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TomCADem

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23. I Apologize. Let me give an example. Health Care
Sat Aug 24, 2019, 08:46 PM
Aug 2019

Last edited Sat Aug 24, 2019, 10:23 PM - Edit history (1)

Bernie Sanders supports single payer, Medicare for all. Do you see what I did? I described a specific policy proposal. I did not need to have a bunch of links. I did not even have to use a buzzword such as "progressive."

Now, watch this:

Donald Trump does not support single payer, Medicare for all. I could even expand and say that Donald Trump appears to support a return to the health care system we had before the ACA, which Trump is doing his best to dismantle. Once again, I did not have to include links or throw in buzzwords like "corporatist" or "globalist." Likewise, I did not even have to say Trump is a racist to make my point that Trump does not support single payer.

Now, do you do this? Here is what you write:

Second of all: Trump is xenophobic. But his policies are not the same as Bernie's: to use small words, Bernie would not go it alone. He would work with friendly countries, known as allies, to confront unfair trade. How is that "progressive" It is progressive because it is not trying to build walls around America. It is trying to work with countries also being screwed by China (and the corporations who do business there) to stop the race to the bottom.


Well, that's nice. That is a lot of aspirational fluff, but what does that actually translate to? Or, is Bernie's trade agenda so obscure that even his own supporters can't really can't describe specific policy proposals? Using the example of health care, can you describe a policy in your own words a Bernie trade program and compare it to Trump's? Instead, you duck the issue and talk about the environment.

Let's try this. Do you Bernie would lower or increase the tariffs that Trump imposed on China? How's that? Can you answer this?
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
I could never support Bernie's positions on immigration or trade. comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #1
It Is Telling That No Bernie Supporter Is Defending Bernie's Trade Policy TomCADem Aug 2019 #10
They're both terrible. riverine Aug 2019 #2
Some will never admit President Obama Cha Aug 2019 #4
Yes, the TPP was a punching bag for the purity crowd in 2016 BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #5
Big Fat Fundraiser! Cha Aug 2019 #6
So true. betsuni Aug 2019 #9
Really? OrwellwasRight Aug 2019 #14
Yes, really. BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #15
Glad you read the 50+ page report so quickly. OrwellwasRight Aug 2019 #16
Donald Trump: I will appeal to Bernie Sanders supporters regarding China TomCADem Aug 2019 #24
To Repeat, OrwellwasRight Aug 2019 #30
In Those Video Clips, Bernie Seemed to Be Ripping off Trump... TomCADem Aug 2019 #37
2nd the Really. Cha Aug 2019 #34
Here's The Question. Can You Explain Bernie's Position Yourself? TomCADem Aug 2019 #18
I didn't throw up a link to say so and so vouches for him. OrwellwasRight Aug 2019 #19
So, the difference is that we call Trump's Trade Policy Progressive? TomCADem Aug 2019 #20
You write a long rebuttal for someone who never read the original post, much less the links OrwellwasRight Aug 2019 #21
I Apologize. Let me give an example. Health Care TomCADem Aug 2019 #23
As stated ion post #21 OrwellwasRight Aug 2019 #31
Bernie Sanders: 'Of course' I would use tariffs as President TomCADem Aug 2019 #33
Of course other countries would put tariffs on Chinese steel OrwellwasRight Sep 2019 #39
Please, not that ISDS fearmongering crap again riverine Aug 2019 #28
Wow -- try reading... OrwellwasRight Aug 2019 #29
I LOVE all that protection for us Americans! riverine Aug 2019 #36
Wow. You read exactly none of the links did you? OrwellwasRight Sep 2019 #38
Bernie's Trade and Foreign Policy Are Contradictory TomCADem Aug 2019 #7
Practically everything he does is contradictory Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #13
.. Cha Aug 2019 #35
+1 betsuni Aug 2019 #8
Uninformed knee jerk reactions and insidious propaganda got us in this fix. yardwork Aug 2019 #25
Bernies is long term, something that US companies can plan for, build out US production for yaesu Aug 2019 #3
Every business will be leary of investing if BS is elected Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #12
Every one of BS's policies is extreme Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #11
K&R betsuni Aug 2019 #17
Kick for exposure. Cha Aug 2019 #22
Bernie is another self-important Ralph Nader. keithbvadu2 Aug 2019 #26
Don't care for Sanders or Warren on these issues. Plus their criticism of Obama and Hoyt Aug 2019 #27
This! Thekaspervote Aug 2019 #32
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