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Showing Original Post only (View all)Before you accept Flores's story about Biden, you need to read this. [View all]
I want to bring up one paragraph from the article about this in The Cut, a paragraph which the Mediaite article posted here earlier LEFT OUT.
https://www.mediaite.com/online/breaking-ex-nevada-dem-assemblywoman-accuses-joe-biden-of-blatantly-inappropriate-and-unnerving-behavior/
Probably they left that one paragraph out because it sheds a different light on Biden's behavior, and suggests a different, perfectly innocent motivation.
This is the paragraph, part of Flores's account:
https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/an-awkward-kiss-changed-how-i-saw-joe-biden.html
I found my way to the holding room for the speakers, where everyone was chatting, taking photos, and getting ready to speak to the hundreds of voters in the audience. Just before the speeches, we were ushered to the side of the stage where we were lined up by order of introduction. As I was taking deep breaths and preparing myself to make my case to the crowd, I felt two hands on my shoulders. I froze. Why is the vice-president of the United States touching me?
That sounds to me as if she was obviously nervous, possibly even appearing panicky to someone like Biden. Her deep breathing could have looked like hyperventilating to those around her.
So Biden could very likely have put his hands on her shoulders as a reassuring gesture, and he could have gently kissed the back of her head for the same reason.
Obviously the attempt at reassurance backfired, and Flores took offense -- in part, it seems, because she wondered if her hair smelled dirty.
I felt him get closer to me from behind. He leaned further in and inhaled my hair. I was mortified. I thought to myself, I didnt wash my hair today and the vice-president of the United States is smelling it. And also, what in the actual fuck? Why is the vice-president of the United States smelling my hair? He proceeded to plant a big slow kiss on the back of my head. My brain couldnt process what was happening. I was embarrassed. I was shocked. I was confused. There is a Spanish saying, tragame tierra, it means, earth, swallow me whole. I couldnt move and I couldnt say anything. I wanted nothing more than to get Biden away from me. My name was called and I was never happier to get on stage in front of an audience.
IMO she's correct that her "brain couldn't process what was happening."
She needed to realize that if she was standing there feeling very nervous, taking deep breaths, she WOULD look like someone who needed to be reassured.
And if you think there's anything unusual about someone putting their hands on your shoulders to reassure you if you seem nervous, I suggest you google it.
Sigh.
I think it's a shame that Flores apparently never even CONSIDERED the possibility that Biden, a much more confident and experienced politician, was trying to reassure a younger, obviously nervous candidate before she went on stage.
I think it's even more of a shame that she never thought to ASK him about this or let him know he'd made her uncomfortable -- until now, when the fact Biden is leading Bernie in the polls, and she's a Bernie supporter, might make people question her timing.
And I think it's particularly grotesque, and journalistic malpractice, that Mediate very deliberately left out the part of her account that could help explain what Biden did.
Anyway, I think it's not just possible but LIKELY that Biden did act to reassure her, and those around them could've noticed and realized he was just trying to reassure her when she was obviously nervous, and for that reason had not given his behavior a second thought.
While Flores herself, who didn't process this correctly, has held a grudge against Biden for years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Before you accept Flores's story about Biden, you need to read this. [View all]
highplainsdem
Mar 2019
OP
No, I've seen the kind of stuff that comes up when one searches for Joe Biden on youtube.
TwilightZone
Mar 2019
#57
I agree... even if Flores WAS nervous, so what? How does that excuse unwanted touching?
InAbLuEsTaTe
Mar 2019
#116
Those are hugs. He's not nuzzling his nose into the necks and hair of these males.
pnwmom
Mar 2019
#59
I'm tryin to be fair to Joe... but, come on. You have to listen to what the victims are saying...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Mar 2019
#117
These stories have been out there for decades. When has Joe ever tried to explain them?
pnwmom
Mar 2019
#132
"The skinny guy with the funny name." I remember that, and I remember how I wanted him to run, even
NBachers
Mar 2019
#66
You had to mention Flores is a Bernie supporter... well that splains EVERYTHING!!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Mar 2019
#2
It's "You're early," not "Your early." And no, it isn't April 1, and the OP wasn't a joke.
highplainsdem
Mar 2019
#9
Really? You don't see an attempt at reassurance as any different than what the Mediaite
highplainsdem
Mar 2019
#8
You need to read more carefully. He kissed the back of her head (probably the top), not her neck.
highplainsdem
Mar 2019
#19
Coming up behind someone, putting your hands on their shoulders and putting your face in their
WhiskeyGrinder
Mar 2019
#18
You need to read more carefully. He didn't come up behind her -- they were lined up
highplainsdem
Mar 2019
#23
"And some people here think this should disqualify him from running for president?"
WhiskeyGrinder
Mar 2019
#28
I would be screwed. I am a toucher. An innocent toucher but a toucher none the less.
GemDigger
Mar 2019
#20
"BUT if the person being touched says NOTHING then they can't squak later when it suits their
WhiskeyGrinder
Mar 2019
#30
You can hold your encouragement. I said they weren't mine, not that I didn't know them. Yes, I
GemDigger
Mar 2019
#37
Even if you know them, it's important that they know they have autonomy over their own bodies.
WhiskeyGrinder
Mar 2019
#39
Do I dare tell you that today, I even chased down a little tyke, grabbed him, and ran with him?
GemDigger
Mar 2019
#47
This is like having a conversation with my drunken ex spouse. I did not tell you that twice.
GemDigger
Mar 2019
#51
It's a good thing you are not a public school teacher, cause you wouldn't last long.
MoonRiver
Mar 2019
#94
Wrong. Women have to make decisions about complaining about this kind of thing FREQUENTLY
pnwmom
Mar 2019
#60
Would Trump get the same benefit of the doubt if he tried to "reassure" someone the same way?
Renew Deal
Mar 2019
#22
Possibly not, but Biden isn't Trump. Biden isn't someone who divorced two of three wives and
highplainsdem
Mar 2019
#36
The timing of this story's release, and the fact Flores is a Sanders supporter, are valid reasons
highplainsdem
Mar 2019
#31
Yeah, let's not believe women who come forward after having already been victimized once...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Mar 2019
#121
It appears to me that Biden's response is an indication that this indeed did happen.
vsrazdem
Mar 2019
#56
It did strike me as somewhat suspect... I'd have to see Joe live and in person, however...
InAbLuEsTaTe
Mar 2019
#124
There's nothing at all inappropriate about it, especially if he was whispering something to her.
highplainsdem
Mar 2019
#99
Biden's critics, especially in the GOP, have tried to misuse that innocent behavior for years, even
highplainsdem
Mar 2019
#88
I don't want any males, except my husband & grandsons putting their hands on and/or kissing me.
MoonRiver
Mar 2019
#91
That's your prerogative, of course, but I hope you'll keep in mind, as I pointed out in reply 96
highplainsdem
Mar 2019
#100
Simple concept: Some people are huggers, and some aren't. And politicians in general
highplainsdem
Mar 2019
#96
Omigod, then we'd better have laws against anyone putting a reassuring hand on someone's shoulder,
highplainsdem
Mar 2019
#105
How did she know he didn't have the sniffles? I doubt that he kissed her head..nt
Kahuna7
Mar 2019
#147
Yes, and that does raise questions about her bringing up this story now. But I'm trying
highplainsdem
Mar 2019
#133
Oh, good grief. You're blaming Biden for George W. Bush massaging Merkel's shoulders
highplainsdem
Mar 2019
#139