The Carlyle Group Agrees to Buy Loews Cineplex

[mahatmakanejeeves]

http://washington.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2004/06/21/daily4.html

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Carlyle goes to the movies
Jeff Clabaugh
Staff Reporter

District {of Columbia}-based investment firm The Carlyle Group is one of three investors that have agreed to buy Loews Cineplex Entertainment from Onex Corp. and Oaktree Capital Management for $1.46 billion.

The buyout is being led by Bain Capital, an investment firm started in 1984 by Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney.
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Carlyle was founded in 1987. Its directors have included former President George Bush, {Colin} Powell, James Baker and former British Prime Minister John Major.
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[Warpy]

1. ROFL!

Arms dealer to the world goes into the movie business!

I guess these pigs will do anything to make sure Moore's film doesn't get seen at as many theaters as possible.

[Qutzupalotl]

21. They can't buy all the theaters!

Well, maybe they can, but not fast enough!

[Tellurian]

40. Not if we start buying stock and drive the price up! ha! nt

[LosinIt]

2. Guess that means they Won't be playing F911

or are they??

[RamboLiberal]

6. I doubt if the deal will move fast enough to block the film

They darn well better not since I already bought a ticket for Friday at my local Loews. Not going to make me happy though that my $8.50 will be going in Carlyles coffer.

[piece sine]

20. every penny...

right into Carlisle's ppocket.... You're simply empowering them bvut your support of their theaters.

[RamboLiberal]

31. the ticket was bought online and non-refundable

so I'm at least going to get the pleasure of seeing F-911 if my money is already in their damn dirty pocket.

[Wickerman]

77. Sneak food in - don't buy their overpriced crap

that is where theaters really make their money - the film is secondary to the concessions.

[Tellurian]

42. Well, I hope Lowes know how much they want it and hold out for more $$$$

Maybe they should double the price.

Why?

Because they CAN!

I Love it!

[girl gone mad]

12. It's opening..

at a Loew's in my area.

[radwriter0555]

34. Or MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE.

That one's going to blow people's MINDS.

[Chico Man]

58. Is there a remake in the works?

[Tempest]

90. Starring Denzel Washington

movies.go.com/movies/M/manchuriancandidate_2004/

[smirkymonkey]

36. Actually, F911 is being played

at all the Loews Theatres in NYC.

Is Carlyle planning to stamp out artistic freedom in the theatres now??

[nodehopper]

51. oh, THEY ARE

don't forget, George Soros is on board with Carlyle, and there is an squabble between Carlyle and Halliburton.

[hackwriter]

3. Think this is related to F/911?

This is an awful lot of effort to go to in order to suppress Michael Moore flicks, don't you think?

[TheDebbieDee]

10. You're talking about the same cabal.........

that stole the 2000 Election. I wouldn't put anything past them.

[nodehopper]

52. No...Carlyle is squabbling with Halliburton...Carlyle is George Soros

They suck, too, but I think F911 is to their interests.

[TheDebbieDee]

59. Are you sure about that, Nodehopper???????

I could've sworn that Carlyle was a Bush/Bin Laden family venture.

[nodehopper]

69. yes and no...they are having internal squabbles, I think

I did some research about this and wrote about it on my blog, if you are interested, check it out, it has a lot of links to stories that are connected.
As far as I can tell, part of the internal struggles is disagreements between Carlyle and the Cheney wing of The Cabal.

Soros is part of Carlyle, and Bush Sr. resigned from Carlyle last year after visiting Putin in Sochi, shortly before Russian oil tycoon Khadorkovsky was arrested on Putin's orders (Khodorkovsky was also on board with Carlyle as one of their consultants.)

If you want links for all of this and more stuff, here is a link to what I wrote about it. It all goes back to oil, as usual.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/anthrochica/115959.html

[mountainvue]

65. I thought

the internal squabble was with Soros/Carlyle. I also thought he left the company.

[nodehopper]

70. No, it was Bush Sr. who left the company

Right around the time he went to visit Putin in Sochi, which was right around the time that Khodorkovsky, the Russian Yukos oil tycoon was arrested, which was right around the time that Soros' Moscow offices were raided.

[mountainvue]

83. Hmmm.

Wonder if this ties in with Putin's sudden remembrance of warning the U.S. about Saddam Hussein planning terrorist attacks on our soil after 9/11?

[nodehopper]

84. no doubt about it

And the State Dept.'s "uhhh....no" response to Putin has got to be a manifestation of an State/CIA vs. PNAC/OSP power struggle.

Check out the links I posted below. Interesting stuff there.

Also if you are interested, check out a thing I wrote about these connections on my blog some months ago, there are a bunch of links and more connections there.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/anthrochica/2003/11/12/

[mountainvue]

86. Thanks nodehopper.

I will check out the links and your blog.

[nodehopper]

73. here are some links

Bush Sr. Retires from Carlyle Post

http://www.independent-media.tv/item.cfm?fmedia_id=3320&fcategory_desc=Carlyle%20Group


http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:-NTUUZh3faEJ:friendsofliberty.com/+%22Carlyle+Group+versus+Halliburton+feud+(New+World+Order+squabbles)%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8


also this:

Carlyle Group versus Halliburton feud (New World Order squabbles)


http://www.friendsofliberty.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1338

[MallRat]

4. In a related story...

In a sudden change of heart, Loews Cineplex announced today that their theaters will not be showing Michael Moore's controversial new documentary, "Fahrenheit 9/11."

:-) Well, not yet. How long will it be before we see THAT headline?

-MR

[mom cat]

15. Oh my god! This calls for a massive boycott. It does not get any

sicker than this. They are terrified of the truth. Let's push Move On into boycott land.

[boobooday]

5. This isn't funny!!!

OH MY GOD. Can someone stop the insanity????

How many of our major media companies are now owned by defense contractors? Does anyone else find that frightening as HELL?

AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!

:puke:

http://www.wgoeshome.com

[checks-n-balances]

61. You're right . Their ownership of theaters won't end when F9/11 is over.

Their ownership will continue until someone else buys them out.

How is this so different from controlling the radio & television? It's still "media."

I agree - it's not just about F-9/11, it's about RW censorship. Not funny.

[Kolesar]

7. Loew's Cinema is playing F-911 at the Richmond Mall Theater in my town/eom

[ElementaryPenguin]

8. HOLY SHIT! Stopping Fahrenheit 9-11!

:puke:

We are truly Germany in the '30's!

[mountainvue]

66. This frightens me.

Are they looking for a nationwide outlet to broadcast their propaganda movies?

[nodehopper]

93. WHY is everyone thinking this is about stopping F9/11?

Yes, the Carlyle Group sucks.
But in their creepy internal struggles they are against the neocons.
Look at my previous responses in this thread, and the links I put there.
Carlyle is George Soros.
Carlyle is where Bush Sr. resigned from last fall right after visiting Putin in Sochi and right before Khodorkovsky, Russian oil tycoon and advisor to Carlyle was jailed, and Soros' offices in Moscow were raided.

read this article "Carlyle Group versus Halliburton feud (New World Order squabbles)"


http://www.friendsofliberty.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1338

I'm just sayin' it's important to be aware of how the factions on the other side are alligned. At this point Carlyle would have more interest in promoting F9/11. It's not a coincidence that Soros pledged monetary support to getting Bush out of the office. It's not profitable for them to be in bed with the neocons.

[ropi]

9. <sniff>

gw* to daddy: "daddy, michael moore is making fun of me!"

so what does daddy do? he buys the theaters.

<wah> <sniff>

i say moore should just send mass dvds and video tapes to everyone.

[BrotherBuzz]

11. Hmmm, one aspect of the military industrial complex that needs shoring up

Propaganda...

[ewagner]

24. Exactly

Bush and gang are learning that they don't have enough control of the media so this acquisition is improtant in that it will dictate what can be shown in theatres...not just TV....

[KoKo]

13. Now why would a defense contractor want to buy a movie house chain?

How many folks would freak out if they knew the connections?

[Mokito]

32. How many folks would freak out if they knew the connections?

Are you sure you wanna know? I think you'd be shocked by the staggering lack of 'freaking out' by folks who know.

[TexasBushwhacker]

45. Carlyle isn't a defense contractor per se

They're a privately held investment group that buys controlling interests in lots of different kinds of companies. The issue with that they have invested in defense contractors and they've had George Bush Sr., James Baker, and other people of influence with legislators who vote on appropriations for defense contracts. The Carlyle Group in and of itself wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for all the GOP ex-cabinet members, etc. that are willing to be extremely well paid lobbyists. Since The Carlyle Group is privately held, they aren't under the same scrutiny that a publicly held company would be. Of course there's nothing keeping these officials from being stockholders in Carlyle either.

If you haven't seen it, check out the video at this site:

http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html

[Just Me]

14. This causes me nausea,...

,...I mean,...my head is swimming at the thought of this war-profiteering group moving fully into a theatre near you.

:freak:

[Judi Lynn]

27. Too ugly for words, almost. It's like watching a huge snake

making its way toward an intended victem, only WE'RE the victem, f'r crying out loud.

Really hope the "marketplace" will tell them where to put their propaganda, one of these days.

[KittyWampus]

16. This Would Be An Easy & HIGH PROFILE BOYCOTT

and a great way to get Carlyle Group into public's awareness.

What the Group is and the fact that Bin Laden and Bush were both owners.

[FlemingsGhost]

17. Making it a lot easier to hurt their bottom line.

I don't purchase military weapons, but I do view motion pictures.

From this day forward, I will not patronize Loews cinemas. I hope you will all follow my example ...

[Arbustosux]

43. ditto

soon, however, I will run out of things I can buy :)

[LittleApple81]

18. Time for Democrats to start their own country. This one is too far

gone... THE REPUGS OWN EVERYTHING that allows information to get to the masses.

[genius]

19. Regal may be supressing F9/11 and now they want more suppression

of information. Pretty soon, we'll have to have showings of non-Hitler movies in our basements.

[TexasBushwhacker]

41. F 9/11 is showing at lots of Regal/Edwards theaters

Actually, I think was really smart about booking Fahrenheit 9/11. In most markets it's being shown at several theater chains, so if one chain decides to yank it, there are the others that will still be showing it. Then there are the art houses run by Landmark and Angelika and the true blue independents - GOD BLESS THEM EVERY ONE!!!

[Jacobin]

22. Awww fuck

These bastards just never stop.

:mad:

[Jay Bradfield]

23. This is frightening...

It is vitally important for progressives to get organized. This is signal to Hollywood that they had better tow the corporate line or else their movies won't get distributed.

I can't believe this is happening.

Where is the organized opposition. This has ruined my day.

How long are progressives going to take it up the ass until they finally realize that they need to play hardball with these radical conservatives?

[Karenina]

25. HOLY SHIT!!!

:wow:

[lucky777]

26. We're Suing Loews Now in Illinois State Court for commercials...

I'm the lawyer in that case where we challenge them for pushing back the starting times in order to show commercials. We argued for false advertising since they say 4:30 when they know that the movie is actually 4:47 -- they know it to the second. Anyway, we lost at the trial court level and are now appealing. The judge said that Loews has no obligation to tell the truth -- that is literally what he said. Amazing. Anyway, we'll probably lose on appeal; it is not my bread and butter -- I'm a law professor. But this news might complicate things. . .

[gristy]

29. You rock, lucky777

Your students are indeed lucky to have you!! Are they helping you on the case?
:yourock:

[kwyjibo]

48. thank you!

even though your lawsuit might not bring about any change, and I live in texas, it's good to know that people are trying to do *something* to stop the commercials. they are SO offensive and unavoidable, on the huge screen and incredibly loud speakers. the recent Fanta commercial is the worst commercial I've ever seen, and I swear I will never buy their drinks just because of that ad.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

57. I know what a kwyjibo is!

You must be a master at scrabble!

Welcome!

:hi:

[Laughing Mirror]

28. Does this mean the Carlyle mob is trying to go legit?

They recently sold right-wing French rag Le Figaro. What other media holdings do they have?

[gristy]

30. This is pretty f'in huge

You don't post much, mahatmakanejeeves, but boy, this one's a whopper.

Here's a description of what The Carlyle Group is: http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/eng/company/index.html

Firm Profile

The Carlyle Group is one of the world's largest private equity firms, with more than $18.3 billion under management. With 23 funds across five investment disciplines (management-led buyouts, real estate, leveraged finance, venture capital and turnaround), Carlyle combines global vision with local insight, relying on a top-flight team of nearly 300 investment professionals operating out of offices in 14 countries to uncover superior opportunities in North America, Europe, and Asia.

While open to opportunities wherever they can be found, Carlyle focuses on sectors in which it has demonstrated expertise: aerospace & defense, automotive & transportation, consumer, energy & power, healthcare, industrial, real estate, technology & business services, and telecommunications & media.

In a world awash with information, insight is often in short supply. Carlyle's edge is its ability to leverage the local insight of its investment professionals, collaborating across the firms? investment disciplines from deal sourcing and due diligence through portfolio company development. The result: A broader view of potential investment opportunities and deeper level of expertise, creating value for Carlyle portfolio companies that translates into superior returns for Carlyle investors.

Carlyle's team of investment professionals includes 133 MBAs, 25 JDs and 13 PhD/MDs from many of the world?s most prestigious universities.

Carlyle's conservative investment philosophy and disciplined investment process has generated extraordinary returns for its investors. Since its founding in 1987, the firm has invested $10.8 billion in 317 transactions.

More than 600 investors from 55 countries entrust Carlyle with their capital and their reputations. As one means of aligning its own interests with those of its Limited Partner investors, Carlyle has committed more than $900 million of its own capital to its funds.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

71. You don't post much, mahatmakanejeeves....

Thanks. Credit for the tip goes to "your favorite radio station doesn't play songs" WTOP, the all-news radio station in DC.

Investors to Buy Loews Cineplex Chain

It certainly looks like a headline from "The Onion," doesn't it?

I suspect the Carlyle Group isn't as bad as Alex Jones makes it out to be. Note that Clinton's choice for head of the Securities and Exchange Commission, Arthur Levitt, is now at The Carlyle Group. He went to Williams, so he is automatically not a member of Skull and Bones.

Spear Carriers:
Team

Inner Sanctum:
Senior Management Team

[radwriter0555]

33. YOU VILL VATCH THE FILEMS VE TELL YOU TO VATCH

und you VILL LIKE them and APPLAUD loudly!

[louis-t]

35. or ve vill drag your naked body

through broken glass, and zen ve vill shoot you. und zen it really gets ugly.

[radwriter0555]

37. TO ZEE OFFENS WITH anyone who defies us!

SCHNELL! SCHNELL!!!!

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

53. Saturday night double-bill - "Triumph of the Will" & "The Night Porter"

n/t

JB

[psychopomp]

76. "Night and Fog" would be a better choice

If you have not seen this film, suffice it to be said that, by use of actual footage of the camps, it is a searing reminder of what we are up against. "We" meaning we, humans.

A French documentary made in 1955, it is originally titled, "Nuit et Brouillard" (1955).

[Rose Siding]

38. It says they bought some of Verizon last month

and the rabid right is into long term planning.

They must anticipate some big trouble from F-911- id'd a flaw in their death grip on all things public, as it were- and decided to just outright own the venues that provide any media they can't control (yet)

[Spazito]

39. Holy shit! Shades of Joseph Goebbels!

Hmmm, will the next appointment to the bush administration be a propaganda minister?

[DaveSZ]

44. Members of the Bin Laden family are shareholders?

Have a link?


edit-

I found this, but there's nothing about the Bin Ladens:


http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html

[Spazito]

47. Huh? My post says nothing about the Bin Ladens

*

[KittyWampus]

49. My Post Did. Bin Laden Left Carlyle After 9/11

cause the public was beginning to get wind of it.

[They_LIHOP]

50. They were, but they sold out shortly after 9/11...

Bad press for The Firm, donchaknow...

Should be EXCEEDINGLY easy to Google, my friend ;)

[mountainvue]

68. They were asked to leave

after 9/11.

[gmoney]

46. Not that it'll do any good...

But you can write to the Loews Theater people if you care to squander the keystrokes.

http://www.enjoytheshow.com/contactus/contactus_form2.cfm

Here's what I sent them:

"Holy crap! You guys really sold out to the freakin' CARLYLE GROUP?? Whores... hope you all enjoy your new jobs within the Republican Party Office of Propaganda."

[DaveSZ]

54. Soros is in on this?

http://baltimorechronicle.com/media3_oct01.shtml


Though described by the Industry Standard as “the world’s largest private equity firm,” with over $12 billion under management, chances are readers haven’t ever heard of The Carlyle Group. Isn’t that a little odd, considering it is run by a veritable who's who of former Republican political leaders. Former Defense Secretary Frank Carlucci is Carlyle’s chairman and managing director (who, by the way, was college roommate of the current Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld). And that partners in this mammoth venture include former U.S. Secretary of State James A. Baker III, George Soros, Fred Malek (George H.W. Bush’s campaign manager, forced to resign when it was revealed he was Nixon’s “Jew counter”), and—presumably—George H.W. Bush?

[Spazito]

56. Yep, he is

I wonder how daddy bush feels having to sit with the man who is spending millions to take his son down?

[Insider]

55. who hates us for our freedoms NOW?

carlyle group has several heads of state & cabinet members too, don't they? not listed on their firm profile?

"these pigs will do anything" to take over our country.

[Geo55]

60. Ahhh ....S*HIT !!!

Hope the deal isn't quick enough to squash 9/11 around here...Loews is the only one I know of right now.

BTW...did Google go public? ....imagine the fascists would love to own the most widely used net search engine...
search GW Bush...result....DYNAMIC FREEDOM FIGHTER

[stepnw1f]

62. Sick People

There is no limit to these people. They believe in no bounds. Highly dangerous.

Yes folks.... we are seeing fascism in action.

[nolabels]

63. Mike is costing the Carlyle Group $1.46 billion

Does anybody think they would be buying this business if they were not worried that this was another avenue for information to get out?

Isn't the Carlyle Group just the Gun toting arm of the corporate fascist machine. I would say they just run the protection racket for all the rest of them

[homelandpunk]

64. I really don't understand some of the responses to this news. Christ!!!

I really don't understand some of you posting "ROFL" messages to this. Or some equally nonchalant response. This is FUCKING HORRIFYINGLY SINISTER.
These nazis want control of all news and opinions, and they have made the statement "NEVER AGAIN" to Moore and filmamkers who will be inspired to follow in his footsteps.
They hate freedom. They are the terrorists. They are the evil.
They are not worthy of American citizenship. They hate you. They loathe you. The idea of a free press shocks them. They are arrogant in their "solutions" to "problems"....throw money and buy everything that can be controlled, and for them, there is NOTHING they set their sights on that CAN'T be controlled. Death is always an option if money will not make problems and opponents go away.
These fucker nazi motherfucking reptilian soulless shits are making down payments for a future where my daughter will be controlled. Suffocated. Anesthatized. They want your children to be lemmmings...they hate your children. You think it is bad now.
Their next PNAC savior will make Bush look good in comparison...the way Reagan looks to us now in comparison to Bush. Think about that.
On behalf of my daughter I hate them with such visciousness....
This is so fucking apparent. They have said NEVER AGAIN.

[tom_paine]

67. Totalitarianism seeks to control ALL ASPECTS of a nation

Just another small victory for Tyranny.

[nolabels]

72. Who are the other players?

A book company, ( an information connection buying it for good cash with no clear picture on returns ?)

New Houghton owners in it for long term
BOSTON, Massachusetts, January 8, 2003 -- The Boston equity-investment companies that bought Houghton Mifflin want the world to known that they see their acquisition as a long-term investment. In separate announcements, Thomas Lee Partners and Bain Capital said they intend to keep Houghton as a single entity -- not break it into chunks to sell for a quick profit. Rumors about a break-up have been persistent since Lee-Bain's offer to buy Houghton from the French conglomerate Vivendi was accepted in October. Lee-Bain paid US$1.7 billion -- US$1.3 billion in cash and US$380 in debt assumption. Vivendi had bought Houghton only 19 months earlier for a lot more -- US$2.2 billion. It was part of Vivendi chief executive Jean-Marie Messier's rapid expansion that went awry when it was discovered how much debt he had amassed. Messier was fired, and his successors chose to sell Houghton as among the first of many divestitures in a desperate bid to raise case to make debt payments. That Thomas Lee Partners and Bain Capital are investment firms without publishing experience fueled the rumor-mills that they would try for a quick turn-around to score investment gains.
(snip)
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:6rKo-dxRvB0J:www.sa2.info/ARCHIVE/2003/01janA.html+Lee-Bain+%2B+Bain+Capital+%2B+nazi+%2B+buyout&hl=en

Still digging will bring more later.

[nolabels]

74. Why is so important to go into hawk over a non-performing business?

http://www.forbes.com/markets/newswire/2003/09/26/rtr1092934.html

NEW YORK, Sept 26 (Reuters) - Blackstone Group, one of the largest private equity funds, said on Friday it closed fundraising on its second collateralized debt obligation fund at $400 million, bringing to $1 billion the amount the firm has raised for such purposes.

The fund, which trades corporate loans and issues notes to investors, is headed by Dean Criares, a former Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce banker who brought a team to Blackstone in early 2002. The "Union Square" CDO fund follows on from Blackstone's "Hanover Square" CLO fund, which closed in November, 2002 at $600 million.

Only a few of the largest private equity funds have raised CDO funds, including Carlyle Group, Kohlberg & Co. and Bain Capital.
(snip)

[progressivebydesign]

75. Friends.. things are getting SERIOUS!

I cannot think of a more egregious overthrow of the film industry (particularly artistic freedom, and freedom of speech), than the takeover of a MAJOR player in where those films will be shown. this is not a coincidence. This is a takeover by a MAJOR defense contractor, and MAJOR rightwing empire. Those fuckers can buy up any thing with their WAR MONEY, their BLOOD MONEY. The right wing is already snapping up all the t.v. and radio stations and newspapers. Do I sound like a tin foiler? I'm not. I'm just realizing that the rantings about the neocons taking over America, is not hyperbole. It's reality now. This latest development freaks me out completely.

[demgrrrll]

78. Whenever these folks think they have or are going to take a hit they

come out swinging. John Ashcroft loses to a Mel Carnahan D (deceased)
In your face! Attorney General! and on and on. More of the same here.
This whole 3 + years has been a slug fest of sorts with Democrats getting knocked on their psychological asses time and time again. It always seems like we get sucker punched and then see stars with a side order of can they do that? How did they do that? They do have an ongoing we'll show you mentality don't they?

[Tellurian]

80. The public reacts where they will boycott Lowes theaters..

when the grass starts growing through the asphalt, they'll believe it.

[grasswire]

79. remember....

...Carlyle also owns Dr. Pepper Bottling (along with Cadbury Schweppes):

In addition to Dr Pepper, 7 Up, A&W Root Beer, Canada Dry, Schweppes, Sunkist, Squirt and Hawaiian Punch, DPSUBG distributes Snapple, Mistic, Evian, Royal Crown Cola, Diet Rite and Big Red.

[nolabels]

81. Coke, Pepsi, bottled water and even soon they will own the .............

Very rain that falls upon your face as you walk out into the storm :argh:



http://www.atpm.com/5.08/niagara/niagara7.shtml

I hope the drown in it

[Tellurian]

82. Yes, I heard there are plans in the works already..

under the guise of hydrogen cars..

H2O

[PROGRESSIVE1]

88. Nice photo!

[Swamp Rat]

85. Michael Moore has a new film topic

He can begin by walking into a Loews theater and purchase an ICBM in exchange for buying a block of tickets for "The Return of Dr. Strangelove: or How Bush Fried My Planet."

[LeftHander]

87. Remember Bush is about money first.....

Being fabulosly wealthy is more important than truth or principle in the Bush family. And for Carlyle. They probably saw a quick buck.

[Mithras61]

89. Just makes my "nickname" for them appropriate...

I've called them Cineplex Odious for years now...

[noonwitch]

91. We don't have any of those theaters in the Detroit area, to my knowledge

Just Star, AMC (the few that are left) and some independents like Landmark, which owns the two "art theaters" in the area.

[JPZenger]

92. 2,800 screens

Well I guess 2,800 screens owned by Loews won't be showing any of the new political movies that are about to be released this month. In addition to Moore's, there is a movie about the conspiracy against Clinton and the movie about John Kerry's life story.

Knowing Michael Moore, he's sure to get a great amount of mileage out of this story. When these things happen, it is the best publicity possible - International War Profiteers spend $2 billion to stop showing of movie about War Profiteers.

[nodehopper]

94. THIS IS NOT ABOUT CENSORING F9/11

I can't reply to individual messages anymore saying the same thing.

We should be aware of how the factions on the right work instead of knee-jerk response that in this case is counterintuitive.

Carlyle is NOT interested in supporting the Cabal.

Bush Sr. resigned from the Carlyle after endorsing Putin's move to put away Khodorkovsky of the Yukos corporation last fall. Khodorkovsky, along with the also-jailed Platon Lebedev were both advisors to Carlyle. This was right around the time that Soros' Moscow offices were raided. The oil interests of the two factions are divergent at that point, and Carlyle wants neocons out, hence Soros' monetary support for the anti-Bush movement.

IF this is related to F9/11 at all, which I doubt, because it's opening tomorrow and mergers like this don't happen overnight, they would be more likely to promote it, rather than censure it.

Just because all these Illuminati-type groups suck doesn't mean we shouldn't differentiate between them. We should be aware of their alliances and goals. Just like there is a real struggle between State/CIA and PNAC/OSP right now, Halliburton and Carlyle have very different agendas, and it's important to be aware to keep track of which agendas coincide with out own.

Everyone may find this article "Carlyle Group versus Halliburton feud (New World Order squabbles)" interesting.

http://www.friendsofliberty.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1338