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MineralMan

(146,345 posts)
96. Nobody's "re-litigating" the 2016 primary.
Fri Feb 28, 2020, 12:18 PM
Feb 2020

It is history. However, history is very important when it comes to presidential nominees. Everyone should consider it, including the delegates at the convention. And they will.

At no time has a Democratic convention chosen a nominee who wasn't elected by a majority of delegates to the convention. Each candidate who has delegates will have them because voters voted in their primaries or caucuses for delegates for a particular candidate. At the convention, Bernie Sanders and every other candidate will have delegates at the convention pledged to that candidate. On the first ballot, almost every delegate will vote for the candidate he or she is pledged to.

On the second ballot, things change. For example, Amy Klobuchar will come to the convention with most of Minnesota's delegates pledged to her. That's almost certain. What is also almost certain is that after the first ballot, Klobuchar will not be viable and will not appear on the second ballot. Her pledged delegates will be free to vote for a different candidate. Most will not vote for Senator Sanders, if they were pledged to Amy. They will vote for a candidate with similar views and plans to those Senator Klobuchar stood for. Most of them will vote for a viable candidate who represents those views.

And so it goes, state by state. Delegates will do their best to vote as they believe the candidate they are pledged to would vote. Amy Klobuchar will probably indicate to her pledged delegates who she would like them to vote for, and most of them will follow her lead in the matter.

Why would any pledged delegate for any candidate who does not make it to the second (or third) ballot do otherwise? Why would they not listen to what the candidate to whom they were pledged requests them to do? They will follow that lead, because that was the "will of the voters."

You are being unrealistic here.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
The voters should elect the nominee. Not party insiders. It's not complicated. DanTex Feb 2020 #1
The majority of voters WILL elect the nominee blm Feb 2020 #4
Well, I sure hope so. Because if the superdelegates choose someone who didn't get the most votes, DanTex Feb 2020 #5
Majority. Not plurality. blm Feb 2020 #8
And, if there is no majority, then whoever gets the most votes. DanTex Feb 2020 #12
Funny how that has changed over time. George II Feb 2020 #28
CNN just had a segment on just that! sheshe2 Feb 2020 #107
No. If 70% vote for someone else, then how does the guy with a 30% share get all the marbles. Midnight Writer Feb 2020 #40
30% is not the problem level, it is when you are talking 40% and especially higher Celerity Feb 2020 #47
Quite reasonable. Thank you. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #70
re: "then how does the guy with a 30% share get all the marbles." thesquanderer Feb 2020 #71
They won't give it to the person with 25% sweetloukillbot Feb 2020 #86
re: "the person who has 50%+1 on the second round gets it" thesquanderer Feb 2020 #88
No, no, and no again relayerbob Feb 2020 #49
Hear, hear! ehrnst Feb 2020 #131
Majority: dchill Feb 2020 #53
It certainly hasn't been obvious to everyone... ehrnst Feb 2020 #62
Best not to re-litigate the 2016 primary IMO. DanTex Feb 2020 #63
Not really Tweedy Feb 2020 #94
I read here today that all Super Delagates... sheshe2 Feb 2020 #9
super delegates are simpley unpledged delegates yellowdogintexas Feb 2020 #48
THX. It's an important read.It also says supers only compromise 15% of DNC delegates. Here's more: ancianita Feb 2020 #78
re: "I read here today that all Super Delagates...are Corporate Lobbyist's." thesquanderer Feb 2020 #83
Oh trust me, I don't believe it. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #108
There's no reason for them to help a nominee 60 or 70% of D's dislike. n/t pnwmom Feb 2020 #10
There is no such candidate in the field. DanTex Feb 2020 #14
And most of them prefer someone else. He's never broken 34% in raw vote totals. n/t pnwmom Feb 2020 #18
So? MisterFred Feb 2020 #20
Most of them prefer Bernie to any other candidate. DanTex Feb 2020 #21
most of them prefer someone other than bernie. mopinko Feb 2020 #26
This. MontanaMama Feb 2020 #22
Just because a candidate has a high approval rating TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #29
OK, but in this case, the voters do think that Bernie is the best candidate for the job. DanTex Feb 2020 #33
In two and a half states. TexasTowelie Feb 2020 #36
I think we should listen to Bernie 1.0, the 2016 version. pnwmom Feb 2020 #99
+1000 Tweedy Feb 2020 #106
It is late and I am exhausted. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #39
Ok, but polling shows that 65% of D's LIKE Sanders (even though he may not be their first choice) thesquanderer Feb 2020 #75
Where do you get that? Your second link says 44% would be "very uncomfortable" with Bernie pnwmom Feb 2020 #133
You looked at the wrong page thesquanderer Feb 2020 #135
You mean like they have been pressured to do before? ehrnst Feb 2020 #57
Super Delegates are not "party insiders". Jimmy Carter is a "party insider"? George II Feb 2020 #7
Considering That Members Of Congress & THe Senate Are Delegates Me. Feb 2020 #13
Nina Turner is a superdelegate. lapucelle Feb 2020 #128
It Just Keeps Getting Bettter And Better Me. Feb 2020 #136
"Party insiders" TwilightZone Feb 2020 #16
Party insiders, yes. I gotta be honest, I do not understand the aversion to letting voters decide. DanTex Feb 2020 #17
Donald Trump is a perfect example radical noodle Feb 2020 #30
Donald Trump is a monster Mad cow Feb 2020 #56
I don't think we can count on the Russians helping us radical noodle Feb 2020 #92
it is not an aversion to letting voters decide. We have already voted in our primaries yellowdogintexas Feb 2020 #50
"Sanders Campaign Now Embraces Superdelegates As Key To Nomination" ehrnst Feb 2020 #58
Best not to re-litigate the 2016 primary IMO. DanTex Feb 2020 #59
The voters decided to elect most of the super delegates MineralMan Feb 2020 #93
If a candidate fails to when a majority Tweedy Feb 2020 #109
As Sen. Warren pointed out, Sen. Sanders was spooky3 Feb 2020 #19
That's completely incorrect. DanTex Feb 2020 #23
You are incorrect. Look up the video that someone posted spooky3 Feb 2020 #24
LOL at the Jennifer Rubin article. You know she's a Republican, right? DanTex Feb 2020 #25
How many times do people have to tell you and others that spooky3 Feb 2020 #27
She is a *Republican*. She likes Republican things like tax cuts for rich people DanTex Feb 2020 #32
The goalpost move didn't work so now, a sad, despearate attempt at an ad hominem. ehrnst Feb 2020 #61
CNN just had a WHOLE segment on just that, including a video. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #110
Nice try at a goalpost move... we're talking about the Sanders campaign. Not their supporters. ehrnst Feb 2020 #60
+1 FACTS!!! Ouch, my eyes! :-) spooky3 Feb 2020 #98
I know. Not that it sinks in, but I know that others reading are ehrnst Feb 2020 #101
Yes! spooky3 Feb 2020 #102
Actually, the DNC rules say specifically that only DELEGATES elect the nominee. AGeddy Feb 2020 #34
And the delegates should respect the electorate, and nominate whoever gets the most votes. DanTex Feb 2020 #35
On the first vote, all pledges delegates ARE required to respect the electorate that voted for them AGeddy Feb 2020 #37
"The responsibility that superdelegates have is to decide what is best for this country and what is ehrnst Feb 2020 #64
Best not to re-litigate the 2016 primary IMO. DanTex Feb 2020 #65
Nice try. Not re-litigating, reviewing. By your definition it's 'relitigating' to point out that HRC ehrnst Feb 2020 #66
2016 was a different circumstance, things happened, best to not re-litigate and move forward instead DanTex Feb 2020 #73
It's the double standards and hypocrisy, which we know R B Garr Feb 2020 #84
Getting desperate, Dan... Same candidate, 180 on their statements on the role of superdelegates. ehrnst Feb 2020 #89
Nobody's "re-litigating" the 2016 primary. MineralMan Feb 2020 #96
Oh, okay. Do you object to your candidate being a super delegate? Or only the... Hekate Feb 2020 #42
Is it not working out for him? peggysue2 Feb 2020 #55
I object to all superdelegates. DanTex Feb 2020 #82
Why don't you answer the question instead of trying to deflect.... ehrnst Feb 2020 #100
Hoping for five. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #80
Exactly Me. Feb 2020 #2
That is correct Me. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #11
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #3
Add to the Railing Against Himself list: establishment, elite, millionaires. betsuni Feb 2020 #6
That fits. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #31
Brilliant! Cha Feb 2020 #41
Holy cow! Unhinged reaction!! Take a breath! Follow calm Mayor Pete! Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #15
Excuse me? sheshe2 Feb 2020 #38
Maybe the poster meant BS is behaving unhinged? Hekate Feb 2020 #43
Perhaps. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #45
And, it's only our Democracy, Country, and oh yeah.. Our Planet Cha Feb 2020 #54
Yes. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #111
You're Welcome, she.. Cha Feb 2020 #114
Ironic... ehrnst Feb 2020 #67
Yup..been thrown at me multiple times. Ironic is right. Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #68
Calling someone else "Unhinged?" ehrnst Feb 2020 #69
Nope. Post unhinged. Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #72
Response was a bit unhinged. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #74
Yup Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #76
;) sheshe2 Feb 2020 #112
Posts don't write themselves, Hon. ehrnst Feb 2020 #91
Now you finally got it!! Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #95
Now when will you? ehrnst Feb 2020 #105
... sheshe2 Feb 2020 #113
Already have. Bullies can't take their own medicine. Don't you agree? Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #124
You tell us... ehrnst Feb 2020 #125
Ha...know you've won an argument when people pull Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #129
Got nothing? ehrnst Feb 2020 #130
smh.. Cha Feb 2020 #104
De verdad. Cha Feb 2020 #103
Antipathy to candidates is registered with a yawn Warpy Feb 2020 #44
... sheshe2 Feb 2020 #115
Diversions to avoid comparisons on issues. rwsanders Feb 2020 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author James48 Feb 2020 #51
Don't worry my dear shshe William769 Feb 2020 #52
As do I, Bill. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #116
I don't get to vote till March 17th. William769 Feb 2020 #118
Really, it's just one guy honing his ability to be obtuse in the face of overwhelming evidence. Squinch Feb 2020 #77
Nobody wins elections by whining about unfairness Walleye Feb 2020 #79
FFS, Sanders has nothing against Super Delegates as individual people, thesquanderer Feb 2020 #81
Whatever. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #117
In all fairness, he never liked them. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #120
Well. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #121
That's true as well. He didn't like the idea of SD at all, but since that was the system, thesquanderer Feb 2020 #122
Yes, he's certainly gone back and forth on the topic. ehrnst Feb 2020 #127
Amen, she. This ish is tiresome. R B Garr Feb 2020 #85
I know I know.. you just cant make it up Peacetrain Feb 2020 #87
Once again, you are absolutely correct. MineralMan Feb 2020 #90
+1000 sheshe2 Feb 2020 #119
I think one solution would be this: The Mouth Feb 2020 #97
BS is full of BS. we can do it Feb 2020 #123
BS is a superdelegate. He hired superdelegate Nina Turner to run his campaign. lapucelle Feb 2020 #126
+1 betsuni Feb 2020 #132
Yes and he opposes having superdelegates vote. aikoaiko Feb 2020 #134
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