Democratic Primaries

StarfishSaver

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42. Actually, I understand this VERY well

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 11:51 PM

Jun 2019

And I agree that busing isn't - or shouldn't be - a problem for Biden. The problem is that he doesn't seem able to articulate or defend his position without sounding completely tone-deaf. Explaining that he opposed the federal government's use of a desegregation remedy on the grounds of "local control" is not a good answer. At all. And accusing a fellow candidate of attacking and mischaracterizing him when she did nothing of the kind is not a good look for him.

One of Biden's problems, as I see it, is an inability to just admit he's made an error, apologize where appropriate, correct it and move on. He took a lickin tonight and it probably smarts - I hope he learns from it and figures out how to do better moving forward.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Before attacking Kamala Harris for "mischaracterizing" Biden's views, please look at what she said [View all] StarfishSaver Jun 2019 OP

This was very mild and extremely respectful. EffieBlack Jun 2019 #1

This nt DURHAM D Jun 2019 #9

Thank-you still_one Jun 2019 #2

It was a grandstanding stunt Jersey Devil Jun 2019 #3

+1000 didn't look very presidential Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #4

WRONG.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #19

Surprising sacto95834 Jun 2019 #51

Exactly!!!! LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #53

Or, as someone pointed out, if just about any of the other candidates had challenged him this way, StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #54

:-) EffieBlack Jun 2019 #56

Agreed. Playing the race card gets you nowhere. democratisphere Jun 2019 #5

"It was a local decision" was not and is not a good position for Biden. I love him like a play cousi uponit7771 Jun 2019 #11

Agree. That was a lame excuse. Harris voice indicates it was upsetting to her, and Hoyt Jun 2019 #27

You summed it up nicely. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #60

And Biden's reply is not playing the "racial card" Perseus Jun 2019 #25

+1, and all Biden has to say was that was then and I've changed and move on. He was Obama's VP uponit7771 Jun 2019 #28

"It's a local issue" is the excuse the Supreme Court used today to allow gerrymandering to stand StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #35

Talking honestly about race isn't "playing the race card." StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #34

Playing the race card? Am I still on DU? Lordquinton Jun 2019 #46

Yes, you are EffieBlack Jun 2019 #49

lololol at 'race card' .... what RW talking point tosh Celerity Jun 2019 #62

Where was the attack? StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #6

The press and media are saying just the opposite. wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #7

Maybe she doesn't know his record she said this on Face the Nation this week: UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #10

No it was not. I went to segregated schools briefly. Blue_true Jun 2019 #24

I agree. It was a preplanned kneecapping. Princetonian Jun 2019 #55

You know this is a campaign, right? EffieBlack Jun 2019 #61

+1000 Pachamama Jun 2019 #63

A little fact checking wouldn't hurt in this situation. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #59

It was a local decision.... quickesst Jun 2019 #8

I thought Kamala went too far... jcgoldie Jun 2019 #15

This is what the USSC is saying this day about gerrymandering !! uponit7771 Jun 2019 #16

He was a US Senator who pushed federal anti-busing and anti-desegregation legislation StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #17

Were The Federal Government LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #20

Locals were not going to integrate. My county fought for 15 years not to. Blue_true Jun 2019 #26

I'm waiting to see.... quickesst Jun 2019 #52

Look, Joe is a good man. Blue_true Jun 2019 #64

Like I said.... quickesst Jun 2019 #65

He could have explained how he changed and why he changed instead of defending Blue_true Jun 2019 #66

You are kind of proving my point... quickesst Jun 2019 #67

She just put a big hole in MSM attempts to demonize Biden telling Tweety "that NO HE IS NOT DONE!" hlthe2b Jun 2019 #12

I think both did well in this exhange. Biden was suncere in his answer. Drunken Irishman Jun 2019 #13

Question should be: Before attacking Biden for his misconstrued comments, look at what HE said onetexan Jun 2019 #14

She HAS to know what he REALLY said, therefore she is doing this on purpose. nt UniteFightBack Jun 2019 #21

yup i think so too onetexan Jun 2019 #22

Harris was wrong on her facts. So altho the emotional appeal was there, she was wrong. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #18

She was 100% Right.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2019 #30

He sponsored and voted for federal anti-busing legislation StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #31

I'm not reading that long post, but yes, he helped do away w/mandate about HOW integration... Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #33

If you're not "reading that long post" you really shouldn't respond to it all. StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #37

I read the high points. We disagree, and you don't understand... Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #39

Actually, I understand this VERY well StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #42

His answer was great and accurate. I agree with it, too. As did the country at the time. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #44

I not only lived through it at the time StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #47

"local issue", "states rights" etc was a cop out. The issue is his vote was wrong then and there uponit7771 Jun 2019 #32

I disagree. The law was integration. Busing was just one of several ways to effect integration. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #36

"It was up to the states and communities " what about the states and communities that wouldn't uponit7771 Jun 2019 #38

She wasn't mistaken. She never claimed that federal law required busing in her community StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #40

She was wrong. As Biden said, he did not oppose busing in America. Period. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #41

What he did WOULD have interfered with that - that's just the point StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #45

Yes. This. StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #43

Harris is right. Blue_true Jun 2019 #23

Exactly. Hoyt Jun 2019 #29

A black woman had the temerity to challenge a white man about race on national television EffieBlack Jun 2019 #48

It was a black woman who did it crazytown Jun 2019 #50

I am a woman of color and I find your characterization distasteful. Princetonian Jun 2019 #57

Ok EffieBlack Jun 2019 #58

This FreeState Jun 2019 #68