Democratic Primaries

StarfishSaver

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37. If you're not "reading that long post" you really shouldn't respond to it all.

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:36 AM

Jun 2019

It contains information that you might find useful if you're going to argue about this topic. But if reading a few substantive paragraphs in a discussion you're engaging in is too much trouble, well

(Just in case the following isn't too long to bother reading ...)

But she never said busing in her community was federally mandated. But the desegregation the busing facilitated WAS federally mandated by the U.S. Supreme Court.

On the other hand, Biden sounded completely out of touch arguing that the federal government should have no role in enforcing desegregation but should leave it all up to local communities. Which is great for those communities that voluntarily participated. But in too many cases, local communities retrenched and refused to comply with the Constitution and it was indeed the responsibility of the federal courts to step in and mandate compliance.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Before attacking Kamala Harris for "mischaracterizing" Biden's views, please look at what she said [View all] StarfishSaver Jun 2019 OP

This was very mild and extremely respectful. EffieBlack Jun 2019 #1

This nt DURHAM D Jun 2019 #9

Thank-you still_one Jun 2019 #2

It was a grandstanding stunt Jersey Devil Jun 2019 #3

+1000 didn't look very presidential Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #4

WRONG.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #19

Surprising sacto95834 Jun 2019 #51

Exactly!!!! LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #53

Or, as someone pointed out, if just about any of the other candidates had challenged him this way, StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #54

:-) EffieBlack Jun 2019 #56

Agreed. Playing the race card gets you nowhere. democratisphere Jun 2019 #5

"It was a local decision" was not and is not a good position for Biden. I love him like a play cousi uponit7771 Jun 2019 #11

Agree. That was a lame excuse. Harris voice indicates it was upsetting to her, and Hoyt Jun 2019 #27

You summed it up nicely. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #60

And Biden's reply is not playing the "racial card" Perseus Jun 2019 #25

+1, and all Biden has to say was that was then and I've changed and move on. He was Obama's VP uponit7771 Jun 2019 #28

"It's a local issue" is the excuse the Supreme Court used today to allow gerrymandering to stand StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #35

Talking honestly about race isn't "playing the race card." StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #34

Playing the race card? Am I still on DU? Lordquinton Jun 2019 #46

Yes, you are EffieBlack Jun 2019 #49

lololol at 'race card' .... what RW talking point tosh Celerity Jun 2019 #62

Where was the attack? StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #6

The press and media are saying just the opposite. wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #7

Maybe she doesn't know his record she said this on Face the Nation this week: UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #10

No it was not. I went to segregated schools briefly. Blue_true Jun 2019 #24

I agree. It was a preplanned kneecapping. Princetonian Jun 2019 #55

You know this is a campaign, right? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #61

+1000 Pachamama Jun 2019 #63

A little fact checking wouldn't hurt in this situation. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #59

It was a local decision.... quickesst Jun 2019 #8

I thought Kamala went too far... jcgoldie Jun 2019 #15

This is what the USSC is saying this day about gerrymandering !! uponit7771 Jun 2019 #16

He was a US Senator who pushed federal anti-busing and anti-desegregation legislation StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #17

Were The Federal Government LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #20

Locals were not going to integrate. My county fought for 15 years not to. Blue_true Jun 2019 #26

I'm waiting to see.... quickesst Jun 2019 #52

Look, Joe is a good man. Blue_true Jun 2019 #64

Like I said.... quickesst Jun 2019 #65

He could have explained how he changed and why he changed instead of defending Blue_true Jun 2019 #66

You are kind of proving my point... quickesst Jun 2019 #67

She just put a big hole in MSM attempts to demonize Biden telling Tweety "that NO HE IS NOT DONE!" hlthe2b Jun 2019 #12

I think both did well in this exhange. Biden was suncere in his answer. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #13

Question should be: Before attacking Biden for his misconstrued comments, look at what HE said onetexan Jun 2019 #14

She HAS to know what he REALLY said, therefore she is doing this on purpose. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #21

yup i think so too onetexan Jun 2019 #22

Harris was wrong on her facts. So altho the emotional appeal was there, she was wrong. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #18

She was 100% Right.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #30

He sponsored and voted for federal anti-busing legislation StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #31

I'm not reading that long post, but yes, he helped do away w/mandate about HOW integration... Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #33

If you're not "reading that long post" you really shouldn't respond to it all. StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #37

I read the high points. We disagree, and you don't understand... Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #39

Actually, I understand this VERY well StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #42

His answer was great and accurate. I agree with it, too. As did the country at the time. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #44

I not only lived through it at the time StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #47

"local issue", "states rights" etc was a cop out. The issue is his vote was wrong then and there uponit7771 Jun 2019 #32

I disagree. The law was integration. Busing was just one of several ways to effect integration. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #36

"It was up to the states and communities " what about the states and communities that wouldn't uponit7771 Jun 2019 #38

She wasn't mistaken. She never claimed that federal law required busing in her community StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #40

She was wrong. As Biden said, he did not oppose busing in America. Period. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #41

What he did WOULD have interfered with that - that's just the point StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #45

Yes. This. StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #43

Harris is right. Blue_true Jun 2019 #23

Exactly. Hoyt Jun 2019 #29

A black woman had the temerity to challenge a white man about race on national television EffieBlack Jun 2019 #48

It was a black woman who did it crazytown Jun 2019 #50

I am a woman of color and I find your characterization distasteful. Princetonian Jun 2019 #57

Ok EffieBlack Jun 2019 #58

This FreeState Jun 2019 #68