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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 11:51 PM Jun 2019

Before attacking Kamala Harris for "mischaracterizing" Biden's views, please look at what she said [View all]

Following is the entire exchange on the topic of race between Sen. Harris and VP Biden. There is nothing in it in which Harris in any way mischaracterized Biden's comments about working with segregationist senators or his record on busing:

Senator Kamala Harris of California sharply criticized former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. at the Democratic presidential primary debate on Thursday, talking about her personal history with busing and calling his recent recollections of working with segregationist senators “hurtful.”

Below is a transcript of the exchange.

[Here are the highlights of the debate.]

HARRIS: And I’m going to now direct this at Vice President Biden. I do not believe you are a racist. And I agree with you when you commit yourself to the importance of finding common ground, but I also believe — and it is personal, and it was actually very hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two United States senators who built their reputation and career on the segregation of race in this country. And it was not only that, but you also worked with them to oppose busing. And you know, there was a little girl in California who was a part of the second class to integrate her public schools, and she was bused to school every day. And that little girl was me. So I will tell you that, on this subject, it cannot be an intellectual debate among Democrats. We have to take it seriously. We have to act swiftly. As attorney general of California, I was very proud to put in place a requirement that all my special agents wear body cameras and keep those cameras on.

BIDEN: A mischaracterization of my position across the board. I did not praise racists, that is not true. Number one. Number two, if we want to have this campaign litigated on who supports civil rights and whether I did or not, I’m happy to do that. I was a public defender. I didn’t become a prosecutor. I came out and left a good law firm to become a public defender when, in fact, when, in fact, when, in fact, my city was in flames because of the assassination of Dr. King. Number one, number two. Excuse me — as the vice president of the United States, I worked with a man who, in fact, we worked very hard to see it to, we dealt with these issues. And in a major, major way. The fact is that in terms of busing, the busing, I never — you would have been able to go to school the same exact way because it was a local decision made by your city council. That’s fine. That’s one of the things I argued for, that we should not be — we should be breaking down these lines. So the bottom line here is, look, everything I have done in my career, I ran because of civil rights. I continue to think we have to make fundamental changes in civil rights. And those civil rights, by the way, include not just African Americans but the L.G.B.T.Q. communities.

HARRIS: But Vice President Biden, do you agree today, do you agree today that you were wrong to oppose busing in America then? Do you agree?

BIDEN: I did not oppose busing in America. What I opposed is busing ordered by the Department of Education. That’s what I opposed.

HARRIS: It’s a failure of states to integrate public schools in America. I was a part of the second class to integrate Berkeley, California, public schools almost two decades after Brown v. Board of Education.

BIDEN: Because your city council made that decision. It was a local decision.

HARRIS: That’s where the federal government must step in, that’s why we have the Voting Rights Act, the Civil Rights Act. That’s why we need to pass the Equality Act, it’s why we need to pass the E.R.A. Because there are moments in history where states fail to preserve the civil rights of all people.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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This was very mild and extremely respectful. EffieBlack Jun 2019 #1
This nt DURHAM D Jun 2019 #9
Thank-you still_one Jun 2019 #2
It was a grandstanding stunt Jersey Devil Jun 2019 #3
+1000 didn't look very presidential Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #4
WRONG.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #19
Surprising sacto95834 Jun 2019 #51
Exactly!!!! LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #53
Or, as someone pointed out, if just about any of the other candidates had challenged him this way, StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #54
:-) EffieBlack Jun 2019 #56
Agreed. Playing the race card gets you nowhere. democratisphere Jun 2019 #5
"It was a local decision" was not and is not a good position for Biden. I love him like a play cousi uponit7771 Jun 2019 #11
Agree. That was a lame excuse. Harris voice indicates it was upsetting to her, and Hoyt Jun 2019 #27
You summed it up nicely. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #60
And Biden's reply is not playing the "racial card" Perseus Jun 2019 #25
+1, and all Biden has to say was that was then and I've changed and move on. He was Obama's VP uponit7771 Jun 2019 #28
"It's a local issue" is the excuse the Supreme Court used today to allow gerrymandering to stand StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #35
Talking honestly about race isn't "playing the race card." StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #34
Playing the race card? Am I still on DU? Lordquinton Jun 2019 #46
Yes, you are EffieBlack Jun 2019 #49
lololol at 'race card' .... what RW talking point tosh Celerity Jun 2019 #62
Where was the attack? StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #6
The press and media are saying just the opposite. wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #7
Maybe she doesn't know his record she said this on Face the Nation this week: UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #10
No it was not. I went to segregated schools briefly. Blue_true Jun 2019 #24
I agree. It was a preplanned kneecapping. Princetonian Jun 2019 #55
You know this is a campaign, right? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #61
+1000 Pachamama Jun 2019 #63
A little fact checking wouldn't hurt in this situation. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #59
It was a local decision.... quickesst Jun 2019 #8
I thought Kamala went too far... jcgoldie Jun 2019 #15
This is what the USSC is saying this day about gerrymandering !! uponit7771 Jun 2019 #16
He was a US Senator who pushed federal anti-busing and anti-desegregation legislation StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #17
Were The Federal Government LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #20
Locals were not going to integrate. My county fought for 15 years not to. Blue_true Jun 2019 #26
I'm waiting to see.... quickesst Jun 2019 #52
Look, Joe is a good man. Blue_true Jun 2019 #64
Like I said.... quickesst Jun 2019 #65
He could have explained how he changed and why he changed instead of defending Blue_true Jun 2019 #66
You are kind of proving my point... quickesst Jun 2019 #67
She just put a big hole in MSM attempts to demonize Biden telling Tweety "that NO HE IS NOT DONE!" hlthe2b Jun 2019 #12
I think both did well in this exhange. Biden was suncere in his answer. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #13
Question should be: Before attacking Biden for his misconstrued comments, look at what HE said onetexan Jun 2019 #14
She HAS to know what he REALLY said, therefore she is doing this on purpose. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #21
yup i think so too onetexan Jun 2019 #22
Harris was wrong on her facts. So altho the emotional appeal was there, she was wrong. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #18
She was 100% Right.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #30
He sponsored and voted for federal anti-busing legislation StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #31
I'm not reading that long post, but yes, he helped do away w/mandate about HOW integration... Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #33
If you're not "reading that long post" you really shouldn't respond to it all. StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #37
I read the high points. We disagree, and you don't understand... Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #39
Actually, I understand this VERY well StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #42
His answer was great and accurate. I agree with it, too. As did the country at the time. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #44
I not only lived through it at the time StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #47
"local issue", "states rights" etc was a cop out. The issue is his vote was wrong then and there uponit7771 Jun 2019 #32
I disagree. The law was integration. Busing was just one of several ways to effect integration. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #36
"It was up to the states and communities " what about the states and communities that wouldn't uponit7771 Jun 2019 #38
She wasn't mistaken. She never claimed that federal law required busing in her community StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #40
She was wrong. As Biden said, he did not oppose busing in America. Period. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #41
What he did WOULD have interfered with that - that's just the point StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #45
Yes. This. StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #43
Harris is right. Blue_true Jun 2019 #23
Exactly. Hoyt Jun 2019 #29
A black woman had the temerity to challenge a white man about race on national television EffieBlack Jun 2019 #48
It was a black woman who did it crazytown Jun 2019 #50
I am a woman of color and I find your characterization distasteful. Princetonian Jun 2019 #57
Ok EffieBlack Jun 2019 #58
This FreeState Jun 2019 #68
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