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BlueMTexpat

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35. Joe is not now

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:27 PM

Mar 2019

and never will be among my top preferences, however he tries to style himself.

He was excellent in combination with Prez O. But he is not the thinker that Barack Obama is and alone, never could be.

For me, his work and influence at getting Clarence Thomas - up to that time, the least-qualified Supreme Court nominee ever - confirmed to the US Supreme Court and his failure - even today - to apologize to Anita Hill for the way she was treated at the time are MAJOR red flags.

I do not believe that he really ever learned any lesson from those experiences. If he did, it wasn't the right one.

Finally, the way he has been so coyly sitting on the fence for months now is a REAL turn-off.

While I am and will remain firmly committed to supporting the eventual Dem nominee, whoever that person may be, I believe that we have MUCH better options than Joe Biden. Or SBS, for that matter.

It's time to bow out gracefully.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Why does Biden claim he has "the most progressive record of anyone running"? [View all] pnwmom Mar 2019 OP

Because to be a "progressive" means moving things forwards (positively). CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #1

He's the only "progressive" with a record of voting against busing for desegregation, repeatedly pnwmom Mar 2019 #2

Biden took the correct stance on forced school bussing IMO. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #19

Those that use the busing issue to be critical of Biden do not realize what a disaster that was still_one Mar 2019 #61

No kidding; I remember watching it on the news every night. It was a war zone. LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #66

But some of Biden's statements do not sit well with me womanofthehills Mar 2019 #80

Anita Hill Still Rankles Me. Mar 2019 #26

You are not alone BlueMTexpat Mar 2019 #37

... Me. Mar 2019 #40

slam dunk. ucrdem Mar 2019 #5

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Mar 2019 #44

Because anybody can say anything they want Renew Deal Mar 2019 #3

It's true that he's more progressive than Elizabeth Warren? LOL. n/t pnwmom Mar 2019 #4

Warren ran down the TPP for reasons that remain mysterious. ucrdem Mar 2019 #6

What does progressive really mean? Renew Deal Mar 2019 #7

Not what he said. Igel Mar 2019 #8

What has she done? How about the Consumer Protection Agency? pnwmom Mar 2019 #10

For most of the time Biden was in the Senate... OilemFirchen Mar 2019 #14

During the period of time when they were BOTH in the Senate, her record was much more progressive.nt pnwmom Mar 2019 #17

Warren won election in 2012 karynnj Mar 2019 #36

DU'ers told me in 2004 that Kerry was a "centrist Democrat". Tired of the label emulatorloo Mar 2019 #79

I so agree with you on these labels karynnj Mar 2019 #81

Thanks for the long reply. We are pretty much on the same page when it comes to 2020 emulatorloo Mar 2019 #82

He'll say that he evolved. aikoaiko Mar 2019 #9

He's muddying his message and I don't think it will work. marylandblue Mar 2019 #11

Not really, I heard it as he knew was going to be muddied, and R B Garr Mar 2019 #12

It really can be difined in numerous ways. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #13

He's an old-school progressive. OilemFirchen Mar 2019 #15

LOL. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #16

Old school progressives didn't usually lead campaigns against school busing. n/t pnwmom Mar 2019 #18

Which self-styled "progressives" are running on bringing back 70s-style forced bussing? CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #20

Old school progressives also didn't support the banking industry over people with onerous pnwmom Mar 2019 #21

Can I take the dodge of my question as a tacit admission that you concede the point? CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #22

Can I take the dodge of my question as a tacit admission that you concede the point pnwmom Mar 2019 #24

Why would Biden have to be constrained by Warren's R B Garr Mar 2019 #25

Because their years of public service are the only part of their record that matters. n/t pnwmom Mar 2019 #30

They both haven't served the exact same time/years. nt R B Garr Mar 2019 #42

Elizabeth Warren never introduced a bill like the Civil Forfeitures act, Biden's bill, pnwmom Mar 2019 #45

Biden has more to his record than the 4 items you R B Garr Mar 2019 #48

If you read the MSNBC article in the OP, there are more than 4 items. He was considered to be pnwmom Mar 2019 #51

Actually, there are about 4 actual voted on items. The rest R B Garr Mar 2019 #54

How is he the most progressive, given even those 4 items? How could the most progressive pnwmom Mar 2019 #55

Progressive isn't just what Justice Democrats, Brand New Congress R B Garr Mar 2019 #56

Biden affected many more lives with his civil asset forfeiture bill than EW, as a private citizen, pnwmom Mar 2019 #57

There are stories of Warren flipping foreclosed R B Garr Mar 2019 #59

The houses that she bought had already been lost to foreclosure before she purchased them. pnwmom Mar 2019 #60

She profited on distressed properties. Who else did that? R B Garr Mar 2019 #62

Adding to the demand side for foreclosed properties only incentivized banks to CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #67

Not a bit. First Joe Biden's career isn't limited to the Senate as he as VP CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #29

Vice Presidents don't write or vote on legislation. n/t pnwmom Mar 2019 #49

So? They still influence policy and can have a real world impact advancing progress. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #50

Please give a single concrete example of how he advanced progress as V.P., pnwmom Mar 2019 #52

Gun control, PPACA, to begin with ucrdem Mar 2019 #58

Yep, he also led the Administration to openly support marriage equality. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #68

Sen. Coons from Delaware was on This Week this morning R B Garr Mar 2019 #72

I agree. I caught that myself live. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #73

Indeed he did. His statement apparently forced Obama's hand from what I have read. emulatorloo Mar 2019 #78

plus 1 million Celerity Mar 2019 #46

+1. His 2005 bankruptcy "reform" effectively enslaved millions of Americans to the banks for life dalton99a Mar 2019 #47

That's certainly a blemish in his past. OilemFirchen Mar 2019 #23

Not a blemish. He looked past the orthodoxy of the left and saw a remedy CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #32

It's a blemish. OilemFirchen Mar 2019 #33

If being correct on an issue is a "blemish" then I'll back Scarface. CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #43

There are plenty of issues to debate against Biden, but I wouldn't use bussing. Bussing was a still_one Mar 2019 #63

maybe he means actually getting things done which includes 2008 and 2012 elections JI7 Mar 2019 #27

Biden's candidacy is a tale of generational changes Otto Lidenbrock Mar 2019 #28

And many would argue that we're now at a time of generational change crazycatlady Mar 2019 #41

Perhaps he's misinformed? comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #31

8 years as Obama's right-hand man is enough for me. The Obama/Biden ticket delivered real progress. Doodley Mar 2019 #34

Biden is progressive on most of the issues still_one Mar 2019 #64

Joe is not now BlueMTexpat Mar 2019 #35

Don't forget civil asset forfeiture Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2019 #38

Thank you. I didn't know this, and this is very important. I've added this to the OP. nt pnwmom Mar 2019 #39

+1. Another barbaric act against the poor and minorities dalton99a Mar 2019 #53

Because he's gaffe prone. nt Autumn Mar 2019 #65

I don't know. Turin_C3PO Mar 2019 #69

Exactly. And a more moderate candidate could actually help in getting Independents pnwmom Mar 2019 #70

Right now I'm backing Biden Turin_C3PO Mar 2019 #71

That's sort of where I am. He might actually win by playing toward his more moderate past. pnwmom Mar 2019 #74

Joe Biden is the most electable candidate that the Democratic Party has available Gothmog Mar 2019 #75

I get it. You hate Biden. The majority of Democrats don't agree emulatorloo Mar 2019 #76

Because... Mike Nelson Mar 2019 #77