Reply #76: strong atheist's theist friend [View All]

[Strong Atheist]

Hi,
This is S.A.'s theist friend. He and I don't discuss religion much because we know we will never agree and we want to remain friends. I twisted his arm to get him to let me write this. In case I'm breaking any DU rules, this is my first time doing this and I don't intend to make it a habit.

I also misunderstood your message apparently. I have to agree with him that you don't explain yourself well. I'm sorry, but if neither of us get it, that says something.

They are not without meaning, you simply refuse to see it. The path of all things are EXACTLY the same. Everything begins, everything lives, everything ends. This cycle is observable in anything. Is that "coherent" enough for you?

The FACT that everything is connected (through gravity) shows just this: Everything is connected. This, along with the deeper truth that all things are more intimately connected, is the point.

No, that's not what I'm saying. If s/he wants to talk to me about it, s/he can join the discussion.

These statements sound deep and meaningful, but they don't explain anything. When he asks for examples, you need to give concrete ones; not more global generalizations. You said all things have an attraction, but you didn't mean that the presence gravity proves that God exists. What DO you mean?

By the way, you will never convince an atheist that the world's existence, and its physical properties, are sufficient proof of God's existence. This includes the idea that everything follows a path. That's a point upon which you and he will have to agree to disagree. You also will never convince my friend with grand sounding declarations that are left to the reader's imagination to interpret. How are things connected more intimately? I believe in the Lord God Almighty and I have no idea what you are saying.

I'll leave you two to debate the deep mysteries of the universe. He'll let me know what you said in reply. (I don't argue with him, but I do pray for him whether he likes it or not and he knows it! O8)