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muriel_volestrangler

(101,421 posts)
21. Trump's personal lawyer is conspiring with a foreign govt for advantage over a rival candidate
Thu May 2, 2019, 05:34 AM
May 2019

Talking Points Memo (subscription normally needed, but it's also on their RSS feed):

Fast forward to today. Rudy Giuliani, the President’s personal lawyer has been meeting with Ukrainian officials repeatedly and dangling the possibility of better relations with President Trump if they will reopen the investigation into the Hunter Biden-affiliated company. Let’s repeat that. The President’s personal lawyer is going abroad and using the lure of better treatment from President Trump to get them to reopen an investigation that could damage the man who is possibly Trump’s presidential competitor next year.
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Giuliani and Trump have asked Attorney General Bill Barr to get the material Ukrainian prosecutors have assembled and start his own investigation in the US.
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I don’t think we need to assume that Hunter Biden is the cleanest guy in the world. I have no idea. We know that lots of Americans were making money in semi-lawless Ukraine over the last decade. The idea that Biden was doing anything to help his son seems extremely strained. But that’s not really the point. The President’s private lawyer, unbound by any government regulation or responsibilities, is practicing unauthorized foreign policy on the President’s behalf, the goal of which is to use the President’s power to get other countries to attack his political enemies at home. Both Trump and Giuliani are then asking Bill Barr to open companion investigations targeting Trump’s political enemies.

This is how corrupt, broken states operate, banana republics. Everything we’ve seen from Bill Barr tells us he will happily participate in this kind of corruption. Meanwhile, Giuliani spends lots of his time visiting foreign capitals in the last 18 months, nominally on private business. We have almost no visibility into what most of those visits are about. This is one example. What other stuff don’t we know about?

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/prime-beta/the-threat-of-bill-barr-lawlessness-is-much-worse-than-you-think
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
They've always insisted that working with Ukraine is just peachy. TwilightZone May 2019 #1
Ukraine enid602 May 2019 #28
Totally Don't Care.... LovingA2andMI May 2019 #2
Biden UkraineHillary's emails....nothingburgers leftofcool May 2019 #3
Or not! Cha May 2019 #4
No kidding. It is the one true skill they have - swift boating. nt Lucky Luciano May 2019 #20
Unlike Trump, Biden has shown us tax returns. We know Biden isn't dependent on Russia. SunSeeker May 2019 #5
Excellent POINTS, SunSeeker! Cha May 2019 #22
Yup, NYT is publishing a false story against a Dem in a pathetic attempt to show "balance." SunSeeker May 2019 #65
Weak sauce dalton99a May 2019 #6
I guess creepy Joe Biden failed failed for Trump's increasingly desperate Demsrule86 May 2019 #58
This is unbelievable. PLEASE stop this, it serves absolutely no purpose. George II May 2019 #7
This is a garbage story that's been floated by Faux News, especially Hannity, and even less credible highplainsdem May 2019 #8
Pales in comparison to Trump's spawn... Indygram May 2019 #9
There is nothing in the Democratic camp that can compare to 1% of the malfeasance among Republicans dalton99a May 2019 #13
True. highplainsdem May 2019 #15
Just more Ghouliani bullshit! Crowman2009 May 2019 #10
Wouldn't surprise me if Giuliani has been offering bribes of some type to try to create problems for highplainsdem May 2019 #14
Kind of explains why trump chose Rudy over Christy Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #23
Hmmm...it seems that progressoid May 2019 #11
Tad Devine was negotiating to continue work with Manafort in Ukraine as late as 2014, the year highplainsdem May 2019 #12
Ah, right... 2014 progressoid May 2019 #19
Sounds to me like Clarity2 May 2019 #77
"Worked in Ukraine" --- that's not what the suspicions about R B Garr May 2019 #54
OK, explain it to me. progressoid May 2019 #68
I already did explain that working in Ukraine isn't R B Garr May 2019 #69
OK progressoid May 2019 #70
You originally said "working in Ukraine". R B Garr May 2019 #74
"working in Ukraine" "Devine Manafort connection" progressoid May 2019 #75
Not to me...see the Russians supported Sanders according to Mueller in 16 somewhat so Demsrule86 May 2019 #59
You already support Biden so of course it's not a big deal to you. But to those swing voters progressoid May 2019 #66
Here's the thing. Joe Biden etc ain't gonna spend the next 2 years lying about it. nt UniteFightBack May 2019 #16
No. And this unfair attack on Biden might very well lead President Obama and other world leaders highplainsdem May 2019 #17
Judd Legum and Jon Favreau on this stupid story: highplainsdem May 2019 #18
Trump's personal lawyer is conspiring with a foreign govt for advantage over a rival candidate muriel_volestrangler May 2019 #21
Josh Marshall nailed it. highplainsdem May 2019 #25
Trump just retweeted a Ken Vogel tweet about the story, this one: highplainsdem May 2019 #24
Post removed Post removed May 2019 #26
You appear to be Cha May 2019 #30
Just his behavior elfin May 2019 #32
No it is not. Demsrule86 May 2019 #57
It is not a big deal...total bullshit Demsrule86 May 2019 #34
Easy peasey... Zoonart May 2019 #27
Another example of the swamp dweller pointing out an opponent's scuffed shoe bigbrother05 May 2019 #29
This should blow up in Giuliani's face. It is Giuliani delisen May 2019 #31
It's been out there for a long time, on video even, no one cared Baclava May 2019 #33
That's the kind of President I want. Go joe. Demsrule86 May 2019 #35
No one cared because everyone knew Shokin was corrupt and Biden and Obama did the right thing. highplainsdem May 2019 #36
well yeah, but to pretend it didn't happen is foolish, sweeping it under the rug won't help Baclava May 2019 #37
Nothing happened. So unless some are doing this to hurt Biden for the Demsrule86 May 2019 #39
I have no problem with anyone talking about what actually happened. I object to the RW lie highplainsdem May 2019 #40
Look into what?? What supposedly happened? themaguffin May 2019 #38
Hoarse Whisperer tweet: Two weeks ago, Ken Vogel of the NYT used emails hacked by Russia in a sleazy highplainsdem May 2019 #41
So this is the incredibly scandalous matter that is enveloping Joe Biden? Let's see: Tommy_Carcetti May 2019 #42
Whitewater was totally a small domestic investment. delisen May 2019 #44
People are not seeing the damage this will do, along with other things in Biden's record. marylandblue May 2019 #43
And they won't do stuff to Mayor Pete? This is stupid and easily refutable. Demsrule86 May 2019 #46
If course they will go after Pete, but I back him because so far he has good answers marylandblue May 2019 #48
I don't think Mayor Pete wins a general. Demsrule86 May 2019 #50
Of course you don't, you've already decided that Biden is the only possibility marylandblue May 2019 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author marylandblue May 2019 #71
Seems more like wishful thinking to me. BannonsLiver May 2019 #60
Why would I wish something like that? marylandblue May 2019 #73
A contractor working on my house brought this up the other day StarfishSaver May 2019 #45
He's apparently getting his "news" from Fox, Breitbart, WND, etc. highplainsdem May 2019 #47
Scathing thread about what's wrong with NYT story by expert on oligarchs/kleptocrats: highplainsdem May 2019 #49
ThinkProgress's Ian Millhiser is also recommending this thread: highplainsdem May 2019 #64
This is a disaster for Biden BeyondGeography May 2019 #51
I see a lot of smears that won't work...undecided ha. Demsrule86 May 2019 #53
Yes, that and a lot of wishful thinking masquerading as concern. BannonsLiver May 2019 #61
Yep. This is so obvious. I feel their desperation as Bernie facades in the primary. Demsrule86 May 2019 #62
I say ... Mme. Defarge May 2019 #52
I'm with you BRING IT! DVRacer May 2019 #56
This story is all rightie sources other than the Times bullshit. Joe will be just fine. Demsrule86 May 2019 #55
With all maggots MFM008 May 2019 #63
This is nothing more than . . . peggysue2 May 2019 #67
What a trump. They botched up their own oppo. C_U_L8R May 2019 #76
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