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Happy Hoosier

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279. I don't disagree, but...

Reply to totodeinhere (Reply #278)

Tue Jan 21, 2020, 01:59 PM

Jan 2020

Do you at least recognize a potential problem in Sanders staffing his campaign with so many unrepentant Stein voters?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Why I Work Against Bernie Sanders During the Primaries [View all] MineralMan Jan 2020 OP

What keeps Bernie going is the energy of his supporters at140 Jan 2020 #1

That does not change anything I said. MineralMan Jan 2020 #6

And his ego, and blindness or indifference to the disruption he is causing MH1 Jan 2020 #26

I agree with you on that point..eom at140 Jan 2020 #116

This is my worry. cwydro Jan 2020 #189

I would not use the word energetic...ruthless comes to mind...and how many of them are operation Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #35

Then DownriverDem Jan 2020 #38

Post removed Post removed Jan 2020 #55

So, so true - which is why most AAs are having no part of his "revolution". They stand to suffer, Skya Rhen Jan 2020 #111

I agree. yardwork Jan 2020 #2

If you suport Joe Biden, who has suggested reaching out to the GOP as President, guillaumeb Jan 2020 #3

The answer to that is in my opening post. MineralMan Jan 2020 #8

Many consider McConnell to be a Ruassian pawn. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #13

Our next Democratic President will have to deal with all of that. MineralMan Jan 2020 #27

It is not a diversion to question the logic of your assertions. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #29

.. MineralMan Jan 2020 #32

Bi-Partisonship True Blue American Jan 2020 #79

Bipartisanship has been virtually nonexistent the last 20 yrs Doremus Jan 2020 #289

Because of Republicans. I True Blue American Jan 2020 #291

What makes you think Biden has suddenly found the secret to getting repukes to budge? Doremus Jan 2020 #295

How many years did Joe spend True Blue American Jan 2020 #296

Not only that but Biden said he would consider a Republican VP. MarcA Jan 2020 #17

There is that as well. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #19

Did you read reply #17 in this thread? eom guillaumeb Jan 2020 #25

He wrote reply #17. MineralMan Jan 2020 #46

As always those who support I think Sanders leave out the part where Joe said he couldn't think of Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #44

Yes, I heard the entire statement! True Blue American Jan 2020 #292

did you honestly put any weight into that? stopdiggin Jan 2020 #141

Yeah, what's with that?! Though, I think Joe backtracked on that one. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #217

Bernie said the same about working with WA-03 Democrat Jan 2020 #21

Agreed. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #201

Do you know anyone on Biden';s staff who voted for Trump? beastie boy Jan 2020 #24

My view: guillaumeb Jan 2020 #31

Thanks for sharing. I read your original post. beastie boy Jan 2020 #40

In my view, anyone who voted for Jill Stein was delusional, guillaumeb Jan 2020 #45

I am assuming that you agree: reaching out to someone outside your party is not beastie boy Jan 2020 #68

Given that Sanders votes progressively guillaumeb Jan 2020 #122

Yes I do...Elzabeth warren was GOP a long time ago but Democrats and her when she joined our Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #174

Is Biden actively employing Mitch McConnell or anyone who supported Trump Docreed2003 Jan 2020 #77

A tiny number of Sanders supporters attacked other candidates. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #129

please address why it is acceptable stopdiggin Jan 2020 #146

Candidates choose their own staffers. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #148

thanks. nothing more, nothing less. (nt) stopdiggin Jan 2020 #165

Exactly Cha Jan 2020 #319

What R's has Biden put on his staff? Sanders has done more than "reach out." pnwmom Jan 2020 #84

Biden did suggest that he would consider a GOP candidate for VP. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #126

He has no R's on his staff and the chance of him choosing an R for VP pnwmom Jan 2020 #134

Agreed. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #135

Joe also said he could not think of one! True Blue American Jan 2020 #293

I have noted that fact in previous posts. eom guillaumeb Jan 2020 #298

I know, but True Blue American Jan 2020 #300

Are you serious?? awesomerwb1 Jan 2020 #88

A tiny fraction of Sanders supporters guillaumeb Jan 2020 #124

By all means, please provide the exact awesomerwb1 Jan 2020 #162

Allow me... brooklynite Jan 2020 #280

BULLFEATHERS. Cha Jan 2020 #202

Does this suggest that every one of these voters were Sanders supporters? guillaumeb Jan 2020 #204

Deny it all you want.. The OP Is Dead ON.. and Cha Jan 2020 #209

There is nothig to support any assertion guillaumeb Jan 2020 #222

Keep it up. Cha Jan 2020 #225

First, you have recommended posts of mine supportive of Biden. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #228

Deny it all you want.. it's not working. Cha Jan 2020 #230

Are you saying the facts that I presented are not true? guillaumeb Jan 2020 #231

In Michigan, and Pennsylvania, in 2016, guillaumeb Jan 2020 #233

So it would have been more important that the remaining voters vote HRC. fleabiscuit Jan 2020 #303

My vierw is that the most important task is persuading the non-voter guillaumeb Jan 2020 #308

In my experience that is a study of pissing into the wind. nt fleabiscuit Jan 2020 #310

Thanks Cha! True Blue American Jan 2020 #306

You're Welcome, True Blue! Cha Jan 2020 #307

Good God, makes me hate him even more. nt fleabiscuit Jan 2020 #311

oh wow.. you didn't know this Cha Jan 2020 #312

To see it in frame after frame fleabiscuit Jan 2020 #313

yeah, Karma needs to Cha Jan 2020 #314

Exactly. Those numbers tell the story. MineralMan Jan 2020 #234

Yes, they tell the facts.. Thank you, MM! Cha Jan 2020 #235

No, it's does NOT. Hiring Pushers of Jill Stein Lies Cha Jan 2020 #200

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders urged Democrats to reach out to President Donald Trump's supporters ehrnst Jan 2020 #254

there are so many reasons... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #4

Many farmers and business owners suported Trump. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #16

and trump has hurt many of them badly....... getagrip_already Jan 2020 #23

In 2016, 47% of eligible Americans did not vote. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #28

it is, but that number is deceiving getagrip_already Jan 2020 #34

True. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #37

And they probably won't vote in 2020 either...chasing the elusive non-voter...is a waste of time Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #47

Write off 47%? guillaumeb Jan 2020 #48

We register as many as we can...but no point in going after voters who don't vote. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #175

There may be reasons. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #194

A fair number of people I have come across in my GOTV efforts just don't care. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #220

Putting them in the ignorant and uninformed category. eom guillaumeb Jan 2020 #223

I don't see much hope of reaching many of them. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #244

There is a way... that is proven to at least help. fleabiscuit Jan 2020 #315

Add me to that list! Pacifist Patriot Jan 2020 #5

A thoughtful post BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #7

Thank you. I am a Democrat. A lifelong Democrat. MineralMan Jan 2020 #15

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Bernie's vision is a fantasy with no plans for achieving it. comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #61

"Anti-Bernie Democrats?" cab67 Jan 2020 #65

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I'm curious to know what the deleted post said. cab67 Jan 2020 #94

There there. BannonsLiver Jan 2020 #80

This is one of the funniest posts I've read here in a while. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #86

I don't trust him either. K and R. Stuart G Jan 2020 #9

I actually met one of those. He kept the Bernie sticker on his car but calimary Jan 2020 #10

I also know a few Jill Stein voters who supported Sanders. MineralMan Jan 2020 #18

You can tell what a person is about by the company they keep and their actions. Botany Jan 2020 #11

Indeed...agree with all you said...and Warren is my second choice should Biden falter . Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #49

Siroto? True Blue American Jan 2020 #87

The fact that Sanders chose Jill Stein voters PatSeg Jan 2020 #12

That was a VERY LOUD AND CLEAR message of absolute contempt for Democrats... NurseJackie Jan 2020 #14

That's how I saw it, too. He knew exactly what he was doing when MineralMan Jan 2020 #20

A feeling of "if I can't get there, then I'm gonna make sure nobody else can, either." calimary Jan 2020 #33

Yup. Long-time Democrats would never do such a thing. MineralMan Jan 2020 #36

Running "as-a" Democrat is NOT the same thing as actually "being-a" Democrat. --- The word itself... NurseJackie Jan 2020 #56

You make good points. MineralMan Jan 2020 #58

100% True Blue American Jan 2020 #301

Agreed. Says one Hillary supporter who will NEVER forget. calimary Jan 2020 #22

Yes! Even more contemptible considering the one-sided R B Garr Jan 2020 #91

Maya Angelou: When someone shows you who they are, believe them. nt Hekate Jan 2020 #95

Good advice. And if they show you over and over and over again... NurseJackie Jan 2020 #98

Bush the Dumb:" Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me, uh, fool me, uh, can't get fooled again." Hekate Jan 2020 #102

They had to let him run or he would have run as LuvNewcastle Jan 2020 #128

Without the Democratic True Blue American Jan 2020 #302

That goes triple for me MM...you put it very well better than I would... This is why I work for the Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #30

Sometimes we hire the "soldiers" away from our enemies. aikoaiko Jan 2020 #39

No, I don't buy that. Not for a moment. MineralMan Jan 2020 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author aikoaiko Jan 2020 #52

Brock has not been hired by any candidate ... so send a link if I am wrong...if he just hates Trump Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #63

More like the enemy of my enemy is my friend. 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #119

Stein voters, justice Democrats, our revolution...all of those who went against the Democratic Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #176

David Brock did a 180 turn around.. the Stein Pushers Cha Jan 2020 #317

I'm with you; and if you would, please allow me to add my observations. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #42

Thank your for your very thoughtful reply. MineralMan Jan 2020 #43

What a great post...and not just because I agree with it either...well said. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #69

Amen! Docreed2003 Jan 2020 #89

This should be... Mike Nelson Jan 2020 #92

I totally agree. redstatebluegirl Jan 2020 #166

"... and he's following the same playbook..." I'm disgusted this is allowed, just disgusted to core uponit7771 Jan 2020 #196

Well said MM. I feel the same way still_one Jan 2020 #50

Can someone explain to me how sanders voter revolution works? Gothmog Jan 2020 #51

It seems to be an article of faith, like the transubstantiation of the Host Hekate Jan 2020 #159

I am Jewish and so this is not a concept that I am used to Gothmog Jan 2020 #167

It's a Roman Catholic thing. Read on... Hekate Jan 2020 #181

Using another Christian analogy, Bernie seems to regard himself as the Martin Luther The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #214

Why will sanders not do this for impeachment? Gothmog Jan 2020 #287

Well spotted Hekate Jan 2020 #288

'Interesting speculation' empedocles Jan 2020 #304

Wow. 303 empedocles Jan 2020 #305

Add me to the list. redstatebluegirl Jan 2020 #54

not helpful. Kurt V. Jan 2020 #57

No? Not helpful to whom? MineralMan Jan 2020 #60

to the democratic party. nt Kurt V. Jan 2020 #73

Jill Stein voters are not helpful to the Democratic Party. MineralMan Jan 2020 #107

Correct me if I'm wrong. stein got 1 million of 134 million votes cast. give or take. Kurt V. Jan 2020 #182

No...she took votes in the EC states that gave Trump his EC victory...there were enough votes for in Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #192

case in point. Thank you. Kurt V. Jan 2020 #211

I don't disagree about the Comey effect or the Russians...they made it close so with Stein Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #219

One of my deepest hopes cab67 Jan 2020 #59

I have no idea what he will do when he fails to get the nomination. MineralMan Jan 2020 #62

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Here's Google's translation: MineralMan Jan 2020 #66

Sounds like someone was being too clever by half! Hekate Jan 2020 #140

The funny thing is that I had no problem reading the original Russian MineralMan Jan 2020 #143

Yes, you have had an interesting life, MM Hekate Jan 2020 #155

For which I am very glad. MineralMan Jan 2020 #163

LOL. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #67

I have been here longer than MM though he has way more posts than me JonLP24 Jan 2020 #104

Argue all you want but he's not a troll. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #105

I'm saying he has been one of DU's more right leaning posters long before Bernie JonLP24 Jan 2020 #108

I don't support Bernie either, but I'm far from a right-winger. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #110

I didn't say anything about you JonLP24 Jan 2020 #112

... lapucelle Jan 2020 #178

The implication was that if you don't support Bernie you're probably a right-winger, The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #191

Yes that was the implication, and there have explicit attacks against posters saying exactly that. lapucelle Jan 2020 #216

And in that you're entirely wrong. Btw, we DO have Hortensis Jan 2020 #113

This board has more than a few JonLP24 Jan 2020 #120

You can educate yourself about ideology ranges on Hortensis Jan 2020 #130

Now you're making me blush... MineralMan Jan 2020 #139

:) Not to diminish any of our contributions Hortensis Jan 2020 #151

Skating on the edge today, are we? Hekate Jan 2020 #144

Just shine it on. That's what I do. MineralMan Jan 2020 #152

Right-leaning doesn't mean everyone to the right of Bernie. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #160

How interesting. MineralMan Jan 2020 #123

:) As everyone knows except those who must deny reality. Hortensis Jan 2020 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Jan 2020 #150

Oh, dear... MineralMan Jan 2020 #153

One shouldn't attack posters here...not good in any language. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #71

I agree. murielm99 Jan 2020 #70

+1000 Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #72

As a Democrat I Will Work Against Biden During the Primaries as he does not represent my needs Autumn Jan 2020 #74

Suit yourself. That's what primaries are for. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #78

Exactly. nt Autumn Jan 2020 #82

ITA. I've said if I have to hold my nose and vote for Biden come the election janterry Jan 2020 #81

Yeah, you do that. Cha Jan 2020 #318

I am wondering, though, The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #96

I'm not interested in your comparisons. Bernie Sanders caucuses with the Dems and is running as a Autumn Jan 2020 #229

Not a problem. Primary races are what they are. MineralMan Jan 2020 #100

Me too... zero chance Joe wins the primary once the vetting begins in earnest. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2020 #245

By the Democratic Convention in 2016 I didn't think my opinion of Sanders comradebillyboy Jan 2020 #76

I'm already seeing more #BernieorBust radical noodle Jan 2020 #83

The only reasonable explanation I can think of is... CaptainTruth Jan 2020 #85

That would be a more credible argument if those same people The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #109

I don't work against any candidate except tRump. nt yaesu Jan 2020 #90

Sadly, that's why I'm not supporting Bernie this time around. PatrickforO Jan 2020 #93

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #97

This thread is about Sanders' campaign tactics and governing style, not policies. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #103

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2020 #114

Thanks for participating in the thread. MineralMan Jan 2020 #118

I agree JonLP24 Jan 2020 #106

nope. I too find the "staff hires" almost inexplicable stopdiggin Jan 2020 #164

We have a DU given right to support whom we choose and don't need an 'excuse'. I didn't support Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #199

NOPE.. BS hiring stein pushers as his TOP Staff.. Cha Jan 2020 #316

Great aspirations-what is his record?? 2 post offices, a park, inclusion of women in defense bill, 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #127

To Senator Sanders' Credit, MineralMan Jan 2020 #133

What is he supposed to do, vote against the Dems? What amendments has he put through all by himself? 58Sunliner Jan 2020 #265

I'm familiar with how Sentator Sanders has voted. MineralMan Jan 2020 #266

In 2016, A coworker of mine wanted Bernie. When I asked her why GemDigger Jan 2020 #99

I agree with MM. SCVDem Jan 2020 #101

This post smells peoli Jan 2020 #115

So does a rose. MineralMan Jan 2020 #117

Thank you MM for stating this point so well...... nt fantase56 Jan 2020 #121

You're welcome. MineralMan Jan 2020 #125

Your first paragraph is a lie DacreMont8 Jan 2020 #131

Nobody's bullying you to do anything. MineralMan Jan 2020 #136

Briahna Joy Grey voted for Jill Stein LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #142

I believe Sirota also voted for Stein. MineralMan Jan 2020 #149

He publicly denies it, so I did not include him LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #157

Ah, OK. Thanks. MineralMan Jan 2020 #158

No problem. Mind you, I don't belive him. LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #161

Thanks for the reminder that it is time to send my contribution. rwsanders Jan 2020 #132

You're welcome. Contribute away as you think best. MineralMan Jan 2020 #137

Money can't vote...just saying Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #180

And another round of 2016 like bullying ain't going to have better results than it did then. rwsanders Jan 2020 #258

I agree...Sanders should support the Democratic nominee in the general this year . Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #259

Democratic nominee or democratic nominee? rwsanders Jan 2020 #261

I don't do small d, big D...we are all Dd. And there doesn't need to be any fix for Sanders to lose Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #276

It's not just his staffing issues (which are disqualifying on their own) The Valley Below Jan 2020 #145

That's true, but it was his staff that was my tipping point for this round. MineralMan Jan 2020 #147

Fully understandable. The staffing issues (alone) are good enough cause IMO. The Valley Below Jan 2020 #156

I will restate the obvious. Country over Party Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #154

What I can't figure out is why Warren isn't a more acceptable progressive choice The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #205

I agree that is a good question Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #232

Or maybe just plain ol'-fashion' sexism? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #242

I hope not also n/t Tom Rinaldo Jan 2020 #264

I don't think that's why melman Jan 2020 #168

Well, that's cryptic. Care to explain? MineralMan Jan 2020 #169

No melman Jan 2020 #170

Well, then, never mind... MineralMan Jan 2020 #171

Hey melman Jan 2020 #172

Well, you seem to be saying that I don't know my own mind. MineralMan Jan 2020 #173

You have well over 100,000 posts melman Jan 2020 #177

MM is not anti-Bernie...but pro-Democratic Party... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #184

Yes, I do. MineralMan Jan 2020 #185

I told you what I think melman Jan 2020 #197

Is that from "How to Make Friends and Influence People?" ehrnst Jan 2020 #187

Where did he say he just now decided not to support Bernie? TwilightZone Jan 2020 #252

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That is nonsense...we deal in opinions. you all just don't like MM's opinions... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #186

Not a Sanders supporters zipplewrath Jan 2020 #236

He explained his reasons for not supporting Sanders...I feel the same way. Hiring Stein supporters Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #243

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I don't agree. I enjoy MM posts and think he explains his positions...I never wonder why he feels Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #248

We can zipplewrath Jan 2020 #249

I don't have a problem with that. Everyone has a right to their opinion. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #251

Nope. I explained my opinion and the reasons I hold it MineralMan Jan 2020 #188

You're never willing to "defend" it. zipplewrath Jan 2020 #237

Have I said that in this thread? MineralMan Jan 2020 #238

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My signature line still says that. MineralMan Jan 2020 #240

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Signature lines don't show up in the Primaries forum. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #255

I find it troubling that any Democrat would actively work against a possible Democratic nominee True_Blue Jan 2020 #183

This is about the Democratic primary race. MineralMan Jan 2020 #190

I understand how primaries work, True_Blue Jan 2020 #207

I have a preferred candidate. I also consider Sanders to be a MineralMan Jan 2020 #208

Please note it is in the primary...and I would submit that Sanders and his Stein crew are actively Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #203

I've been through quite a few primaries in my lifetime True_Blue Jan 2020 #213

What do you think Russians have to do with my thread? MineralMan Jan 2020 #215

Maybe we should all work against nonpreferred candidates. aikoaiko Jan 2020 #193

Perhaps so. Tulsi Gabbard, for example. MineralMan Jan 2020 #195

That's what I have been explicitly doing here at DU regarding Tulsi Hekate Jan 2020 #210

Yes. MineralMan Jan 2020 #212

Knock yourself out. aikoaiko Jan 2020 #218

No need. MineralMan Jan 2020 #224

Judging from the anti-Biden posts...some of us do in the primary. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #206

Thank you Progressive dog Jan 2020 #198

I don's see Bernie as a uniter, which is what we so desperately need at this critical juncture dlk Jan 2020 #221

That, too. MineralMan Jan 2020 #226

Yes dlk Jan 2020 #227

As oppose to Clinton zipplewrath Jan 2020 #247

Neither...I want Biden. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #250

I trust Bernie Sanders ... NanceGreggs Jan 2020 #253

This doesn't bother me at all. We need people who voted for Stein last time to vote for totodeinhere Jan 2020 #256

No we do not need any Stein voter working for a Democratic candidate. As for moving on...I will neve Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #260

Well, I guess some people are more forgiving than others. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #277

I guess I am not that virtuous... Trump was elected. Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #282

yes we do need those voters this time questionseverything Jan 2020 #262

This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Jan 2020 #270

But will they? Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #267

I'm not sure if I buy that generalization or not. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #278

I don't disagree, but... Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #279

Of course I understand that some people will not let this go. totodeinhere Jan 2020 #281

It's not about "not letting this go" Happy Hoosier Jan 2020 #283

It's only ongoing because some people won't let go of a grudge. n/t totodeinhere Jan 2020 #285

Well, this is an interesting thread. TwilightZone Jan 2020 #257

Well, my positions and opinions on some subjects are not universally liked. MineralMan Jan 2020 #268

It is easier to attack you then to defend Sander's choice of staff...no one who didn't vote for the Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #271

Perhaps so. Fortunately, I'm like a duck in a rainstorm. MineralMan Jan 2020 #272

I agree completely. We must not allow Trump or any GOP four more years. I am not sure Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #273

What you said... MineralMan Jan 2020 #274

We are going to beat Trump...I feel it in my bones... Demsrule86 Jan 2020 #275

The op gets a lot of negative reactions because of some of his poor behavior in the past Kentonio Jan 2020 #284

Someone upthread accused HIM of "holding a grudge"! Hekate Jan 2020 #294

Ditto! n/t Tarheel_Dem Jan 2020 #263

You nailed it wryter2000 Jan 2020 #269

Although I may not ever work for a specific Democratic candidate LanternWaste Jan 2020 #286

Personally, I've been working against Tulsi Gabbard since early on, based on info about her leanings Hekate Jan 2020 #297

Sounds counter productive if your goal is to beat Trump booley Jan 2020 #290

KICK! Cha Jan 2020 #299

The attacks on this man by sanders supporters are sad Gothmog Jan 2020 #309

trump would destroy a weak candidate like sanders Gothmog Jan 2020 #320