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OrwellwasRight

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19. I didn't throw up a link to say so and so vouches for him.
Sat Aug 24, 2019, 01:10 PM
Aug 2019

I threw up a link to explain why the TPP was bad pro-corporate, anti-worker policy. The problem is that you expect trade policy to be simple like "tariffs bad." Well, it's not, and if you took the time to read anything about trade deeper than "tariffs bad" you'd know this and understand why links are necessary.

Yes, China overproduces steel and prices it predatorily, so yes, confronting China on steel was a good thing to do. Most Dems and many Republicans agree with Trump on that. And Canada is our closest trading partner and ally, so no you don't tariff them even though the US imports more Chinese steel through Canada than it does directly from China. So what do you do? Before you implement your tariffs, you get Canada (and the EU and Japan by the way) to implement the same outward facing tariffs on China (and a few other steel over producers, btw, including Korea, Vietnam and Turkey), so we are all acting in a coordinated fashion and reducing the leakage of Chinese steel going through intermediaries.

How do I reconcile Bernie's trade plans with Trump's? I don't. Why should I? Bernies plans are progressive and Trump's are xenophobic. They are aren't reconcilable. Bernie's plans are about taking our trade agreements out of the hands on corporations. About stopping the practice of using them to limit financial services regulations and food safety standards. About turning labor and environmental fluff into meaningful rules that aren't just theoretically enforceable but actually enforced. It is about taking globalization back from a tool to oppress workers globally into a tool that ensures that workers globally can join together to stand up and fight for better wages and benefits.

The fallacy is that trade agreements are about reducing tariffs. They mostly aren't. Tariffs are miniscule worldwide and there is not much growth left to be gained by further reducing them. Even Krugman says this. Try reading a trade deal -- any one. 9https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements_ You'll see they are mostly about telling governments how they must and how they cannot regulate. And the vast majority of these rules are not about instituting human rights minimums, they are about locking in corporate privilege for Wall Street, Big Pharma, Big Ag and, now, with the new NAFTA, Big Tech.

If you want to understand more, I suggest reading more. You can't master complex trade policy with a two sentence DU post. Here's a place to start.

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/WM/WM04/20190326/109127/HHRG-116-WM04-Wstate-DrakeC-20190326.pdf

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I could never support Bernie's positions on immigration or trade. comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #1
It Is Telling That No Bernie Supporter Is Defending Bernie's Trade Policy TomCADem Aug 2019 #10
They're both terrible. riverine Aug 2019 #2
Some will never admit President Obama Cha Aug 2019 #4
Yes, the TPP was a punching bag for the purity crowd in 2016 BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #5
Big Fat Fundraiser! Cha Aug 2019 #6
So true. betsuni Aug 2019 #9
Really? OrwellwasRight Aug 2019 #14
Yes, really. BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #15
Glad you read the 50+ page report so quickly. OrwellwasRight Aug 2019 #16
Donald Trump: I will appeal to Bernie Sanders supporters regarding China TomCADem Aug 2019 #24
To Repeat, OrwellwasRight Aug 2019 #30
In Those Video Clips, Bernie Seemed to Be Ripping off Trump... TomCADem Aug 2019 #37
2nd the Really. Cha Aug 2019 #34
Here's The Question. Can You Explain Bernie's Position Yourself? TomCADem Aug 2019 #18
I didn't throw up a link to say so and so vouches for him. OrwellwasRight Aug 2019 #19
So, the difference is that we call Trump's Trade Policy Progressive? TomCADem Aug 2019 #20
You write a long rebuttal for someone who never read the original post, much less the links OrwellwasRight Aug 2019 #21
I Apologize. Let me give an example. Health Care TomCADem Aug 2019 #23
As stated ion post #21 OrwellwasRight Aug 2019 #31
Bernie Sanders: 'Of course' I would use tariffs as President TomCADem Aug 2019 #33
Of course other countries would put tariffs on Chinese steel OrwellwasRight Sep 2019 #39
Please, not that ISDS fearmongering crap again riverine Aug 2019 #28
Wow -- try reading... OrwellwasRight Aug 2019 #29
I LOVE all that protection for us Americans! riverine Aug 2019 #36
Wow. You read exactly none of the links did you? OrwellwasRight Sep 2019 #38
Bernie's Trade and Foreign Policy Are Contradictory TomCADem Aug 2019 #7
Practically everything he does is contradictory Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #13
.. Cha Aug 2019 #35
+1 betsuni Aug 2019 #8
Uninformed knee jerk reactions and insidious propaganda got us in this fix. yardwork Aug 2019 #25
Bernies is long term, something that US companies can plan for, build out US production for yaesu Aug 2019 #3
Every business will be leary of investing if BS is elected Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #12
Every one of BS's policies is extreme Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #11
K&R betsuni Aug 2019 #17
Kick for exposure. Cha Aug 2019 #22
Bernie is another self-important Ralph Nader. keithbvadu2 Aug 2019 #26
Don't care for Sanders or Warren on these issues. Plus their criticism of Obama and Hoyt Aug 2019 #27
This! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #32
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