Reply #133: The justification for restricting any right [View All]

[pipoman]

is on the restrictor, so it is on you to prove that waiting periods and limits on purchases have had any effect on anything but commerce.You do know that there are jurisdictions which already have purchase limits don't you? Can it be shown any crime reduction in those jurisdictions which correlates with the restriction? I didn't think so.

OTOH there are large collections of collectible handguns which are auctioned off to collectors and enthusiasts every week. Just for example a collectible handgun isn't necessarily a blunderbuss, Smith and Wesson pre-1991? revolvers are collectible because of engineering changes made in 1991 as are several of their semi auto models like the model 39. Colt revolvers are very collectible, I'm not talking about just their single action cowboy guns, their double action revolvers and semi auto 1911 style pistols are sought by collectors. At these auctions it is not uncommon at all for collectors/enthusiasts to buy several.

I will offer this:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm

According to the 1997 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those possessing a gun, the source of the gun was from -

* a flea market or gun show for fewer than 2%
* a retail store or pawnshop for about 12%
* family, friends, a street buy, or an illegal source for 80%

These categories are broken down even farther on table 8 here:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf



This also sort of hurts the meme of gun shows being the source of choice for the criminal element, huh..

Then there is this:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/fuo.pdf





So 273 charges were brought against attempted illegal purchasers who numbered 77,233, most of whom lied on the NICS form (a prosecutable offense). The question remains how many of the 77k+ acquired a gun through the illegal sources cited in table 8 and committed a crime which could have been averted through enforcement of the laws broken at the attempted purchase.

Edit: Now it's your turn. Demonstrate how limits on purchases by legal purchasers have been shown to reduce anything in any jurisdiction which currently or has had purchase limits.