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The Velveteen Ocelot

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131. They were both funny and lame.

Sat Apr 6, 2019, 09:50 AM

Apr 2019

It's true that Tribe's approach to the issue of whether and to what extent corporations have constitutional rights has been controversial and not exactly liberal orthodoxy, but he didn't just pull it out of his butt; he's got a credible and nuanced view. I don't agree with it, and neither do a number of people who are a lot smarter than I am, but the fact that Tribe thinks corporations have certain constitutional rights has fuck-all to do with what he thinks of Bernie.

Bernie's mantra is that corporations are basically evil (does he have any investments in corporations? Inquiring minds want to know, and hey, Bernie, where are your tax returns?), so anyone who presents a legal defense of a corporation is also evil and therefore has no standing to criticize Bernie. Do I have that right?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Laurence Tribe, the Constitutional law prof at Harvard, has concerns about Bernie. [View all] pnwmom Apr 2019 OP

Wow! Laurence Tribe is on the same Cha Apr 2019 #1

We're all better off vetting everybody during the primaries, and not waiting till the general. pnwmom Apr 2019 #2

The repugs still have their unused oppo research on Sanders from 2016... brush Apr 2019 #33

ALL of this 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻 LenaBaby61 Apr 2019 #154

Yeah, we know it Cha Apr 2019 #189

Left-wing ideologues don't understand it, and I'm afraid Hortensis Apr 2019 #130

Same Page As Me For Sure Me. Apr 2019 #6

Hoa Aloha, Me! Cha Apr 2019 #9

... Me. Apr 2019 #11

You taught me that.. I"ve been Cha Apr 2019 #12

+1 Historic NY Apr 2019 #188

Will Prof.Tribe soon find himself looking up at the underside of a bus chassis? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #3

Not by anyone who isn't leftynyc Apr 2019 #64

That he is. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #65

Exactly! Look at the votes. ecstatic Apr 2019 #4

+1 dalton99a Apr 2019 #7

Environmental dumping, taxes, Russian support in 2016, wife's college funding issues, allgood33 Apr 2019 #76

We need look into candidates who are friendly to big pharna and Betsy Devos. CentralMass Apr 2019 #103

MY Thinking Exactly Me. Apr 2019 #5

I think Sanders has been vetted more than most of the Democratic candidates Jarqui Apr 2019 #8

Old Towne Media is the question a lot of people have. I agree with you pnwmom Apr 2019 #10

It got some scrutiny but many good and serious questions remain Jarqui Apr 2019 #21

No one in the media took sanders seriously and so sanders has never been vetted Gothmog Apr 2019 #15

So the 2016 Clinton campaign didn't vet their opponent? I think not. Jarqui Apr 2019 #20

sanders was treated with kid gloves by the Clinton campaing Gothmog Apr 2019 #22

What, the oppo research that has been around for 47 years but everybody is Jarqui Apr 2019 #34

A portion has been posted on this board and more will come Gothmog Apr 2019 #35

A bunch of this is nonsense Jarqui Apr 2019 #44

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Apr 2019 #47

No facts or evidence? You are selling someone's innuendo. Jarqui Apr 2019 #49

LOL-Denial is really funny Gothmog Apr 2019 #50

disagree AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #54

There are too many real democrats who have long memories Gothmog Apr 2019 #274

Jesus Christ. The BRUISING on his face! That was one hell of a head strike. Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #271

Videos like this will come out if sanders is the nominee Gothmog Apr 2019 #36

thanks for posting this AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #52

There are a large number of similar videos waiting to be used Gothmog Apr 2019 #57

I say no problem. People like Bernie and his policies and he's running against a neo nazi CentralMass Apr 2019 #109

To be clear. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #117

In my experience, one can argue with a Berniebot, but you can't reason with one. WheelWalker Apr 2019 #163

so much this Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #273

And those Democrats are pretty good! dawg day Apr 2019 #203

What makes me want to "leave the room and puke" is his praise for Fidel's "Revolution" Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #272

Yup, slim to none. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #229

Now that's funny. CentralMass Apr 2019 #110

Actually, that's true. That's why the 24 whistleblowers leaked their own letter. lapucelle Apr 2019 #166

sanders was not vetted by the press and the Clinton campaign treated sanders with kid gloves Gothmog Apr 2019 #23

The Republicans were testing anti Hillary ads in something like Nov 2013? Jarqui Apr 2019 #24

So you agree that there is a great deal of Oppo on sanders now? Gothmog Apr 2019 #58

More Nonsense Jarqui Apr 2019 #69

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Apr 2019 #70

More nonsense Jarqui Apr 2019 #74

And yet sanders cannot get many African Americans to attend his events Gothmog Apr 2019 #75

What part of this from my last post didn't you comprehend? Jarqui Apr 2019 #77

Biden and a couple other candidates would also beat sanders with African American voters Gothmog Apr 2019 #102

Let's see what some of the facts say Jarqui Apr 2019 #118

LOL Sanders was a light weight in civil rights movement and cannot compare to John Lewis Gothmog Apr 2019 #120

Right, we have Bernie Sanders who was involved with civil rights movement to the point that he CentralMass Apr 2019 #123

See my post #128.... George II Apr 2019 #129

Every time that question is asked, crickets. Even Bernie has nothing...except Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #185

It always amazes me that Senator Sanders refused to vote against Governor Wallace KitSileya Apr 2019 #190

+1 betsuni Apr 2019 #192

Not to mention, he could have voted in 1962 KitSileya Apr 2019 #193

It only took 123 responses BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #261

More nonsense. The video can explain it Jarqui Apr 2019 #134

LOL-I am laughing so hard that it hurts Gothmog Apr 2019 #143

I won't watch videos of Cenk Uygur or The Young Turks. First, for years he, as a native of Turkey.. George II Apr 2019 #146

Wow! Thanks for that background info on Cenk. He's a real piece of work, ain't he? NurseJackie Apr 2019 #149

Apparently sometimes Cenk "articulates" things so well to some people lapucelle Apr 2019 #172

Cenk is not reliable Gothmog Apr 2019 #220

What he articulates to me, is just fine, with respect to Sanders, Jarqui Apr 2019 #169

Cenk and Greenwald are really sad sources Gothmog Apr 2019 #181

"My brand shares a name with a genocidal movement, but it's too late to change it." lapucelle Apr 2019 #174

As the SNL Church Lady used to say, "how conveeeeenient"! George II Apr 2019 #177

Who names his media /online presence after a genocidal movement? lapucelle Apr 2019 #164

I could care less. As the article says Jarqui Apr 2019 #168

You posted a Cenk Uygur video. The response was to you. lapucelle Apr 2019 #170

I know, right?! Anyone who relies Cha Apr 2019 #173

Oh goodie for me! It's in the archive, and now I have a screenshot. lapucelle Apr 2019 #175

.. Cha Apr 2019 #176

Apparently, Cenk's default position is to deny the existence of all sorts of stuff. lapucelle Apr 2019 #178

Yeah, cenk and his ILK are Cha Apr 2019 #180

More Cenk.. Cha Apr 2019 #183

Here is the basis for the video: Jarqui Apr 2019 #184

There is a difference between shooting the messenger and not trusting the messenger. lapucelle Apr 2019 #195

John Lewis, the congressman who "slighted" well-known civil rights icon BS lapucelle Apr 2019 #196

Fans of civil rights icon BS repaid the "slight" by trolling and ultimately booing Lewis lapucelle Apr 2019 #197

I was there when this occured Gothmog Apr 2019 #206

That's exactly the point. Lewis NEVER said Sanders wasn't in Alabama back then (he wasn't).... George II Apr 2019 #200

How dare John Lewis "slight" a beloved civil rights icon by saying lapucelle Apr 2019 #201

I trust John Lewis on this issue Gothmog Apr 2019 #207

Yeah, and for that he gets this from BS' Cha Apr 2019 #225

Isn't that tweet from the person BS hired to help craft his national message? lapucelle Apr 2019 #227

Yes, I'm sure she's doing a hellava job Cha Apr 2019 #228

Want to shoot the Messenger at 538.com? They said very similar stuff as Cenk Jarqui Apr 2019 #198

42% of Vermont voters favored Hallquist in October according to local reports. lapucelle Apr 2019 #199

42% undecided in October? These polls don't say that Jarqui Apr 2019 #211

My apologies...that 42% was Hallquist's number as reported by the local press. lapucelle Apr 2019 #215

From what I've seen, she did not run a good campaign. Jarqui Apr 2019 #217

Did anyone from Vermont (besides Sen Leahy) offer to raise funds with Hallquist? lapucelle Apr 2019 #221

I saw that you posted a picture and I was hoping to see some on white attendees Gothmog Apr 2019 #205

Don't have to. We have something where someone did the counting for us Jarqui Apr 2019 #214

These polls really do not help Gothmog Apr 2019 #219

Bernie did not attack John Lewis. That's not true. Jarqui Apr 2019 #222

I was at the convention and I saw the booing and worst behavior Gothmog Apr 2019 #230

I am still waiting for pictures or video of non whites attending a sanders event Gothmog Apr 2019 #204

Cenk Uygur IS "The Young Turks"! He was born in Istanbul and for years denied the existence... George II Apr 2019 #171

It doesn't matter to me what else Cenk has said or done in his life. Jarqui Apr 2019 #186

LOL. facts do matter in the real world Gothmog Apr 2019 #182

"When the black leadership doesn't have their thumb on the scale" - what does that mean? And.... George II Apr 2019 #128

This Jarqui Apr 2019 #132

What did he DO, not what did he say? I don't see anything specific that he did, like.... George II Apr 2019 #133

Bernie is an Independent. He is not a party. Jarqui Apr 2019 #135

But we hear all the time that he caucuses with the Democrats. George II Apr 2019 #137

Biden Voted for the crime bill too Jarqui Apr 2019 #140

I know that, but we keep hearing from Sanders surrogates that he was against the 1994.... George II Apr 2019 #144

I think you are confusing what people are saying. Jarqui Apr 2019 #153

There seems to be some confusion... lapucelle Apr 2019 #233

I do not think I am the one confused. I think Chuck Todd is. Jarqui Apr 2019 #236

If BS voted for the Crime Bill because of the assault weapons ban, lapucelle Apr 2019 #237

No. I heartily disagree. That is not factually correct or fair. It's wrong and misleading. Jarqui Apr 2019 #238

BS voted for versions of the Crime Bill that did not contain the assault weapons ban. lapucelle Apr 2019 #239

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #243

"Please expound on your reading problem"? What does that even mean? lapucelle Apr 2019 #246

Where in the original bill is there anything about incarceration Jarqui Apr 2019 #250

BS claimed that he voted for the Crime Bill because it included an assault weapons ban. lapucelle Apr 2019 #254

I think we have to deal with one thing at a time because you're having a problem Jarqui Apr 2019 #255

First things first. lapucelle Apr 2019 #256

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #257

You smell a conspiracy between Politifact and the Clinton Foundation? lapucelle Apr 2019 #258

Ah, now we come to it. Hekate Apr 2019 #260

Why did you post links to right wing sources that disputed the honesty of fact checkers lapucelle Apr 2019 #240

Show me the link where I did that nt Jarqui Apr 2019 #241

Show me the source links for your anti-fact checker story. lapucelle Apr 2019 #242

You are the one who accused me of using Dally Caller Jarqui Apr 2019 #244

The story you reference, first published in September 2016, was exclusive to The Daily Caller . lapucelle Apr 2019 #245

Why are you alleging corruption on the part of Politifact and the Democratic general election lapucelle Apr 2019 #248

Biden wrote, sponsored, and achieved enactment of the Violence Against Women Act... lapucelle Apr 2019 #234

As I said in the post below it to clarify Jarqui Apr 2019 #235

Here's a record of his amendments proposed & passed Jarqui Apr 2019 #136

I thought he's been a leader in the Senate? Leaders write and introduce legislation.... George II Apr 2019 #138

There's theory. And then there is the practice. Jarqui Apr 2019 #145

Impressive. Twenty eight years, six bills passed, during only three sessions (2/102, 1/109, 3/113) George II Apr 2019 #148

So what is the yardstick? 10 bills passed over that time? Jarqui Apr 2019 #156

What would you use as a "yardstick", anything of substance? By the way, it's a well known fact.... George II Apr 2019 #157

Nancy Pelosi was in the House for 16 years before she became minority leader Jarqui Apr 2019 #160

Look at this list. How many times did Pelosi vote? George II Apr 2019 #161

As you should know, there are a whole bunch of procedural or insignificant votes Jarqui Apr 2019 #162

Sanders has no legislate accomplishment in the real world Gothmog Apr 2019 #194

A Toast to Barney Frank -- he's missed Hekate Apr 2019 #262

You need to read up on how congress works. nt Jarqui Apr 2019 #213

I'm very familiar with how Congress works. George II Apr 2019 #216

Then you would already know they do not give people outside their party, Jarqui Apr 2019 #218

Not being a member of the Democratic Party is his choice, he hasn't been barred from joining.... George II Apr 2019 #223

"Not being a member of a party hasn't hindered him from introducing or co-sponsoring bills." Jarqui Apr 2019 #231

I would carefully check any sources being used in support of the claims. lapucelle Apr 2019 #249

LOL a number of Senators are far more effective compared to sanders Gothmog Apr 2019 #209

As I've stated before, Sanders is an Independent Jarqui Apr 2019 #212

And yet few if any non-whites attend sanders events Gothmog Apr 2019 #147

He did vote in favore of the Crime Bill in the 1990's. Does that count? lapucelle Apr 2019 #165

"thumb on the scale"? KitSileya Apr 2019 #191

I am hoping that sanders stays in long enough to have to go before a newspaper editorial board Gothmog Apr 2019 #108

Some more facts to be ignore Gothmog Apr 2019 #210

For this thread Gothmog Apr 2019 #266

I simply wont say anything anymore, you know who wins Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #107

I have heard this several times but i don't think it is factual. CentralMass Apr 2019 #264

Really? Gothmog Apr 2019 #265

Your photos are small section of the crowd. View the large photo that shows the entire crowd. CentralMass Apr 2019 #267

Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Apr 2019 #268

Are you really backing Mayor Pete or Bernie? redstatebluegirl Apr 2019 #151

Mayor Pete Jarqui Apr 2019 #155

I just found this little discussion. pangaia Apr 2019 #127

You are really knocking yourself out on this. CentralMass Apr 2019 #111

Not really Gothmog Apr 2019 #119

Don't forget his anti-immigrant comments on Lou Dobbs show. comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #56

If he gets the nomination, the republicans won't be calling him a Socialist. Mr.Bill Apr 2019 #29

The GOP will have a ton of videos to use in these efforts Gothmog Apr 2019 #71

OMG no THE OPPOSITE Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #106

I agree with Prof. Tribe Gothmog Apr 2019 #13

Same here. Blue_true Apr 2019 #14

Yes, it will only help him. CentralMass Apr 2019 #112

If Bernie has something to disclose why not rip the band aid off now? Aaron Pereira Apr 2019 #16

Yes... comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #17

Lawrence Tribe speaks for me. I stand with Laurence Tribe. NurseJackie Apr 2019 #18

Ditto. nt cwydro Apr 2019 #43

Same here (n/t) leftynyc Apr 2019 #66

I just saw that pop up on my news feed!! Peacetrain Apr 2019 #19

I think Bernie is getting vetted at last NastyRiffraff Apr 2019 #25

This will lead to him over taking Biden after he is vetted. CentralMass Apr 2019 #114

Riiigghhht! NastyRiffraff Apr 2019 #141

I was referring Biden being vetted. CentralMass Apr 2019 #150

I have more than concerns... handmade34 Apr 2019 #26

That's a shame for you. Kentonio Apr 2019 #124

Laurance Tribe will be going through a vetting process soon, too. juxtaposed Apr 2019 #27

The essays too n/t BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #28

One of my Biggest Concerns About Bernie is his Vote for Blanket Immunity for Gun Manufacturers dlk Apr 2019 #30

Yes, that's impossible to justify. n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #31

I look back at some of Joe Bidens votes like that 2005 Bankruptcy bill that he championed CentralMass Apr 2019 #115

Interesting article Mel Apr 2019 #32

Attacking Prof. Tribe is very amusing Gothmog Apr 2019 #37

Ha! Ha! Yea Mel Apr 2019 #45

If anyone does not support sanders, they are attacked Gothmog Apr 2019 #48

I have that treatise too. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #92

I have learned new things this day! betsuni Apr 2019 #97

No criminal defendant would ever be able to hire a lawyer The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #99

I'd hate to need a lawyer in Purity World! betsuni Apr 2019 #100

I amjured in civil rights/first amendment using that treatise Gothmog Apr 2019 #121

But he's an evil Republican because he criticized Bernie! The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #122

I was very amused by these "attacks" on Prof. tribe Gothmog Apr 2019 #125

They were both funny and lame. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #131

How about Ben Cohen.. former BS fan.. he's Cha Apr 2019 #39

Wow workinclasszero Apr 2019 #46

Yawwwnnnnnnn leftynyc Apr 2019 #67

Those of us who want trump out all Cha Apr 2019 #38

I can't stand Sirota, but if Biden is really saying that Social Security can only be saved pnwmom Apr 2019 #40

I see.. well, thanks for that Cha Apr 2019 #41

Bernie always talked about eliminating the cap -- period -- pnwmom Apr 2019 #42

That was from back when Sirota said he "wasn't working for Sanders" when he really was. George II Apr 2019 #142

Grand slam. tymorial Apr 2019 #51

What is his "troubling Vermont history"? Politicub Apr 2019 #53

I have no clue but i'll bet there is nothing there. CentralMass Apr 2019 #116

Well, one thing that I've been interested in ... frazzled Apr 2019 #232

Definitely agree with Laurence Tribe. nt jrthin Apr 2019 #55

Just some basic electioneering on the part of Mr. Tribe. Power 2 the People Apr 2019 #59

When one cannot attack the message BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #60

True. Bernie's message is resonating and that scares the shit out of Tribe Power 2 the People Apr 2019 #63

Do you know a single damn thing about Laurence Tribe? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #68

Very aware of Mr. Tribe's resume perhaps you aren't. Power 2 the People Apr 2019 #81

Lawyers argue cases for their clients' interests, not their personal ideology. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #86

I guess you're using the "I was only following orders" defense. Power 2 the People Apr 2019 #89

Suit yourself, you can believe whatever you want. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #90

Thanks for that. True Blue American Apr 2019 #93

... BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #72

Obviously you don't know a lot about Mr. Tribe. Let me help. Power 2 the People Apr 2019 #84

When (if) Bernie ever releases his tax returns, will we discover The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #87

Non-sequitur.This topic was about Mr. Tribe and his electioneering. Not Sanders tax returns. Power 2 the People Apr 2019 #88

You said Tribe is not liberal because he defended a corporation in court, The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #91

Tribe believes in the "corporations are people doctrine." That is not liberal nor progressive. Power 2 the People Apr 2019 #94

Actually he's been a strong opponent of the Citizens United case. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #95

You are misrepresenting Laurence Tribe's opinion on Citizens United. Power 2 the People Apr 2019 #96

That isn't the same as arguing the logic was correct, and Tribe's analysis is more nuanced The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #98

And you have a pro-Bernie bias. Basic electioneering. nt pnwmom Apr 2019 #61

I have a pro-truth bias. Power 2 the People Apr 2019 #62

Do you know the truth BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #73

Nothing being hidden. Looking forward to 10 years being released after tax day. Power 2 the People Apr 2019 #83

mmmm kay nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #105

Holy crap... sfwriter Apr 2019 #79

Yup workinclasszero Apr 2019 #113

You realize this is a criticism of Clinton as well. sfwriter Apr 2019 #78

Hillary released DECADES of tax returns. Bernie, after much prodding, finally pnwmom Apr 2019 #80

Yeah, I listed it. sfwriter Apr 2019 #82

I'm confused. Which Clinton is running for prez "this time around"? Hekate Apr 2019 #263

I can't figure that one out either. sfwriter Apr 2019 #158

Right. If he doesn't think he made enough charitable donations or whatever, dump them pnwmom Apr 2019 #159

I half wonder if he just doesn't give a fuck. sfwriter Apr 2019 #187

could be he's making them bullet proof because they are the only unknowns floppyboo Apr 2019 #202

That's a lot of I's and T's! sfwriter Apr 2019 #224

Or she wanted not to damage Bernie too much namahage Apr 2019 #139

Thank you and jdu Apr 2019 #85

That's nice CentralMass Apr 2019 #101

Go ahead. Nothing is stopping anyone from digging and publicizing. aikoaiko Apr 2019 #104

ALL Dem candidates need a complete vetting process. Yes. simple as that. riversedge Apr 2019 #126

I have my concerns about Bernie katmondoo Apr 2019 #152

Yes. I grew up about 2 miles from where he did in Brooklyn (he's only 7 years older than me).... George II Apr 2019 #179

So do I. TreasonousBastard Apr 2019 #167

I really like the way DUrec keeps a list of the 'Concerned' Circle. Sunlei Apr 2019 #208

Washington Post-The press can't let Sanders duck the hard questions Cha Apr 2019 #226

There is an agenda out there to make sure no Democrat wins and it aint just from cons Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #252

I actually question his common sense Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #247

There may be a REASON for all that though. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #251

Exactly, he isn't as pure as the driven snow. Historic NY Apr 2019 #253

+1 Cha Apr 2019 #270

Tribe is highly respected mcar Apr 2019 #259

From Prof. Tribe Gothmog Apr 2019 #269