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In reply to the discussion: Laurence Tribe, the Constitutional law prof at Harvard, has concerns about Bernie. [View all]Jarqui
(10,922 posts)44. A bunch of this is nonsense
"No one ever cared what sanders thought before this cycle."
Nonsense.
"The man has passed no meaningful legislation"
He's an independent and a critic of both parties.
He was the first independent successfully elected to congress in 40 years.
He was a critic of both parties - so he was treated as an outsider by both parties.
In more recent years, he was allowed to caucus with the Dems on some stuff.
The parties control the legislation from their members. They're not going to give an independent who criticizes them a fair shot.
What he did do from that position is all he could: he was the amendment king - he successfully got more amendments through than anyone else.
It is ignorant to attack his legislation record and not look at that.
" and no one bother to vet him. "
He has been running for office for 47 years.
All those he ran against and the media around him were vetting him on his positions and anything else they could find.
He did not get 47 years of free passes to elected office - particularly on the path he took - as an independent.
"He has no policies. Only slogans"
That's utter nonsense.
I supported Hillary. I switched to Sanders during the 2016 cycle.
The key reason: his policies were more progressive and in step with what I wanted to see happen.
Want to see them from May 2016:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160531080847/https://berniesanders.com/issues/
Here's more on what he said about Financial Institutions and Wall Street
They're not slogans. They're specific ideas.
Here is Hillary's Wall Street program:
"More will be coming out. Just be patient."
BS. Bernie's been hearing that for 47 years. How many more years are we supposed to wait?
You're trying to make folks fear some grand notion unique to Bernie that doesn't exist.
Nonsense.
"The man has passed no meaningful legislation"
He's an independent and a critic of both parties.
He was the first independent successfully elected to congress in 40 years.
He was a critic of both parties - so he was treated as an outsider by both parties.
In more recent years, he was allowed to caucus with the Dems on some stuff.
The parties control the legislation from their members. They're not going to give an independent who criticizes them a fair shot.
What he did do from that position is all he could: he was the amendment king - he successfully got more amendments through than anyone else.
It is ignorant to attack his legislation record and not look at that.
" and no one bother to vet him. "
He has been running for office for 47 years.
All those he ran against and the media around him were vetting him on his positions and anything else they could find.
He did not get 47 years of free passes to elected office - particularly on the path he took - as an independent.
"He has no policies. Only slogans"
That's utter nonsense.
I supported Hillary. I switched to Sanders during the 2016 cycle.
The key reason: his policies were more progressive and in step with what I wanted to see happen.
Want to see them from May 2016:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160531080847/https://berniesanders.com/issues/
Here's more on what he said about Financial Institutions and Wall Street
Wall Street cannot continue to be an island unto itself, gambling trillions in risky financial decisions while expecting the public to bail it out.
It is time to break up the largest financial institutions in the country.
The six largest financial institutions in this country today hold assets equal to about 60% of the nations gross domestic product. These six banks issue more than two-thirds of all credit cards and over 35% of all mortgages. They control 95% of all derivatives and hold more than 40% of all bank deposits in the United States.
We must break up too-big-to-fail financial institutions. Those institutions received a $700 billion bailout from the US taxpayer, and more than $16 trillion in virtually zero interest loans from the Federal Reserve. Despite that, financial institutions made over $152 billion in profit in 2014 the most profitable year on record, and three of the four largest financial institutions are 80% bigger today than they were before we bailed them out.
Our banking system must be part of the productive, job-creating economy. The Federal Reserve, a government entity which serves as the engine of the banking industry, must eliminate its internal conflicts of interest, provide stricter oversight, and insist that the banks serve the economy in a way that works for everyone, not just a few.
If a bank is too big to fail, it is too big to exist.
These institutions have acquired too much economic and political power, endangering our economy and our political process.
KEY ACTIONS
Introduced the Too Big to Fail, Too Big to Exist Act, which would break up the big banks and prohibit any too-big-to-fail institutions from accessing the Federal Reserves discount facilities or using insured deposits for risky activities.
Led the fight in 1999 defending Glass-Steagall provisions which prevented banks (especially too big to fail ones) from gambling with customers money, and currently is a co-sponsor of the Elizabeth Warren/John McCain bill to reinstate those provisions.
Has proposed a financial transaction tax which will reduce risky and unproductive high-speed trading and other forms of Wall Street speculation; proceeds would be used to provide debt-free public college education.
Is co-sponsoring Sen. Tammy Baldwins bill to end Wall Streets practice of paying big bonuses to bank executives who take senior-level government jobs.
Introduced a tax on Wall Street speculation to make public colleges and universities tuition-free
Supports capping credit card interest rates at 15%.
Sponsored an amendment calling for an audit the Federal Reserve. The audit found that far more had been spent in the Wall Street bailout than previously disclosed, and that considerable funds had been spent to bail out foreign corporations.
Warned about the risks of deregulation eight years before the fiscal crisis of 2008.
Has proposed limiting the ability of bankers to get rich from taxpayer bailouts of their institutions
They're not slogans. They're specific ideas.
Here is Hillary's Wall Street program:
Hillary Clinton has long stood up to Wall Street going back to her time as New York Senator, when she warned against abuses nearly a year before the crisis hit. While Senator Sanders pushes proposals scrutinized as unachievable and lacking detail beyond a slogan, Clinton has the strongest, most comprehensive plan to tackle risks on Wall Street and in the financial sector. As president, she would:
Defend Dodd-Frank against Republican attacks.
Impose a risk fee on the largest financial institutions and a tax on high-frequency trading.
Require firms that are too risky to manage to reorganize or even break apart.
Strengthen the Volcker Rule.
Strengthen oversight of the shadow banking system to reduce risk.
Hold individuals, not just corporations, accountable when they break the law, including through criminal prosecution.
Ensure that the financial sector serves the interests of investors and consumers, not just itself.
Slow the revolving door between the financial industry and government financial regulators.
"More will be coming out. Just be patient."
BS. Bernie's been hearing that for 47 years. How many more years are we supposed to wait?
You're trying to make folks fear some grand notion unique to Bernie that doesn't exist.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Laurence Tribe, the Constitutional law prof at Harvard, has concerns about Bernie. [View all]
pnwmom
Apr 2019
OP
We're all better off vetting everybody during the primaries, and not waiting till the general.
pnwmom
Apr 2019
#2
Will Prof.Tribe soon find himself looking up at the underside of a bus chassis?
The Velveteen Ocelot
Apr 2019
#3
Environmental dumping, taxes, Russian support in 2016, wife's college funding issues,
allgood33
Apr 2019
#76
We need look into candidates who are friendly to big pharna and Betsy Devos.
CentralMass
Apr 2019
#103
No one in the media took sanders seriously and so sanders has never been vetted
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#15
Jesus Christ. The BRUISING on his face! That was one hell of a head strike.
Maru Kitteh
Apr 2019
#271
I say no problem. People like Bernie and his policies and he's running against a neo nazi
CentralMass
Apr 2019
#109
In my experience, one can argue with a Berniebot, but you can't reason with one.
WheelWalker
Apr 2019
#163
What makes me want to "leave the room and puke" is his praise for Fidel's "Revolution"
Maru Kitteh
Apr 2019
#272
Actually, that's true. That's why the 24 whistleblowers leaked their own letter.
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#166
sanders was not vetted by the press and the Clinton campaign treated sanders with kid gloves
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#23
Biden and a couple other candidates would also beat sanders with African American voters
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#102
LOL Sanders was a light weight in civil rights movement and cannot compare to John Lewis
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#120
Right, we have Bernie Sanders who was involved with civil rights movement to the point that he
CentralMass
Apr 2019
#123
It always amazes me that Senator Sanders refused to vote against Governor Wallace
KitSileya
Apr 2019
#190
I won't watch videos of Cenk Uygur or The Young Turks. First, for years he, as a native of Turkey..
George II
Apr 2019
#146
Wow! Thanks for that background info on Cenk. He's a real piece of work, ain't he?
NurseJackie
Apr 2019
#149
"My brand shares a name with a genocidal movement, but it's too late to change it."
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#174
Apparently, Cenk's default position is to deny the existence of all sorts of stuff.
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#178
There is a difference between shooting the messenger and not trusting the messenger.
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#195
Fans of civil rights icon BS repaid the "slight" by trolling and ultimately booing Lewis
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#197
That's exactly the point. Lewis NEVER said Sanders wasn't in Alabama back then (he wasn't)....
George II
Apr 2019
#200
Isn't that tweet from the person BS hired to help craft his national message?
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#227
42% of Vermont voters favored Hallquist in October according to local reports.
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#199
My apologies...that 42% was Hallquist's number as reported by the local press.
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#215
Did anyone from Vermont (besides Sen Leahy) offer to raise funds with Hallquist?
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#221
I saw that you posted a picture and I was hoping to see some on white attendees
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#205
I am still waiting for pictures or video of non whites attending a sanders event
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#204
Cenk Uygur IS "The Young Turks"! He was born in Istanbul and for years denied the existence...
George II
Apr 2019
#171
"When the black leadership doesn't have their thumb on the scale" - what does that mean? And....
George II
Apr 2019
#128
What did he DO, not what did he say? I don't see anything specific that he did, like....
George II
Apr 2019
#133
I know that, but we keep hearing from Sanders surrogates that he was against the 1994....
George II
Apr 2019
#144
No. I heartily disagree. That is not factually correct or fair. It's wrong and misleading.
Jarqui
Apr 2019
#238
BS voted for versions of the Crime Bill that did not contain the assault weapons ban.
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#239
BS claimed that he voted for the Crime Bill because it included an assault weapons ban.
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#254
I think we have to deal with one thing at a time because you're having a problem
Jarqui
Apr 2019
#255
Why did you post links to right wing sources that disputed the honesty of fact checkers
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#240
The story you reference, first published in September 2016, was exclusive to The Daily Caller .
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#245
Why are you alleging corruption on the part of Politifact and the Democratic general election
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#248
Biden wrote, sponsored, and achieved enactment of the Violence Against Women Act...
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#234
I thought he's been a leader in the Senate? Leaders write and introduce legislation....
George II
Apr 2019
#138
Impressive. Twenty eight years, six bills passed, during only three sessions (2/102, 1/109, 3/113)
George II
Apr 2019
#148
What would you use as a "yardstick", anything of substance? By the way, it's a well known fact....
George II
Apr 2019
#157
As you should know, there are a whole bunch of procedural or insignificant votes
Jarqui
Apr 2019
#162
Not being a member of the Democratic Party is his choice, he hasn't been barred from joining....
George II
Apr 2019
#223
"Not being a member of a party hasn't hindered him from introducing or co-sponsoring bills."
Jarqui
Apr 2019
#231
I am hoping that sanders stays in long enough to have to go before a newspaper editorial board
Gothmog
Apr 2019
#108
Your photos are small section of the crowd. View the large photo that shows the entire crowd.
CentralMass
Apr 2019
#267
One of my Biggest Concerns About Bernie is his Vote for Blanket Immunity for Gun Manufacturers
dlk
Apr 2019
#30
I look back at some of Joe Bidens votes like that 2005 Bankruptcy bill that he championed
CentralMass
Apr 2019
#115
I can't stand Sirota, but if Biden is really saying that Social Security can only be saved
pnwmom
Apr 2019
#40
That was from back when Sirota said he "wasn't working for Sanders" when he really was.
George II
Apr 2019
#142
True. Bernie's message is resonating and that scares the shit out of Tribe
Power 2 the People
Apr 2019
#63
Lawyers argue cases for their clients' interests, not their personal ideology.
The Velveteen Ocelot
Apr 2019
#86
Non-sequitur.This topic was about Mr. Tribe and his electioneering. Not Sanders tax returns.
Power 2 the People
Apr 2019
#88
You said Tribe is not liberal because he defended a corporation in court,
The Velveteen Ocelot
Apr 2019
#91
Tribe believes in the "corporations are people doctrine." That is not liberal nor progressive.
Power 2 the People
Apr 2019
#94
You are misrepresenting Laurence Tribe's opinion on Citizens United.
Power 2 the People
Apr 2019
#96
That isn't the same as arguing the logic was correct, and Tribe's analysis is more nuanced
The Velveteen Ocelot
Apr 2019
#98
Nothing being hidden. Looking forward to 10 years being released after tax day.
Power 2 the People
Apr 2019
#83
Right. If he doesn't think he made enough charitable donations or whatever, dump them
pnwmom
Apr 2019
#159
Yes. I grew up about 2 miles from where he did in Brooklyn (he's only 7 years older than me)....
George II
Apr 2019
#179
There is an agenda out there to make sure no Democrat wins and it aint just from cons
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2019
#252