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Croney

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57. In 1961 my friend Guido snuck out of his LSU dorm room before dawn,

Mon Feb 24, 2020, 06:58 AM

Feb 2020

headed for Bay of Pigs, and I never saw him again. Two years later I married a Cuban student whose entire family had left Cuba. His parents and ancient grandmother came to live with us in New Orleans, before returning to live in Miami. His parents had not been rich in Cuba; they were teachers.

Those people are dead now. Their mantra was "next year in Cuba," always hoping things would change and they could go home. They wanted to be buried standing up, because they couldn't rest except in their home ground.

Their descendants, young and old, hate Castro. Hating Castro is what Cubans in the U.S. do. Throwing away Cuban votes is insane.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Castro? Jesus Christ, CASTRO, Bernie? [View all] nolabear Feb 2020 OP

These are the things that will kill us. BlueTsunami2018 Feb 2020 #1

He's not rationalizing Castro. He's speaking the truth. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #2

No he's not, he's picking out the good to rationalize the net bad. Like saying Dahmer had a dog uponit7771 Feb 2020 #4

The Cuban revolution actually did some great things for Cubans. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #6

Deflection, we're talking about net good vs net bad and you understand that. just stop uponit7771 Feb 2020 #7

I will not stop supporting the truth. Even if it pains you. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #9

There's deflection and false equivalencies here. Fuck dictatorships, simple analysis there. uponit7771 Feb 2020 #11

It was a miserable dictatorship but also massively helped the poor and rural. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #12

Again, fuck a dictatorship ... nothing "complex" about that. Dahmer had a dog that doesn't make him uponit7771 Feb 2020 #13

Did Sanders claim Castro was a "net good person"? Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #16

... neither did Trump say the words "quid pro quo" so that makes it OK right?!?! REALLY ?!!? uponit7771 Feb 2020 #22

Ah, I see you can't stay in topic. Goodnight. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #23

US has a long history of supporting dictators JonLP24 Feb 2020 #44

The person not the concept, fuck this is scary uponit7771 Feb 2020 #80

The Rs are not going to care about nuance or complexity mcar Feb 2020 #81

+1, and I just heard about Sanders voting record on guns. How are young people supposed to ... uponit7771 Feb 2020 #82

It's odd to me, and frightening, mcar Feb 2020 #83

The "bern-splain" on guns is Sanders record is bad with the NRA as if that erases his decades uponit7771 Feb 2020 #85

The NRA gives him a D- for fuck's sake. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #88

NRA ratings mean nothing uponit7771 Feb 2020 #90

Well if you are going to say he supports guns rights, it does. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #92

NRA is a hack organization who's ratings mean nothing, you know that uponit7771 Feb 2020 #93

Is that because the NRA has Biden and Sanders at the same level? Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #95

LOL awesomerwb1 Feb 2020 #127

So, tell me something good about safeinOhio Feb 2020 #24

"There's deflection and false equivalencies here." blue-wave Feb 2020 #29

+1, omfg ... "he helped the poor" WTF ?!!? This is some mil spec rat f kin going on here. uponit7771 Feb 2020 #31

Yep - we need simple answers - for a simple time. el_bryanto Feb 2020 #91

Yeah dictatorships isn't a good answer to anything uponit7771 Feb 2020 #94

Castro promised all those good things to the poor True Blue American Feb 2020 #42

You very correct riverbendviewgal Feb 2020 #64

On a cruise in 2000 True Blue American Feb 2020 #66

Did the same in Russia. Toured and visited some great stuff, ignored breadlines, treatment of emmaverybo Feb 2020 #107

I didn't catch it. Was there any facts mixed in with the truth? fleabiscuit Feb 2020 #8

It's scary, some are intimating a dictatorship is net good because the poor where helped ... uponit7771 Feb 2020 #15

No, I'm not. I never once said a dictatorship is good in any way. Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #18

But you were defending the "Cuban Revolution" blue-wave Feb 2020 #33

The poor were not helped. True Blue American Feb 2020 #43

The average voter (and we need a LOT of them) Cosmocat Feb 2020 #53

Here's someone who doesn't understand how electoral politics work.... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #72

Twisting a candidate's intent by extremist absolutes to bash Bernie now are we? lambchopp59 Feb 2020 #27

K&R, that's why I asked if there's a path without Florida cause it gone ... zip nada uponit7771 Feb 2020 #3

Castro was never cool Democrats Ascendant Feb 2020 #5

Just needed to add: Democrats Ascendant Feb 2020 #10

Castro and Ortega. n/t pnwmom Feb 2020 #14

A lot of us older folks DO remember Vogon_Glory Feb 2020 #17

Please don't insult an entire generation of young Americans Gravitycollapse Feb 2020 #19

Ah, the prospect of the glorious youth vote Vogon_Glory Feb 2020 #32

Oh Please! blue-wave Feb 2020 #34

I grew up and lived in Florida from 1961 to 1987 ms liberty Feb 2020 #52

So is "OK Boomer" but we hear it all the time anyway Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #73

"Generation Tellytubbies" 😂 Duppers Feb 2020 #35

Count me in. True Blue American Feb 2020 #45

Ok history time. redixdoragon Feb 2020 #20

Thanks, just like safeinOhio Feb 2020 #28

More History Time blue-wave Feb 2020 #37

And even more history in video blue-wave Feb 2020 #38

Nothing was returned. True Blue American Feb 2020 #46

No lands were returned to ANY other than the dictator class Cubans...rich Casto Cubans AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #128

I know... For us over 50 crowd... we remember the boat people. eilen Feb 2020 #21

On that, Elian Gonzales True Blue American Feb 2020 #47

That's BS....entirely BS....on 57 ways... AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #129

Are you telling me True Blue American Feb 2020 #133

I understand the Law...100% I also know the BS propaganda that was being AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #135

Then you know Reno True Blue American Feb 2020 #136

Trump says he's "in love" with Kim Jong-un. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #25

I can't stop thinking about how he said that a JFK/Nixon debate when he was in betsuni Feb 2020 #26

+1 Docreed2003 Feb 2020 #70

Well, there goes Florida. I'd love to put people in touch with my brother's wife who was sent here NBachers Feb 2020 #30

Were there no orphanages tens of miles away? PTWB Feb 2020 #98

The Library of Congress will fill in the blanks for your snide and ignorant comment, if you care NBachers Feb 2020 #103

I'm not sure why you're upset. As Cuba is so close to the United States, your comment ... PTWB Feb 2020 #114

I'm not concerned about Castro JonLP24 Feb 2020 #36

When you're explaining you're losing redstateblues Feb 2020 #132

Buh bye Florida... Sugarcoated Feb 2020 #39

Only about a million Cuban Americans in Florida blue-wave Feb 2020 #40

The older generation were Republican True Blue American Feb 2020 #48

So what are you saying? blue-wave Feb 2020 #50

I am saying True Blue American Feb 2020 #54

Cuba asked for nuclear missiles to be put there tirebiter Feb 2020 #41

we have had a very long history of screwing Cuba ,Central & South America not to mention the yaesu Feb 2020 #49

Pretty simple ouija Feb 2020 #51

Simpler than that. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #134

Please ouija Feb 2020 #137

You said it! True Blue American Feb 2020 #55

Obama praising Cuba's education system JonLP24 Feb 2020 #56

Were there any hair-on-fire freakouts about that? redqueen Feb 2020 #61

No because he gave caveats, had never been associated with socialists, except among emmaverybo Feb 2020 #108

Good points, but given his place in the race it's probably time redqueen Feb 2020 #109

His place is that he has won one caucus and one primary. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #113

That's funny because for months we were all reading here about how Biden was the leader redqueen Feb 2020 #115

Yes. He led in polls for nearly a year. Given his accomplishments, qualifications, experience, and emmaverybo Feb 2020 #117

All of which does nothing to explain why we were bombarded with "Biden is the leader" for months, redqueen Feb 2020 #118

He was the leader in polls, nationally and state by state. Given his unmatched resume, yes, many emmaverybo Feb 2020 #119

And now Bernie is leading in most polls - national and state. redqueen Feb 2020 #120

Indeed. He is the leader in most polls. Many still feel, however, that he is not electable in emmaverybo Feb 2020 #122

Do feelings determine who's the leader? redqueen Feb 2020 #124

I was proud of Obama for this democrattotheend Feb 2020 #97

In 1961 my friend Guido snuck out of his LSU dorm room before dawn, Croney Feb 2020 #57

As always, Sanders will get to skate on this and the downballot Dems will catch the shitstorm. Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #58

+1000 ehrnst Feb 2020 #59

President Sanders has promised to govern as the leader of the Democratic Party. What more you want?! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #62

Bs also promised to release his medical records and hasn't... Alliepoo Feb 2020 #65

1. Isn't it a bit premature to call him "President" already? Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #69

1. No. 2. So? 3. Wrong! 3A. Okay, bye. 4. It's brilliant! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #71

Pray tell, how in the name of Christ Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #78

Sanders praising Cuba's education system - BAD Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #60

You might want to look at social media this morning. nolabear Feb 2020 #100

Oh because the right needs something that's a big weapon. And they don't have anything on anyone Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #102

You're projecting. I said nothing about anyone else. nolabear Feb 2020 #123

He was asked a question and answered it truthfully Tarc Feb 2020 #63

That doesn't make the millstone any lighter, does it? NurseJackie Feb 2020 #68

Fuck Castro and his "Revolution". IluvPitties Feb 2020 #67

I don't understand what's so hard about this for some folks Docreed2003 Feb 2020 #74

We're in trouble. nt LexVegas Feb 2020 #75

Kick dalton99a Feb 2020 #76

taught people to read..... Deero Feb 2020 #77

+1. The literacy rate in North Korea is 100% dalton99a Feb 2020 #84

I have a brother who lives in NJ riverbendviewgal Feb 2020 #96

This isn't about Julian is it? still_one Feb 2020 #79

The Best Healthcare In Latin America corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #86

lol HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #110

Since That Fact Bothers You, I Reply, "Bring It On" corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #121

I'll just leave this here: Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #87

Wonder how she feels about Trump saying he loves Kim Jung un? nt Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #99

Same way most of us feel, which is disgusted? Blue_Tires Feb 2020 #112

Trump says Putin and all kinds of dictatorships are great. Quixote1818 Feb 2020 #89

Y'all might want to look at social media this morning and all media today. nolabear Feb 2020 #101

And it's just the beginning. dalton99a Feb 2020 #104

Rep. Barbara Lee: "He led a revolution in Cuba that led social improvements for his people." David__77 Feb 2020 #105

To people who see everything in terms of tribal thinking, yes. nt redqueen Feb 2020 #106

Yes but you're a supporter. nolabear Feb 2020 #111

It's a see you later tom HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #116

It's 4 yrs old...I'm betting she would be saying differently Today... AncientGeezer Feb 2020 #130

Maybe. I don't know. David__77 Feb 2020 #131

Allow President Obama To Clarify corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #125

... Scurrilous Feb 2020 #126