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In reply to the discussion: Gallup--Less Than Half in U.S. Would Vote for a Socialist for President [View all]Gothmog
(181,437 posts)110. Analysis How Trump wins in 2020: Americans see his opponent as a "socialist"
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But there is one matchup in which Trump actually leads: When voters have to choose between him and a candidate they believe is a socialist, Trump led 49 percent to 43 percent.
This is obviously a hypothetical exercise. The idea that the Democratic nominee will call themselves a socialist is far-fetched (even Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont prefers to be called a democratic socialist"
. And just because Trump argues that his opponent is a socialist doesnt mean they will be viewed by everyone or even most people accordingly.
But the finding does hint at how central this question could be to Trumps reelection hopes. Given Trumps long-standing unpopularity, a big question has always been whether he will be able to take the eventual Democratic nominee and drag them down to his level. He showed he could do it in 2016 with Hillary Clinton, who ended the campaign as unpopular as Trump was, but its not clear whether hell be able to do it again.
Trump also has some material to work with. The Democratic candidates in the first debate two weeks ago went further to the left on issues such as health care and immigration than in any modern Democratic primary. Many of them embraced single-payer health care, and some even said they would eliminate private health insurance. Many said they would decriminalize crossing the border without documentation, making it a civil matter. And many said they would support health-care coverage for undocumented immigrants, which California only recently became the first state to experiment with.
This is obviously a hypothetical exercise. The idea that the Democratic nominee will call themselves a socialist is far-fetched (even Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont prefers to be called a democratic socialist"
But the finding does hint at how central this question could be to Trumps reelection hopes. Given Trumps long-standing unpopularity, a big question has always been whether he will be able to take the eventual Democratic nominee and drag them down to his level. He showed he could do it in 2016 with Hillary Clinton, who ended the campaign as unpopular as Trump was, but its not clear whether hell be able to do it again.
Trump also has some material to work with. The Democratic candidates in the first debate two weeks ago went further to the left on issues such as health care and immigration than in any modern Democratic primary. Many of them embraced single-payer health care, and some even said they would eliminate private health insurance. Many said they would decriminalize crossing the border without documentation, making it a civil matter. And many said they would support health-care coverage for undocumented immigrants, which California only recently became the first state to experiment with.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Gallup--Less Than Half in U.S. Would Vote for a Socialist for President [View all]
Gothmog
May 2019
OP
Have you been to Europe? He is still to the right of some socialist parties in most countries there
Tiggeroshii
May 2019
#6
Sanders never got more than about a quarter of a million votes in any of his elections.
George II
May 2019
#46
I agree. The problem is in our politics if you're explaining you're losing.
BannonsLiver
Jun 2019
#82
"..too much of a reluctance on the part of progressives and radicals to use the word 'socialism"..
Cha
May 2019
#65
Considering you probably don't believe anything else he says, why start now?
Tiggeroshii
Jun 2019
#79
The GOP has large oppo file and would use this and other material if sanders was nominee
Gothmog
May 2019
#40
Bernie will never win a majority through the regular delegates -- he topped out last time
pnwmom
May 2019
#8
Democratic Socialist: a socialist who uses the Democratic Party's infrastructure in order to
Skya Rhen
May 2019
#38
"from each according to his abilities to each according to his polling numbers"
brooklynite
May 2019
#41
Bernie will be painted as the old style socialist with a gold sickle and hammer on his forehead...
cynatnite
May 2019
#49
It would be much higher once the GOP got finished with Bernie in a general election
BannonsLiver
May 2019
#51
Fewer than half of those eligible voted for Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter...
PETRUS
May 2019
#63
Washington Post-Sanders wants Americans to buy into socialism. He's got some convincing to do
Gothmog
Jun 2019
#72
You mean Bernie's primary rivals are fascists? I didn't know BS was our only choice. NT
emmaverybo
Jun 2019
#81
FDR was sometimes pegged as a Socialist, yet he won 4 terms as President. He was also said by some
mtnsnake
Jun 2019
#89
We Dems are way too nice. We should be calling Trump a Fascist way more often than we do
mtnsnake
Jun 2019
#104