Total horse shit... (Reply #160) - Democratic Underground

In the discussion thread: Nader supporter Michael Moore needs to shut up [View all]

Sat Dec 28, 2019, 02:52 PM

160. Total horse shit...

We will win when we put somebody on that ballot that excites the base

Total horse shit. That's not "the base" that's being described.

The "base" of the Democratic party are the ones who are LOYAL to the party. The "base" are the ones who ALWAYS VOTE in every election. The "base" of the Democratic party are the ones who only vote for Democrats. The "base" are the ones who volunteer, donate, canvass, stuff-envelopes, man phone banks, hand out flyers at polling places.

The "base" doesn't need to be convinced to do anything. It's very insulting for anyone to 1) act like the base aren't loyal... and 2) try to pretend that the unreliable and malcontent voters are the "base" (they're not!)

The real "base" will vote for the party's nominee even if they aren't thrilled that their first choice didn't make it. The real "base" doesn't need to be personally excited or "in-love" with the nominee. The "base" will vote for the Democrat because it's good for the country, not because their own personal vanities have been validated and not because their egos have been stroked.

All I'm saying is the far-left malcontents, and the unreliable youth-vote are NOT the base.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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257 replies	Author	Time	Post
Nader supporter Michael Moore needs to shut up [View all]	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2019	OP
Fuck you, Michael Moore!	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#1
That's a lot of waste.	The Valley Below	Dec 2019	#6
Sad	ChubbyStar	Dec 2019	#137
I can think of some others that need your scorn a lot more. But that's pretty scornful.	erronis	Dec 2019	#8
Don't worry, I'll get to them too.	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#12
It is easier to just ignore Moore	Gothmog	Dec 2019	#29
The talking heads on MSNBC love his sorry ass.	comradebillyboy	Dec 2019	#101
Espically Chris Hayes	Gothmog	Dec 2019	#103
+++	still_one	Dec 2019	#33
Well said	mcar	Dec 2019	#130
Is Nadar running in the 2020 Democratic primary? This post seems to imply that.	Farmer-Rick	Dec 2019	#217
This isn't about Nader... it's about the treacherous Michael Moore who supported Nader...	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#234
He's thoughtful, studied, and often right, no reason at all to suggest he 'shut up.'	elleng	Dec 2019	#2
He's "right" no more often than any other asshole pundit...	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#11
Couldn't have said it better myself ....	CatMor	Dec 2019	#17
+1	ChiTownDenny	Dec 2019	#18
Thats not why	booley	Dec 2019	#63
Thanks	elleng	Dec 2019	#69
LOL!	ChiTownDenny	Dec 2019	#73
Yes. Russian lies. Far-left lies. Republican lies.	Hortensis	Dec 2019	#75
It won't get better...	sacto95834	Dec 2019	#189
Trump won because of increased partisanship and identity based on race.	betsuni	Dec 2019	#196
Agree with reservation...	sacto95834	Dec 2019	#228
I thought Hillary, as the candidate, took her share of responsibility... I commend her.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#208
... and people ignore the sage advice of MM at their own risk.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#209
Thanks...	sacto95834	Dec 2019	#230
Your welcome... excellent post, as usual. I agree with you on so many levels.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#231
Well he sure was right about his prediction based on what happened or didnt happen in Michigan.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#31
Are you now GLOATING about Hillary Clinton losing to trump in 2016?	George II	Dec 2019	#34
It looks that way.	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#70
I see no gloating. Just a reminder of inconvenient history.	aikoaiko	Dec 2019	#81
"Well he sure was right about his prediction based on what happened or didnt happen in Michigan."	George II	Dec 2019	#82
I really don't see that as gloating about Hillary's loss.	aikoaiko	Dec 2019	#84
PRECISELY the point!! Thanks aikoaiko for NOT misrepresenting WHAT I WAS ACTUALLY SAYING!!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#91
Moore predicted the Democrats would lose in every election I can remember... a broken clock is right	Demsrule86	Dec 2019	#118
Was he wrong or was he right?	Hassin Bin Sober	Dec 2019	#92
Who, and about what?	George II	Dec 2019	#97
Thank you!! Intellectual honesty is always appreciated!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#90
Hillary lost to trump	RandiFan1290	Dec 2019	#141
We were talking about how "brilliant" Michael Moore was. It was gloating.	George II	Dec 2019	#143
She should have campaigned there	RandiFan1290	Dec 2019	#144
She did.	George II	Dec 2019	#146
Thank you. Another myth busted.	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#159
She went to Flint, Michigan to do something about the water crisis before other candidates.	betsuni	Dec 2019	#162
Michael Moore lives in Flint, what did he do?	George II	Dec 2019	#175
I curious about that.	betsuni	Dec 2019	#177
Here are ALL of her campaign stops in Michigan:	George II	Dec 2019	#170
Thanks, I haven't seen that before.	betsuni	Dec 2019	#174
WITHOUT A DOUBT!! TRAGIC MISTAKE ON HILLARY'S PART... WHICH SHE HAS ADMITTED.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#210
Because of all the Sanders supporters who voted for Trump in those states	mcar	Dec 2019	#173
If so it's probably not the first time.	BannonsLiver	Dec 2019	#251
He didn't predict why.	The Velveteen Ocelot	Dec 2019	#78
Thank you. Well said. nt	SunSeeker	Dec 2019	#199
In what ways is he thoughtful and studied? N/T	lapucelle	Dec 2019	#42
Predictions	elleng	Dec 2019	#68
That kind of negativity discourages voting. People who believe him will stay home.	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#71
No, you are wrong, but for the fact he is not physically attractive.	elleng	Dec 2019	#79
I'm right. You're wrong.	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#80
Good bye	elleng	Dec 2019	#83
Thank you for the discussion.	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#86
Yes, you'd think peeps would take his predictions more into account after his last ones.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#93
REALLY!	elleng	Dec 2019	#95
Yes, especially since he seems to have his finger on the pulse of the working class.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#109
Quite concerning to me.	elleng	Dec 2019	#110
So much concern.	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#158
With all this concern, at this point I think maybe thoughts and prayers	justhanginon	Dec 2019	#202
For anyone who might not know	MuseRider	Dec 2019	#124
He's anti Democrat so fuck him hard	nini	Dec 2019	#244
Yeah About four years ago.	LakeArenal	Dec 2019	#3
I stopped paying attention to Moore a long time ago	Gothmog	Dec 2019	#4
"I stopped paying attention to Moore a long time ago."	LenaBaby61	Dec 2019	#26
Big mistake... MM has some excellent insight into the goings on with the working class.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#232
Caught his interview on	Wellstone ruled	Dec 2019	#5
So did I catch it, early morning today,	elleng	Dec 2019	#9
Thanks for the info.	Wellstone ruled	Dec 2019	#13
Amy Goodman is an excellent journalist....	sacto95834	Dec 2019	#233
Thank you for that... very interesting!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#52
Democracy Now was founded by Amy Goodman. Enough said.	George II	Dec 2019	#35
It was an interesting interview... people completely dismiss him at their own risk.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#48
Yes, it was VERY insightful.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#211
Trump winning is good for Michael Moore, Inc.	BannonsLiver	Dec 2019	#7
He made some interesting movies, but that doesn't make him an interesting speaker.	TreasonousBastard	Dec 2019	#164
I certainly like that locution.	NNadir	Dec 2019	#168
K&R n/t	PhoenixDem	Dec 2019	#10
He's definitely a bloviator. But he's probably right.	progressoid	Dec 2019	#14
Agreed.	mahina	Dec 2019	#15
That's not new; we've heard that over and over and over	treestar	Dec 2019	#22
"It does no good to pit one group against another"	progressoid	Dec 2019	#43
Well they started it	treestar	Dec 2019	#89
In 2015, nonvoters were more likely to be "younger, less educated, less affluent, and nonwhite."	progressoid	Dec 2019	#117
I'm tired of the concept that the rest of us have to give	treestar	Dec 2019	#150
Unlike most Democrats, I too have voted in every election (except one when I was ill.)	progressoid	Dec 2019	#155
Anyone who won't vote now	treestar	Dec 2019	#169
HE'S PROBABLY RIGHT?! DAMN STRAIGHT HE'S RIGHT ABOUT THAT!!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#57
Total horse shit...	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#160
Are people of color part of our base?	progressoid	Dec 2019	#165
Is that a serious question?	George II	Dec 2019	#171
via dictionary.com	progressoid	Dec 2019	#225
And what did voter suppression have to do with these numbers?	mcar	Dec 2019	#172
POC voter turnout increased in 2018. Voter suppression ended in 2016?	progressoid	Dec 2019	#181
"A more important explanation for the drop in African American turnout had to do with Obama and	betsuni	Dec 2019	#176
Putin and Russian efforts to depress African American voters worked	Gothmog	Dec 2019	#178
Didn't work in the mid-terms though.	progressoid	Dec 2019	#183
You do know that US Cyber Command blocked the Russians during the midterms?	Gothmog	Dec 2019	#186
And Democratic voters were extremely fucking motivated to vote.	progressoid	Dec 2019	#187
Democrats had 9 million more votes in 2018 compared to the GOP in House races	Gothmog	Dec 2019	#212
Dems should know this too.. and not be	Cha	Dec 2019	#184
"States with harsh new voting laws, such as Wisconsin, saw turnout dip 1.7 points	betsuni	Dec 2019	#179
FactChecking Clinton's Voter Suppression Claims	progressoid	Dec 2019	#185
Nobody is saying voter suppression is the sole reason for turnout decrease.	betsuni	Dec 2019	#188
GOP voter suppression techniques work	Gothmog	Dec 2019	#215
Rigged: How Voter Suppression Threw Wisconsin to Trump	Gothmog	Dec 2019	#214
This	treestar	Dec 2019	#255
Yes.	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#182
I used to think that there were no stupid questions but only stupid answers	NYMinute	Dec 2019	#206
Ha!	betsuni	Dec 2019	#207
I'm surprised how many intelligent people can't recognize a rhetorical question.	progressoid	Dec 2019	#226
We understand it fine. We just categorize it the way it should be categorized.	NYMinute	Dec 2019	#235
Delaware is the only one with an increase from both	treestar	Dec 2019	#254
Thank you, Nurse Jackie!	True Blue American	Dec 2019	#198
See to me there is a difference	proud patriot	Dec 2019	#16
He voted for Nader	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2019	#19
Sneaky game?	ChubbyStar	Dec 2019	#21
Yes he is	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2019	#24
I voted for Nader In 92	proud patriot	Dec 2019	#23
Thanks for helping Bush!	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2019	#25
whoops I meant 96 .. bush wasn't running dole was	proud patriot	Dec 2019	#39
Ok	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2019	#49
Nader wasn't running in 2016	mountain grammy	Dec 2019	#27
He was in 2000	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2019	#28
How exactly is Moore sneaky?	mountain grammy	Dec 2019	#37
Maybe the poster has some insight on sneaky	ChubbyStar	Dec 2019	#38
I know, right?	mountain grammy	Dec 2019	#41
me too	proud patriot	Dec 2019	#44
He is trying to scare Democratic voters	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2019	#47
Scare Democratic?	ChubbyStar	Dec 2019	#51
Indeed	mountain grammy	Dec 2019	#54
Democratic voters	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2019	#59
You're not very good at this	RandiFan1290	Dec 2019	#142
Projection	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2019	#149
Yes... exactly!	Thekaspervote	Dec 2019	#192
The Shite moore says..	Cha	Dec 2019	#191
You got that right MG!! You can disagree with someone and still have respect for them.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#111
Really?	ehrnst	Dec 2019	#242
Sez you.. moore is a fucking sneaky idiot says me.	Cha	Dec 2019	#238
He's not helping when his definition of a "centrist" is Hillary Clinton.n/t	pnwmom	Dec 2019	#40
is that an insult ?	proud patriot	Dec 2019	#50
From his perspective and that of his fans, it's an insult.	pnwmom	Dec 2019	#72
I agree w/ u about Hillary	proud patriot	Dec 2019	#102
Hillary was a liberal since her college days and tried to give us universal healthcare in the 90's.	Demsrule86	Dec 2019	#113
I agree	proud patriot	Dec 2019	#163
Moderates never say that	treestar	Dec 2019	#94
Yes they do	proud patriot	Dec 2019	#104
Very rare if they do	treestar	Dec 2019	#151
Exactly!	mountain grammy	Dec 2019	#216
HRC a centrist? She was pushing for universal healthcare in 1990 and everyone boohooed her. nt	yaesu	Dec 2019	#20
That was the 90's.	progressoid	Dec 2019	#45
She said, as president: "I would have gone after the drug companies to bring down prices and fought	betsuni	Dec 2019	#122
Yes. Why would you think she wasn't? You may want to pull up some of her speeches....	George II	Dec 2019	#147
She hardly pushed.	mountain grammy	Dec 2019	#60
This is not at all true.	OldRed2450	Dec 2019	#100
She said it failed to get enough votes because of lack of compromise.	betsuni	Dec 2019	#108
THIS!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#112
That!	George II	Dec 2019	#167
That is not true and out of the ashes...they managed to get CHIP which has saved millions of kids.	Demsrule86	Dec 2019	#119
Nah, sorry. A great president?	mountain grammy	Dec 2019	#121
Yes a great president...tired of the Clinton bashing...He was a great president and she would have	Demsrule86	Dec 2019	#125
Let's be clear. I'm not bashing Clinton	mountain grammy	Dec 2019	#213
It was a different time. The country had moved right after Reagan...Clinton never had a majority...	Demsrule86	Dec 2019	#221
Republicans.	betsuni	Dec 2019	#127
Thanks for that...very interesting and true.	Demsrule86	Dec 2019	#222
Yes he was and Hillary is responsible for some great accomplishments including CHIP	Thekaspervote	Dec 2019	#193
Got any sources to back up that attack?	ehrnst	Dec 2019	#241
It's his nature to sabotage what he claims to support.	Hortensis	Dec 2019	#30
Michael Moore Rocks And Told Us Trump Was Gonna Win - We Ignored His Warning	DanieRains	Dec 2019	#32
He also said mccain and r9mney were going to win, and a vote for Gore was a vote for	still_one	Dec 2019	#36
This	squirecam	Dec 2019	#56
Yup	still_one	Dec 2019	#77
No MM does NOT "rock".. in fact just the OPPOSITE	Cha	Dec 2019	#55
Hillary isn't "Centrist" read the fucking Platform, MM.. and look	Cha	Dec 2019	#46
Clinton is only a centrist to the purity left.	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2019	#64
Exactly.. they must think if they say	Cha	Dec 2019	#66
And only then as a clueless insult. To understand the	Hortensis	Dec 2019	#123
+1000	Thekaspervote	Dec 2019	#194
Moore's a	Cha	Dec 2019	#197
You mean the platform that moved to the left to bring in Sanders' supporters?	Cuthbert Allgood	Dec 2019	#256
What Moore Really Needs To Do	Me.	Dec 2019	#53
You were an employee?	ChubbyStar	Dec 2019	#76
No	Me.	Dec 2019	#126
"I've come to the conclusion that the old guard of the Democratic Party is a greater roadblock	betsuni	Dec 2019	#58
Fuck that guy.	John Fante	Dec 2019	#85
He's worse than Cenk Uygur (except for the bestiality stuff). He truly hates Democrats and...	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#87
The thing I don't get is how they tell their audiences that both parties are the same	betsuni	Dec 2019	#98
And that is exactly why the millenials	treestar	Dec 2019	#99
Yeah, he's full of shite. just jabbers to be jabbering..	Cha	Dec 2019	#134
And still thinks the DNC has superpowers to rig elections.	betsuni	Dec 2019	#135
He gaslights.. wants people to	Cha	Dec 2019	#136
K	Me.	Dec 2019	#161
Moore was right about Trump winning	booley	Dec 2019	#61
Was he right about McCain and Romney winning?	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2019	#62
But the broken clock doesn't CROW and BOAST and BELLOW about being right two times...	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#96
I've liked Michael since Roger and Me	90-percent	Dec 2019	#65
Haaaaaa!	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#74
Bill Maher & Moore literally got on their knees on TV and begged Nader not to run.	progressoid	Dec 2019	#153
Funny gag. Cute stunt.	NurseJackie	Dec 2019	#157
Yup, Roger and Me was an awesome movie... it really awakened a lot of people at the time.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#114
He's allowed to have his opinions	JustAnotherGen	Dec 2019	#67
When he comes on any media ...radio, TV...whatever, I immediately turn it off...I never want to hear	Demsrule86	Dec 2019	#116
I just saw a clip on MSNBC	JustAnotherGen	Dec 2019	#139
We have only to look at midterms...did the AOC wing win the house for us? Nope...it was	Demsrule86	Dec 2019	#224
Yup! His spot really haven't changed	Thekaspervote	Dec 2019	#195
He is a POS and in reality he supports his own sorry ass...of course he helped Trump win with his	Demsrule86	Dec 2019	#223
Has Michael Moore ever predicted a Democratic victory...EVER??	Lexblues	Dec 2019	#88
I disagree. He is free to offer his opinion just like anyone else is.	totodeinhere	Dec 2019	#105
He also predicted McCain and Romney would win	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2019	#107
if Trump has a chance of winning the 2020 election then we should be scared. n/t	totodeinhere	Dec 2019	#128
Yes, he has quite a few points.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#115
Which points would those be? nt	sheshe2	Dec 2019	#243
The ones where he praises Bernie unconditionally	BannonsLiver	Dec 2019	#252
Thanks for clearing that up, Bannon.	sheshe2	Dec 2019	#253
I am sure that he will not shut up.	roody	Dec 2019	#106
I for one hope he never does.	mountain grammy	Dec 2019	#120
Hard truths are hard to swallow	Hassin Bin Sober	Dec 2019	#132
Simple disagreements are hard to swallow	mountain grammy	Dec 2019	#218
Wait! Are we agreeing or disagreeing?	Hassin Bin Sober	Dec 2019	#220
We're definitely agreeing	mountain grammy	Dec 2019	#245
his relevance ended for me	MFM008	Dec 2019	#129
So let me get this straight...	choie	Dec 2019	#131
Never said that	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2019	#138
Yep. That's about the size of it.	Hassin Bin Sober	Dec 2019	#156
A filmmaker is treated as a soothsayer, while Hillary Clinton is told to shut up.	StarfishSaver	Dec 2019	#133
A "filmmaker" who	Cha	Dec 2019	#190
No he should not "shut up"	RandiFan1290	Dec 2019	#140
He also said McCain and Romney would beat Obama	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2019	#148
What happened to the "Big Tent" Democratic Party?!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#180
They only like the right side big enough to enter	RandiFan1290	Dec 2019	#204
Yes & its beginnin to look more like a "pup tent," certainly not big enough for the progressive left	InAbLuEsTaTe	Dec 2019	#205
Oh he can talk	ismnotwasm	Dec 2019	#145
Even if he's right once, that does not mean he is always right from now on	treestar	Dec 2019	#152
He was trying to find common ground with people who strongly oppose us	JonLP24	Dec 2019	#201
He just refuses to acknowledge all the elements that went into	Kahuna7	Dec 2019	#154
It's a view	lees1975	Dec 2019	#166
If you bring up Nader supporter	JonLP24	Dec 2019	#200
She was an unknown...and had little impact but Moore had huge rallies that changed folks mind...	Demsrule86	Dec 2019	#239
I think it was Nader himself campaigning in swing states right before the election	JonLP24	Dec 2019	#240
I do...such people influence other voters.	Demsrule86	Dec 2019	#246
The other day there was a post here, basically accusing those not	dewsgirl	Dec 2019	#203
+1	Dem4Life1102	Dec 2019	#219
His physical appearance is not what makes him unattractive...it is the naked opportunism and the	Demsrule86	Dec 2019	#227
I'm sorry, what did he do in 2000? I tried to Google didn't	dewsgirl	Dec 2019	#229
He supported and voted for Nader...	Demsrule86	Dec 2019	#236
I remember the 2016 stuff, I was 22 in 2000 and not paying	dewsgirl	Dec 2019	#237
I wasn't paying attention much either...only after the fact when we elected one of the worst	Demsrule86	Dec 2019	#247
Me too, until the Access Hollywood tapes, I was to busy.	dewsgirl	Dec 2019	#248
I am all in this time...	Demsrule86	Dec 2019	#249
Me too, 100 percent.	dewsgirl	Dec 2019	#250
KICK!	Cha	Dec 2019	#257

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