3 Shot Dead In Apparent Fireworks Noise Dispute, Police Say

[brentspeak]

Source: Associated Press

Jul 6, 2007 9:45 AM

CLEVELAND (AP) - Candles were lit in vigil at a home where, hours earlier, police said the lighting of fireworks apparently prompted the shooting deaths of three people.

(snip)

Early Thursday morning, neighbor Terrance Hough Jr. opened fire on the home, killing two men and a woman in the driveway, police spokesman Lt. Thomas Stacho said. The neighbors were throwing a Fourth of July party.

Killed were Jacob Feichtner, 24, a University of Akron student who lived at the house where the party was taking place, Katherine M. Rosby, 26, of Lakewood, and Bruce R. Anderson, 30, of Parma. Cuyahoga County Coroner Elizabeth Balraj said Feichtner was shot in the chest. Anderson and Rosby were shot in the back.

(snip)

A handgun believed to be the weapon that killed the three victims was among seven handguns and five long guns confiscated from Hough's home, he said.



Read more: http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=83198de0-3005-4b5b-ac15-820ac96613df

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Believe it or not, but this freak is a firefighter. A disgrace to firefighters -- and human beings -- everywhere. Another NRA member who the NRA won't admit is one of their's?

[aquart]

1. Does that neck look really big to you? It looks big to me.

[ooglymoogly]

10. It looks red to me.

I bet he just finished saying his Heil Bushitlers.

[Occulus]

68. Pardon me- I'm going to borrow your post to pin something of mine

I find it absolutely inexcusable that there are some complete and total heartless fuckwits on this board have the soulless temerity to DARE to imply that this was somehow the victims' faults.

I'm going through this entire thread and putting EVERYONE who even implies as much on ignore, and I call upon everyone who reads this thread to do the same. They're glaringly obvious, and posters such as the ones I'm talking about do NOT deserve to have their voices heard.

Just read downthread. They stick out like a sore thumb.

[DBoon]

20. might he be a steriod abuser?

wild speculation of course

[aquart]

21. Of course. But that's a really big neck.

[Frank Cannon]

23. His neck looks fine. But he does appear to have a small head.

[Catherine Vincent]

2. Good lord!

That guy has a lot of hate in his eyes.

[madaboutharry]

3. This is the same area where

a police officer is accused of having murdered his pregnant girlfriend just a few weeks ago.

[mama]

16. Fairly close, this is about 40 miles north, near Cleveland

[Rick Myers]

4. What a freakin' asshole!!!

Cops, fire and corrections folks get the shit end of the stick most times, but, there are MANY out there who are only one excuse short of a massacre! We lived across the street from an idiot who worked for a PRIVATE prison. He would sit out on the street in his used cop car, in uniform, playing traffic cop. Then he started threatening Janet. Yelling things in the middle od the night. A skinhead. His license plate was: ILOKMUP I am NOT kidding!!! He's now working 'security' somewhere in Vegas. The local cops knew him as a known 'wannabe.' It was terrifying...

[tularetom]

6. My kid used to be a cop

and he introduced one of his buddies to his sister and that buddy is now my son in law. Neither one is still on the force, but son in law can't get over the fact that he was once a cop. He listens to all the police calls on a scanner, he's made two or three 'citizens arrests' (one of which resulted in a lawsuit against him and the PD), and he talks cop jargon all the time. My son (who left on much better terms) tells me that the current police chief and mid management of the department all wish he'd just go the fuck away but he isn't one to take a hint. They are gonna have to tell him in very stark clear terms he ain't an officer anymore and he's become a pimple on the face of progress.

He really isn't a bad son in law but he really needs to admit he fucked up his opportunity with the PD and move on with his life.

[ProudDad]

41. And these dildoes carry guns... (n/t)

[Lars39]

5. The off-duty cop that held him at gun-point until the other cops got there

needs a commendation. That could not have been an easy thing to do, since he knew him.

[maggiegault]

7. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you: The Bush Voter.

Just call it a hunch. What a lower life form. His photo makes me nauseated.

[ooglymoogly]

11. Yes you see before you the picture of the typical 23%ers still

standing with the bushitler.

[Kingshakabobo]

50. I would bet on it after reading this quote:

"""And he disliked some supervisors who he believed were promoted because they were black."""

Another angry little puke who thinks the black man is holding him down.

[Xipe Totec]

8. I had a friend killed under similar circumstances

On a day after New Year's. He was shot and killed in front of his wife and five year old son.

The neighbor went on the lam and has never been captured.

[C_U_L8R]

9. freeps, firecrackers and firearms don't mix

come to think of it... freeps and anything don't mix

[PurpleChez]

17. I think they like to mix PBR and oxycontin.

BTW...I'm not a cat person, but I always LUV that picture.

[ooglymoogly]

12. Its a shut and close case...he had too many tweenkies.

[Big Pappa]

13. "Another NRA member who the NRA won't admit is one of their's?"

And how would you know this?

[brentspeak]

14. I wouldn't. That's the whole point.

The NRA is notorious for claiming they have "X-hundreds-of-thousands-of-members", but then clamming up when asked if this-or-that rampaging shooter was a member of their organization.

[Big Pappa]

15. Clarification appreciated.

I read that wrong.:toast:

[bainz]

18. How is this sensationalist marginal crap still in LBN?

Mods asleep again?

[Robb]

29. Welcome to DU!

:hi:






:eyes:

[Lady President]

19. Sorry, he probably voted for Kerry

Obviously, I'm going to be in the minority, but after the last few nights, I have some sympathy. All week the idiots in my apartment complex have been shooting off illegal firecrackers. In a nutshell: light off fireworks, dogs howling, people yelling at the party-goers to stfu, more fireworks, police, quiet for 15 minutes, more fireworks, repeat until the middle of the night. I can see how the frustration can grow.

The police had been called to the house in question many times for parties, so I have a feeling that this guy became progressively angry and snapped. With that said, he deserves to be punished.

Also, I would bet that he voted for Kerry. He's firefighter in Cuyahoga County one of the strongest union and Dem. counties in the state.

[WritersBlock]

22. Could have been sleep-deprived, too.

Fire-fighters work some strange hours. We don't know all the details. He could have just come off a 24-hour shift that turned busy. He could have been aching for sleep, only to be kept awake by yet another party next door (since the article stated that there had been complaints about that house in the past.)

There is no excuse for what he did, but it sounds like maybe there was more than one asshole involved here.

[Algorem]

25. maybe he was on those sleeping pills where you get up and do

things while you sleep

[Occulus]

70. And you're the second!

Welcome to my ignore list. Reason: Making excuses for a cold-blooded fucking murderer.

[brentspeak]

28. Uh, yeah...

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :dunce: :freak: :freak: :freak: :freak:

[LisaL]

30. You got to be kidding me.

The guy is accused of killing 3 people because of noise, and you can sympathize with that?
:eyes:

[Lady President]

31. Yep

Please note that I also said that he deserves to be punished.

People get pushed to the brink and do things that are immoral in response. Despite your childish 'rolling eyes' reply, this story seems more complex to me. This is a situation where the police failed to control an on-going noise problem. The residents of the house had the police called on them numerous times and didn't change their behavior. Noise pollution, heat, and sleep deprivation drive people to violence. I believe that we need to know all the facts here.

There is a huge thread in GD about wearing perfume at work. I don't understand how there can be so much sympathy for someone with allergies, but none for someone who snapped due to unrelenting noise.

[LisaL]

33. You don't understand? Really?

Well, for one, the lady with allergies isn't accused of killing anyone.
As for he deserves to be punished? Well, dah, if he did it, I would think that goes without saying.

[Lady President]

37. No talking to you....

While I have to believe that you are being purposefully dense, I'll try for the last time to make a very simple point.

Obviously, I was comparing society's capacity for empathy when I brought up the allergy issue.

There are things in this world that cause people to act in irrational ways. Unrelenting noise causes people to become violent. Haven't you ever sat next to someone on plane that cracked gum for hours or had an apartment with a neighbor who played music all night? For those of us who are noise sensitive, you can feel yourself become more and more upset. I have never become violent, but I could see how someone who felt that they had lost the quiet enjoyment of their home could.

I'm done with this topic, except to say it never fails to surprise me when liberals refuse to see both side to a complex issue.....

[LisaL]

39. Why, just recently I sat on a plane next to a crying baby.

Somehow I managed not to throw it out the window.
Complex issue? Oh give me a freaking break.

[ProudDad]

43. Yep, been subjected to all of the above

never shot anyone...

[Name removed]

45. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[ProudDad]

42. His "snapping due to (how do you know it was) unrelenting noise

does not merit murdering his neighbors.

Anyone who can do such a thing is a sick motherf*cker and deserves to be removed from society until cured...

It's too bad that the fucked up criminal-injustice system won't do anything but wreak vengeance unless he's acquitted by a jury of his (cop and firefighter) peers...Shades of Simi Valley...

[electron_blue]

49. Jumping in here... I think the problem is the idea that it's understandable that people will 'snap'

This world would be a lot better off if people took more responsibility for their 'snapping'. I agree with you that there is likely more to this story than just repored. Still, I don't think it's an automatic that people are driven to violence, thus releasing them of responsibility, in a way. This is how a lot of abusive behavior comes about - the person blames someone else for their snapping, when in reality, they could have controlled themselves. If they believe it were possible in the first place, which is not widely supported in American society. In the U.S. there is the mentality that extreme anger = violence, as a given. I'd like to see that changed.

[WritersBlock]

47. I didn't say I sympathized.

I said there was no excuse for what the guy did.

I said that it sounds like there was more than one asshole involved in this case. That's not sympathizing.

[pschoeb]

74. This happened on the 4th of July

Like anyone is expecting there not to be fireworks that night and following very early morning. People aren't total assholes for letting of fireworks at 12:10 am on the fourth of July, or having a party.

One interesting piece of info in the article is that Hough's address doesn't currently have a phone, though he has made 12 phone complaints over two years about this address he committed the crime at. It would seem he either lost phone service for some reason, which could mean the family was in serious financial straights, or possibly he had an IP phone not listed to their address, which might mean he couldn't figure out how to make a proper 911 call. Though my guess would be a firefighter would not get an IP phone, so I'm thinking there may have been something seriously going wrong at the Hough family.

Some fellow firefighters thought he was a ticking timebomb. He also was supposedly upset that black firefighters got promoted before him due to their race.
http://www.cleveland.com/crime/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/iscri/1183813015310230.xml&coll=2

[Tesha]

55. That many guns? Betcha NOT!

> Also, I would bet that he voted for Kerry. He's firefighter
> in Cuyahoga County one of the strongest union and Dem.
> counties in the state.

That many guns? Betcha NOT! From the original story:

> A handgun believed to be the weapon that killed the three
> victims was among seven handguns and five long guns confiscated
> from Hough's home, he said.

This is the kind of guy who's an NRA "Life" member and
"Vote(s) Freedom First!". And, of course, he's just got
all those guns to protect his home (against young adults
with fireworks).

Tesha

[Occulus]

69. And you're the first!

Welcome to my ignore list. Reason: sympathy for a cold-blooded fucking murderer.

[closeupready]

76. The neighbors across the hall from me a couple years back were musicians.

Kids having fun, basically, but the two of them and two or three of their friends would rehearse until 1:00 a.m. or even later, on weekends. And I'm talking amplifiers. I complained but the walls are thin and you could hear them all the time. It got so bad, the lack of sleep and peace. When their lease was not renewed, I can't tell you how happy I was.

No excuse for what he did, but given that sleep deprivation is a non-violent form of torture/punishment, I can see that this story is not black/white. The distaste for using the mind to grasp things in full is not unique to freepers, unfortunately.

[Algorem]

24. don't bring ladyfingers to a gunfight?

Where is this man?

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/07/where_is_this_man.html

Posted by Laura Johnston July 06, 2007 16:57PM
Categories: Breaking News

There was a man with Terrance Hough Jr. shortly after Hough shot five young adults at a 4th of July party, a survivor said...

The man with Hough refused to help the victims, said 23-year-old Donny Walsh.

"He actually said, 'F*** you guys, don't involve me with this shit,'" said Walsh, who was shot in the arm.



Then, Walsh said, the man and Hough walked back inside Hough's house on Sky Lane Drive.



Victim: Firefighter shot without warning

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/07/victim_firefighter_shot_withou.html

Posted by Laura Johnston July 06, 2007 11:24AM
Categories: Breaking News, Crime

The Cleveland firefighter accused of shooting five young adults over firecrackers early Thursday never complained about the noise, a survivor said today.

"There was no warning," said 23-year-old Donny Walsh, who was shot in the arm. "There was nothing at all. There was no dispute."

Walsh said Terrance Hough Jr. walked out of his ranch home on Sky Lane Drive with a black gun and said, "I bet you guys won't be doing this shit again.".

Walsh said Hough walked to the driveway of the house next door, where 24-year-old Jacob Feichtner lived, and shot Feichtner...



Firefighter charged in July 4th shooting

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/07/firefighter_charged_in_july_4t.html

Posted by kturner July 06, 2007 16:02PM


City officials charged Terrance Hough Jr. with three counts of aggravated murder in a triple homicide sparked by fireworks.

Hough is accused of shooting Jacob Feichtner, 24, in the chest; and Bruce Anderson, 30, of Parma, and Katherine Rosby, a 26-year-old Miami University graduate from Lakewood, in the back.

He is expected to appear in Cleveland Municipal Court tomorrow to face the charges. Officials said the case will then be presented to a Cuyahoga County grand jury and more charges could be added.

[Algorem]

26. Hough known for bursts of anger

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/118379798711940.xml&coll=2

Saturday, July 07, 2007
Mike Tobin
Plain Dealer Reporter

The Cleveland firefighters who worked with Terrance Hough Jr. shared a grim joke:

"I hope I'm off the day Hough snaps." ...

"He was a ticking time bomb that finally exploded," a Cleveland firefighter said...

"He would always come in and complain, 'My neighbors kept me up last night,' " another firefighter said. "He complained about the beer cans and the partying. Everybody knew he feuded with the neighbors."...





How could this happen?

http://blog.cleveland.com/plaindealer/2007/07/how_could_this_happen.html

Posted by Laura Johnston
Plain Dealer Reporter
July 07, 2007 06:00AM


Donny Walsh walks away with a friend from the memorial where his friend, Jacob Feichtner, died.Terrance Hough Jr. didn't call police Wednesday to complain about Fourth of July fireworks being set off on his street.
The Cleveland firefighter never told the people next door to keep it down.

"There was no warning," said Donny Walsh, who would soon see his best friend, Jacob Feichtner, die. "There was nothing at all. There was no dispute."

But about 12:05 a.m. Thursday, as five old friends were lighting Thunder Bombs and firecrackers in Feichtner's driveway on Sky Lane Drive, the 35-year-old Hough walked out of his house next door...

[Algorem]

27. Expert: Identify aggressive workers before they snap

http://www.cleveland.com/business/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/business-2/118379760411940.xml&coll=2


Saturday, July 07
2007Alison Grant
Plain Dealer Reporter

Do you work with someone who you're worried will snap?

John Byrnes, founder and president of the Florida-based Center for Aggression Management, says workplace violence is part of the larger issue of escalating aggression.

Byrnes describes a nine-stage continuum involving two intertwined forms of aggression: primal and cognitive.

Primal aggression, driven by the instincts of fight or flight, is fueled by adrenaline...

[paparush]

32. 7 handguns (and five long guns) in this guy's house.

Jeezus Beezus.

Lets see, take the guns out of the picture and you get, what, a fist fight? Maybe a garden tool thrown in for good measure?

"Shot in the back"

Nice touch Mr. Tough Guy.

[-..__...]

56. "7 handguns (and five long guns) in this guy's house"

That's all?

Must be an amateur or newbie collector.

[Wcross]

34. No excuse for his actions but the people shot provoked him.

Some people had to work on Thursday. It would be a reasonable expectation that they should have stopped by 10pm. Had they respected their neighbors perhaps they would be alive today? I notice he didn't shoot the neighbors on the other side of him. Sometimes when you are rude and don't respect other people bad shit happens.
As I said, there is no excuse for killing the people but the dead in this case share a portion of the blame.

[Doctor_J]

36. As do the police

who refused to deal with the neighbors before this got to this point.

[ProudDad]

44. Let's see a party with fireworks

on the 4th of July.

"Some people had to work on Thursday"

WHAT???? :wtf: Good reason for summary execution...

"I notice he didn't shoot the neighbors on the other side of him."

Such admirable restraint :sarcasm:

"As I said, there is no excuse for killing the people but the dead in this case share a portion of the blame."

:wtf: <--- Toto, we're not on DU anymore....


"It would be a reasonable expectation that they should have stopped by 10pm"

Not really on the 4th of July. I've never lived anywhere where the fireworks stopped at 10pm on the 4th...

How about he goes over and reasonably asks them to tone it down. I suspect that was not this guy's style.

[Wcross]

48. Like I SAID, there is no excuse for what he did.

Obviously you missed the point of my post. When you are rude to your neighbors sometimes bad shit happens. The police had been called to that house numerous times in the past, the people continued being rude towards their neighbors and something bad happened. Reality being what it is, they happened to have a nut case for a neighbor. That neighbor went off due to their actions. End of story.
Perhaps if they had a little more respect for their neighbors they would still be alive today?

[ProudDad]

62. The attitude displayed in your post IS THE PROBLEM!

You blame the murder VICTIMS for pissing off the MURDERER!!!

Don't you see the fallacy in your argument? Don't you see how your assumption that blame lies primarily with the people who DIDN'T SHOOT ANYONE justifies the SHOOTER????

I hope you can see that. If not, I despair for our species because that back-asswards attitude seems to pervade this sick society we wallow in... There are too many macho assholes who think that they have the right to do what this guy did if someone "pisses them off"...



If the guy was bothered by the noise and fireworks he should'a called the cops again. If the cops continued to do nothing he should have contacted his city councilperson or the mayor.

The murderer of these innocent people HAD OPTIONS.

But once that asshole opened fire on his neighbors he gave his neighbors no option but to run or die.

Do you want to live in that kind of bullshit society?

[Wcross]

71. "Do you want to live in that kind of bullshit society?"

Uh, apparently we already are. Jump up and down so this doesn't go over your head again. The people who were shot contributed to their own demise. Of course they didn't deserve it. Of course there were better ways to handle it. Reality being what it is, they happened to piss off a psycho neighbor and died because of it.

OK- NOW JUMP UP SO YOU CAN CATCH IT!!!! I have said NUMEROUS times there is no excuse for what the murderer did. I NEVER SAID THE BLAME IS PRIMARILY WITH THOSE THAT WERE SHOT. WAKE UP. This was not a random act of violence. The victims were specifically targeted because of their actions. I am just pointing out a fact which IN NO WAY excuses the guy who murdered them.

[LisaL]

51. You notice he didn't shoot the neighbors on the other side of him?

Lucky them.
:eyes:
No matter, I bet the guy is going to find some peace and quiet in jail.
:eyes:

[Wcross]

52. Duplicate post.

[Wcross]

53. Luck had nothing to do with it lizzy.

Who was shooting off the fireworks at 12:30am? The neighbors on the other side or the ones that were shot? Sometimes the only luck you get is the luck you make.

[bitchkitty]

54. Oh, come ON!

Three twenty-somethings are dead because they made noise on the 4th of July...and you think they should share a portion of the blame? Could you please take a break and think about what you just said?

[Wcross]

57. Thats the problem, nobody thinks anymore.

From the story;
"Police have received a number of complaints in recent years about loud parties, fireworks and drag racing for the house where the party was, he said. Some complaint calls came from Hough's address. No one called police about the party at the home on Wednesday night. Neighbors said the Hough family often complained of noise."

So, you keep shitting on your neighbors and expect them to swallow it forever? It just so happens these people lived next door to someone who wasn't right in the head. They didn't change their ways after numerous visits by the police informing them of noise complaints.

YES, they did bring the psycho to their doorstep. I NEVER SAID THEY DESERVED TO BE SHOT. I do believe if they had respected their neighbors it never would have happened.

Do you honestly believe that they would have been shot if they had been good neighbors?

[bitchkitty]

60. You are blaming murder victims -

and no, they probably would not have been shot if they had been good neighbors. By the same token, my neighbor who was raped shouldn't have been such a goddamned dumb-ass and left her second story window open in the middle of summer, in Georgia. </sarcasm>

You persist in insisting that the victims brought it on themselves. Maybe not in so many words, but the attitude is clear.

Who knows, maybe the sick prick will get lucky and get who thinks like you on the jury....

I'll save my indignation for the murderer, not the murdered.

[Wcross]

61. How many times do I have to say it- No excuse for what he did.

The victims contributed to their own demise in that they felt free to continually shit on their neighbors right to peace and quiet. At what number of visits by the police department regarding complaints about your behavior do you say "Gee, I must be upsetting the neighbors"? "Maybe I ought to stop"?

Do you REALLY think I believe it was anything but first degree murder? I merely pointed out that it would never had happened if they had respected their neighbors. Sometimes bad shit happens to you when you're an idiot.

ON EDIT;
Do you really believe they were "random" victims like your friend that was raped? If not, then the only logical conclusion would be they contributed to themselves being victims by their actions.

[Occulus]

90. That's why I put these assholes on ignore

They're saying these people deserved to die for shooting off fireworks. They don't NEED to say it in so many words- their posts speak for them.

Oh, and it's not a difference of opinion or a disagreement- it's my presence of compassion and empathy vs. their marked lack of the same that got them on my ignore list.

There's a name for people who lack compassion and empathy. I think it just might be appropriately used here.

(Even after eight hours at work, I'm still utterly, completely astonished that these... "people".... don't find anything wrong with what they're posting. My god. They think these murdered people deserved it. Sick, sick, 1000x sick.)

[Wcross]

91. delete.

:rofl:

[Occulus]

72. You would be number three

Welcome to my ignore list. Reason: blaming the victims.

"Sometimes when you are rude and don't respect other people bad shit happens."

[Wcross]

75. Can't handle a different opinion? Make sure you keep me on it.

They were a contributing factor to their own demise. This was not a random crime. They were targeted because of their actions.

[dysfunctional press]

77. congratulations on being the one and only person on my ignore list

reason: assholish behaviour.

[Wcross]

80. My apologies, I thought it was.

I am sorry, I thought it was. I have been getting a lot of negative posts regarding my theory that the victims contributed to the situation.

Again, I apologize for my confusion.

[dysfunctional press]

81. ummmm....

you do realize that my post wasn't a reply to yours, right...?

[Wcross]

88. No I did not.

Thanks for pointing that out, I apologise for the comments QuestionAll. Sometimes it is hard to follow the responses.

[dysfunctional press]

89. i agree with your theory...

it doesn't excuse murder- but being neighbors is a two-way street.

i don't know about ohio, but in illinois, fireworks are mostly illegal, even on the 4th. and yes, the noise can get maddening.

[CreekDog]

35. This guy was a nutjob who deserves punishment period

I want to talk about the fireworks though.

Fireworks are illegal in my city yet they were going off well past midnight on Wednesday night. Not only that, the fireworks they were using are so powerful that they are illegal everywhere and are basically just explosives.

I was kind of disappointed that in my fairly small city, despite all the fireworks, I didn't hear one siren, which might have shut them up for a few minutes at least.

[Jed Dilligan]

38. That's one sick countenance

Cover the left side, cover the right side. Two different people, both of them assholes.

[ProudDad]

40. Just another law-abiding

gun owner...

"Terrance Hough Jr., an off-duty firefighter, opened fire on his neighbor's home, killing two men and a woman in the driveway, police spokesman Lt. Thomas Stacho said. The people killed were all in their early to mid 20s."

"An off-duty police officer who lives nearby heard the shooting and followed Hough into his house and made the arrest, Stacho said. The officer, who knew Hough by name, held him at gunpoint until other officers arrived, Stacho said.

"A handgun believed to be the murder weapon was among seven handguns and five long guns confiscated from Hough's home, he said."

Just to "protect himself and his family", right?

This kind of shit is inevitable in this sick gun culture...


On Edit:

"There was a loud party going on," (police spokesman Lt. Thomas) Stacho said at a news conference. "Whether that had to do with shooting I don't know."

Gee, and some wonder why we haven't won the bogus "war on drugs" and the phony "war on crime" yet. With brilliant minds like this at work...

[slackmaster]

59. Too bad you weren't there to save the day by kicking the shit out of him

Being the model law-abiding non-gun-owner that you are.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2817870#2818239

[ProudDad]

63. Ah, a message from one of the trolls

crawling out of the muck of the gungeon...

I guess you clowns will elect this guy "gungeon good guy of the month"...

[slackmaster]

66. Always happy to point out a hypocritical position

Please note the conspicuous absense of anything resembling a reasonable, rational explanation for the irreconcilable discrepancy between ProudDad's denouncements of violence and his stated willingness to use it; someone simply possessing a gun is enough justification for him.

The existence of that attitude, even in rare individuals like ProudDad, is more than enough justification for keeping concealed weapons out of sight and lists of permit holders secret, and information about gun ownership forever private. In one post ProudDad not only defined himself; he cast a strong light on what gun ban advocates are all about: Control over other peoples' choices.

[ProudDad]

79. Check out the

penile substitute in post #67...

[slackmaster]

84. Someone in this discussion has penis on the brain, ProudDad

And it's not me. I don't need to wear my virility (or fertility) on my sleeve, ProudDad.

(ProudDad will now reply with something like "But you're the one who posted the dirty picture.")

[kskiska]

46. Looks like the death penalty wasn't a deterrent

in this case.

[ProudDad]

64. The "death penalty" Is Never Is a deterrent (n/t)

[bleedingheart]

58. Apparently this guy was a ticking time bomb...he supposedly didn't get along

with anyone...

I don't know how you can tell who will and who won't go off the deep end but folks like this typically give you warning signs.

The problem is that most people ignore them and what can you really do until they take that dive?

[ProudDad]

65. It sound like this guy would have been pretty easy

to diagnose -- given his gun buying history:

"A handgun believed to be the weapon that killed the three victims was among seven handguns and five long guns confiscated from Hough's home"

Anyone with that many fucking guns is a ticking time bomb...

Then you add his calling history:

"Some complaint calls came from Hough's address. No one called police about the party at the home on Wednesday night."

A lot of people, especially loose screws like this poor bastard seems to be, call the cops at the slightest sound from a neighbor...

Gee, college students' noisy party on the 4th of July:
WHO COULD HAVE ever imagined that could happen???? :sarcasm:

We get those in our neighborhood. We go over and talk to the kids and they quiet down... Novel concept, eh?

[slackmaster]

67. But to paraphrase Freud, sometimes a gun collection is just a gun collection

Anyone with that many fucking guns is a ticking time bomb...

I think anyone who publicly expresses a willingness to commit a violent crime against someone for choosing to exercise a civil right is a ticking time bomb.

[ProudDad]

78. You've proved my point...

but by your posts you've demonstrated that you're too immersed in your pathology to know how ridiculous you appear to sane persons.

[slackmaster]

86. "Sane persons" don't threaten to commit violent crimes

Even under the false security of an anonymous posting forum.

[Wcross]

83. Aren't you worried about that cat slack?

He looks like he's becoming "gun crazed" sitting in there. I hope he doesn't decide to whack you because of gun overexposure!!!!!! Lord knows that just having a gun around does that to people & kittens.

[slackmaster]

85. That's a female cat

As are most calicos.

I'm not afraid of armed felines.

[Wcross]

87. Cats rock!

One of my favorite gun stores in the Nashville area always had three cats roaming around and relaxing on the display cases. They were very friendly cats and seemed to follow you through the shop, especially if you made the mistake of petting them:shrug:

[NickB79]

73. If he started buying guns when he turned 21

He could have purchased less than one gun PER YEAR and accumulated 12 guns.

My grandfather owns about 15 guns; good thing I know now that the man that gave me cookies and looks like Santa is "a ticking time bomb..."

[bleedingheart]

82. my teddy bear of a neighbor across the street is a gun collector

and he wouldn't hurt a fly...retired marine..good man..never complains..tells funny jokes..