, no one cared Baclava May 2019 #33
That's the kind of President I want. Go joe. Demsrule86 May 2019 #35
No one cared because everyone knew Shokin was corrupt and Biden and Obama did the right thing. highplainsdem May 2019 #36
well yeah, but to pretend it didn't happen is foolish, sweeping it under the rug won't help Baclava May 2019 #37
Nothing happened. So unless some are doing this to hurt Biden for the Demsrule86 May 2019 #39
I have no problem with anyone talking about what actually happened. I object to the RW lie highplainsdem May 2019 #40
Look into what?? What supposedly happened? themaguffin May 2019 #38
Hoarse Whisperer tweet: Two weeks ago, Ken Vogel of the NYT used emails hacked by Russia in a sleazy highplainsdem May 2019 #41
So this is the incredibly scandalous matter that is enveloping Joe Biden? Let's see: Tommy_Carcetti May 2019 #42
Whitewater was totally a small domestic investment. delisen May 2019 #44
People are not seeing the damage this will do, along with other things in Biden's record. marylandblue May 2019 #43
And they won't do stuff to Mayor Pete? This is stupid and easily refutable. Demsrule86 May 2019 #46
If course they will go after Pete, but I back him because so far he has good answers marylandblue May 2019 #48
I don't think Mayor Pete wins a general. Demsrule86 May 2019 #50
Of course you don't, you've already decided that Biden is the only possibility marylandblue May 2019 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author marylandblue May 2019 #71
Seems more like wishful thinking to me. BannonsLiver May 2019 #60
Why would I wish something like that? marylandblue May 2019 #73
A contractor working on my house brought this up the other day StarfishSaver May 2019 #45
He's apparently getting his "news" from Fox, Breitbart, WND, etc. highplainsdem May 2019 #47
Scathing thread about what's wrong with NYT story by expert on oligarchs/kleptocrats: highplainsdem May 2019 #49
ThinkProgress's Ian Millhiser is also recommending this thread: highplainsdem May 2019 #64
This is a disaster for Biden BeyondGeography May 2019 #51
I see a lot of smears that won't work...undecided ha. Demsrule86 May 2019 #53
Yes, that and a lot of wishful thinking masquerading as concern. BannonsLiver May 2019 #61
Yep. This is so obvious. I feel their desperation as Bernie facades in the primary. Demsrule86 May 2019 #62
I say ... Mme. Defarge May 2019 #52
I'm with you BRING IT! DVRacer May 2019 #56
This story is all rightie sources other than the Times bullshit. Joe will be just fine. Demsrule86 May 2019 #55
With all maggots MFM008 May 2019 #63
This is nothing more than . . . peggysue2 May 2019 #67
What a trump. They botched up their own oppo. C_U_L8R May 2019 #76
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