Reply #2: yes, [View All]

[darkmaestro019]

and yes to your parenthetical condition, which I'm not particularly fond of due to the wide vast deep worldwide history of entheogenic use in religious ritual. I'm illustrating my miffed-ness by this gentle rebuke and my lack of poll response. : )

Is pain removed by hypnosis more "gone" than pain removed by morphine?

I suppose what you are getting at is whether transcendent experiences occur in the absence of external mind-alteration.

The deepest and most expansive and permanent and unexplainable spiritual experience I ever had was while utterly sober, unless you want to rule out cigarette smokers. : ) And I'm a non-Wiccan, heathen, sort of LHP creature.