Salon: The bulge gets bigger

[Lorien]

The bulge gets bigger

My Salon story Friday about the mysterious rectangular bulge in Bush's suit jacket during the first debate, which has been rocketing around the Internet, crossed over to the major print media Saturday, with articles appearing in both the New York Times and the Washington Post.

While the White House and the Bush campaign repeatedly blew me off when I tried to elicit some explanation from them for the obvious bulge under the president's jacket, the Times and Post had better luck.
According to the Times, Bush's aides first tried to claim that the photo that appeared in Salon and on the Web was "doctored." When they were forced to admit that the image of the object was clear in the original video feeds of the debate, they changed their story, according to the paper, suggesting that it was nothing but a wrinkle in the president's jacket. Even the Times itself noted that they failed to explain why the wrinkle had a rectangular shape. The most important piece of information obtained by the Post reporter was a statement by the Bush campaign that the president was not wearing a bullet-proof vest during the debate appearance -- one of the most widely offered alternative explanations for the bulge in the jacket.

More: http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/index.html (requires day pass)


Related- Image of the (possible) device :http://cryptome.org/bush-bulge.htm

[Vox_Reason]

1. Even wired to Hughes and Rove, he got hammered

Wire him up again, you fugging fascists!

The VP debate was enough to show most merkins who's really running this fraudulent, illegitimate government.

[papau]

36. With 2 debates and 2 bumps on the back, do we expect a 3rd next week?

[Vitruvius]

131. Why don't the Kerry people JAM the transmissions to Dubya?

And watch him fall to pieces during the debate when they do so?

Better yet, they could override the signal and substitute their own transmissions to Bu$h -- either misleading, harassing, or annoying. To put him further off his stride -- and force him to rip the earpiece right out of his ear -- on national TV.

It's easy to do; any techie can tell them how; any ECM type could do it with overkill...:evilgrin:

P.S: I know the Secret Service jams other electronic devices; what you're looking for is a signal in a spectral "window" in the SS jamming...

At the very worst -- if Bu$h & co are resorting to frequency hopping (which I doubt, but which would explain why the bulge is so large), you just jam any windows in the SS jamming...

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

116. It's not faulty wiring, it's a faulty presidency

A match-up between George W. Bush and John Kerry is like a match-up between Opie Taylor and The Scorpion King.

One of them is gonna lose. No amount of wiring in the world will help.

Opie Bush:



Scorpion King Kerry:

[whistle]

2. Well here is something that looks like what was in the back of...

...Dubya's jacket:

<snip>

cro UHF room Transmitter --
This is a complete package.
Its' looks can be deceiving ! These professional units include a powerful transmitter and Receiver (bug).

TRANSMITTER - This powerful little device (about 2.5" long) has an up to 5 days battery life and can be concealed almost anywhere. It will pick up the slightest whisper from up to 40 feet away and transmit to our UHF receiver with amazing clarity up to a distance of 800 meters.

RECEIVER - This is a state of the art two channel UHF receiver. Recently upgraded, its' sensitivity is incredible. It is capable of receiving the signal from our UHF transmitter for long range use with amazing clarity. A recorder can be connected to the receiver so the user can record all conversations and listen, too.

Please Note
This item is NOT available to U.S. residents , all others please check the regulations in your country BEFORE ordering.




Micro UHF Room Transmitter / Receiver
Item : 2027----------------------------- U.S. $ 1,370.00

<more at link> http://www.spyworld.com/Surveil5_LawEnforcement.htm

Scroll down once in the link and you'll see a picture.

[progressivebydesign]

6. Holy shit! That's IT!! Notice the antennnae!!!

That was the "cord" we saw snaking up his back! That is SOO it. Now that they've denied anything under his jacket, and denied a bulletproof vest (which doens't have a rectangle). AND when I looked the photos side by side of each debate, of his back, the SUITS were tailored totally differently.

WHat an idiot. That explains why he is so wierd and slow and choppy answering questions.

[Carla in Ca]

71. Here is a photo, the devise is called an 'earwig'

[Lorien]

86. Not completely hidden now, is it?

The WH could have said he wears a hearing aid, or a bulletproof vest....

[bagnana]

231. yuck. Isn't that just ear hair?

[Blue Gardener]

115. Is this a photo from the debate?

Interesting they will tell us what it ISN't, but won't tell us what it IS.

[Carla in Ca]

181. Regarding the earwig pic

The site only says it is from last February, thats it. I think he has been wired all along but it seems to have been first noticed last month during the Rose Garden press conference with Allawi, and then again at the first debate. Some have suggested it is a flak jacket but they don't have wires attached.
This man needs this to function...scary, isn't it?

[stickdog]

184. Is that a hearing aid? Or an aide he's hearing?

[UpInArms]

10. hmmm.... very interesting - thanks

transmitter picture

receiver picture


bulge picture

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3730364.stm

Bush's bulge stirs media rumours

A bulge in the back of President George W Bush's suit jacket during the first TV debate with John Kerry has triggered rumours that he was wired to get help.

Internet websites alleged the apparent bulge, during last week's debate in Miami, was a radio receiver feeding him answers from an offstage aide.

The Bush campaign dismissed the claims, saying it was just a wrinkle in the presidential jacket.

It also denied some web reports that Mr Bush was wearing a bullet-proof vest.

...more...

[whistle]

15. Tell me how you are able to post those pictures please....

...also it's possible this or a device very similar was used. My guess is that the receiver was all Bush would have had on him and that it was taped upside-down so the antenna was concealed by the loose fabric of the jacket. The ear-piece wire though would have to lead up his back emerge at the collar at his hair line and then into the ear....MIHOP:tinfoilhat:

[librechik]

25. Right click on the picture you want to post

choose "properties"

highlight and copy the url of the pic

bring it over here to your DU post. Paste it where you want it. Only the URL will show while you're composing. After you're finished, click on Preview (at the bottom of yout compose message page.

If the pic doesn't appear in your preview that's becasue it'a got forbidden code and you have to keep looking for a similar image that works.

Usually it works, though, so enjoy!

[whistle]

27. Thanks

[KT2000]

33. Thanks for this info

I have always wondered how to do that.
That was really nice of you.

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. Do you know how to do that on a Mac?

[Lorien]

37. Hold your mouse down over the image

when a window appears, select "copy image location".

[proud2BlibKansan]

44. Thanks but I'm stupid

What do I do next? I have tried dragging it but that doesn't work. I now have the image on my desktop. How do I post it on the discussion board?

[Lorien]

50. You want to copy the image location

try it with one of the 'bulge" photos (some images copy more easily than others, for some reason), if you like. When the window appears, select "copy image location" (usually near the bottom of the selections- "copy image" will put it on your desk top). Then simply open your "post a message" page, click on the text box, go up to "edit" on your desktop and click on "paste". The link for the image should appear in the text box.

I just copied GoddessOfGuinesses' anteater. The text for this image appears similar to this:
http://www.redjellyfish.com/images/thumbs/320/ anteater.jpg

Here is the image with (corrected) link:

[proud2BlibKansan]

54. I don't get 'copy image location'

I only get 'copy image'.

This is so frustrating. grrr.

I deal with an obnoxious repuke on another board who posts all kinds of cartoons and pictures that are insulting to Kerry. I have a desktop full of images I want to post on that board but I can't figure out how to do it.

I love my MAC but there are a few things hard to do on it.

[Lorien]

59. It's probably the type of image you're trying to copy

I only get that option for some images. I don't know why that is. If you can only get it to your desktop, then you might try a free image hosting site. Photobucket is very popular around here. I use www.picturetrail.com. You can try it for free. The directions are on the site; takes a bit of time to set up, but it's pretty simple.

Yeah, I've only had a Mac for two years (my first computer!), and some things are a bit frustrating-but I still love it!

[proud2BlibKansan]

65. Thanks I'll try that

Yes, I love my MAC but I am having this picture posting problem and I can't watch most videos I find on the internet either.

But not having to worry about viruses is worth the frustrations.

This is my second MAC. I bought one in 1993 that still works great. Of course, it's just a word processor now but I have never had to have it repaired or cleaned or any work done on it. And in that same time, my husband has been through probably 5 PCs.

[Jane Austin]

78. For a Mac, select "Download Image to DisK"

You will get a dialog box allowing you to select where to store it (desktop or a folder) and what to name it. It defaults to naming it whatever it was named by the original poster.




(edited for typo)

[MGKrebs]

175. Another option in that window is "open in new window'.

You can select that and then just copy the url of the new window, and paste it into your post. I believe the url has to end in "jpg" to work though (which most will).

[Art_from_Ark]

89. It depends on what your browser is

I use Netscape in OS 10. I move the cursor to the image and push "Control", then click the mouse to get the commands, which includes "Copy Image Location". I click that, then paste the URL address in the message window.

If you have OS 9 and save an image, the address of the image will automatically be saved as part of your image information. You can get the information on the image (by moving the cursor to the image icon, then pushing the apple/command key and "I"), then copy it and paste it into your message window.

I have been using a Mac for more than 10 years, so if you have any questions about yours, feel free to send me a personal mail:D

[proud2BlibKansan]

123. like this?

story.jpg

[Art_from_Ark]

202. Your URL address needs to start with "http"

For example, I moved my cursor to one of the images that appears near the top of this thread, held down the "Control" key and clicked the mouse, then selected "Copy Image Location". The image location (address) looks like this:

http:// images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005JKYX.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

I have purposefully made a space between the // and "images" in the address to keep the picture from showing up and to show you essentially what the address should look like. When I delete that space, the picture should show up in my post.

[proud2BlibKansan]

124. Another dumb question

how do I send you a personal mail?

This is a confusing message board - not as user friendly as the others I go to.

Thanks for the help. I feel really stupid.

[LiberalFighter]

162. If I want to use the source of the picture

mouse over picture
right click
select properties
highlight address (url) of picture
copy
go to posting and paste

[emulatorloo]

230. the Mac is not the problem - it is YOU! here are instructions

hold your mouse over the picture

click the mouse button while holding the "control key" on your keyboard

a menu will pop up

select "Copy Link to Clipboard" or if that isnt listed, select "Open Image in New Window" and copy the URL that comes up in the new window w your picture in it.

then come to your DU posting window

Go to the "edit menu" of your browser and choose "Paste"

you will have then pasted a URL link to the picture. . .which when you post will show the picture.

[Scoopie]

82. This has no relevance to anything

but I think anteaters are one of the coolest animals on earth!


That aside... just remember this: KISS.
Yes, I want to rock and roll all night and party every day, BUT...I also want to Keep It Simple, Stupid.

Very good blogging. Just keep in mind the CIA - Bushy Tushy's daddio - has stuff available we don't even know exists.

It's only a conspiracy when two people are involved. Heh!

[Seabiscuit]

182. Test

Hey, it works. Thanks!

[homodem]

191. Interesting...

One would hope that 2004 technology could provide for a device with a bit more stealthy qualities. James Bond had better equipment in the 60's.

[Kimber Scott]

12. That looks like the size of the lump, most definitely!

I will die if this story actually gets legs. This would be more embarrassing than a blow job in the oval office, by far.

[Guaranteed]

109. Yeah, and the "wire" going up his shoulder is actually an antenna. nt

[JPZenger]

119. Its Like an Old Star Trek Episode

This reminds me of an old original Star Trek episode named "Patterns of Force". The Enterprise visits a planet and finds that a Nazi society has been re-created. A former Federation official named Gill is its Fuhrer/leader - but he is only seen on television.

Kirk, Spock and McCoy watch Gill making a speech, that is accompanied by a chorus of "Hail Fuhrer":

Gill: "..the job ahead is difficult. It requires courage and dedication...
(Applause)

Kirk: Watch his mouth.

Spock: "Captain, the speech follows no logical pattern. Random sentences strung together."

McCoy: "He looks drugged, Jim, almost in a cataleptic state."
I've got to have a close look at him."

Eventually they break into the broadcasting booth where Gill is giving his speech and gives him an anti-dote to the drugs he was given. Gill then recovers and announces to the people of the planet that they have been fooled. He says that Melakon has been the force behind the oppression and the wars and orders that the war that is about to be started be stopped. Gill is then killed by Melakon.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

203. Yup. This about sums up the current state of our national leadership.

Heh.

[NVMojo]

186. or this...

http://www.phisciences.com/products.html

go to the bottom of the page.

[Dickie Flatt]

3. Where can I see a pic of the "oblong hump" from the Fri. debate?

[Kimber Scott]

17. Look here

There's a picture in post #5

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=892069

[Dickie Flatt]

24. Friday's debate

That's from the first, on Thursday. I'm looking for one from last night's debate.

[Kimber Scott]

28. The pictures I saw from Friday didn't look like he had anything.

I know other people think he did, but if you notice, his flow was much better, he was more "in the moment" as opposed to perhaps trying to listen to two people at the same time on Thursday - John Kerry and the voice in his head. So, the picture I have seen is not convincing of a bump on Friday and the evidence isn't, either. I'll see if I can scrounge it up.

[LiberalFighter]

29. They probably figured they couldn't do it because he would be walking

[Lorien]

34. Here's photos from both nights:

I've taught nude figure drawing classes for 15 years, and those lumps are nothing natural!

[GoddessOfGuinness]

49. The top photo looks like

Dumbyass is inspecting Kerry's back...

[Ripley]

53. Clearly photoshopped.

Will you people never learn to detect bullshit?

Do you really think he walked around on stage with that type of bulge on his back and no one noticed it until this pic?

It's a freaking fake, exaggerated from the crease in the real photo.

[Occulus]

76. Bull.

I've done some, shall we say, necessarily convincing Photoshop work in the past. These pics bear none of the hallmarks of a Photoshopped image, and if you'll bother to read the articles posted regarding this issue, the bulges are visible in the video as well.

Oh, right, I forgot- they're soooo good at this that they can model, animate, and render work from Maya all in real time on your TV screen. /sarcasm

Nice try, but spin again.

[Skittles]

92. Ripley

it's not photoshopped - sites that have investigated went back to look at the film of the debate itself and saw the lump for themselves.

[nomes]

96. But that pic is from AP.

I doubt *they* photoshopped it.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/041009/4...

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

138. I sense a GREAT disturbance in the Force.

[October]

173. Am I the only person who saw it THAT night?

During the 1st debate, they showed Bush from the back several times. I said outloud "What is that wire under his jacket?" I never thought more of it...but...I do now. And I saw it LIVE.

I did not notice anything during debate #2.

[October]

174. No -- I saw it LIVE

Didn't anyone else notice it DURING the debate? I sure did.

[Lorien]

178. I seem to remember someone else saying they did

maybe several people. I don't remember if it was on DU or Smirking Chimp, though.

[Lizzie Borden]

180. YES YES YES!!!!!!!

[Shakespeare]

224. Yup, saw it here, too.

Hubby and I immediately hit rewind on our DVR (sort of like a Tivo, but it's for Dish network, and I don't think I could ever live without it--nothing like being able to pause and rewind live TV!). There was DEFINITELY a bulge there Friday night.

By the way, Salon's war room column notes that even the Bush campaign admitted the photos WERE NOT PHOTOSHOPPED.

[Ripley]

243. As I stated in a GD04 thread about "proof of a wire"...

Okay, I understand the photos and stills are REAL, not photoshopped...sorry, that was my first impression, because I have see good PS.

I'd love for this to be true. The media should demand an explanation, not frivolous snotty answers from the White House about liberal websites.

However, I have seen video of him walking around on Friday night and in one clear back shot...he had no bulge. Now, did he remove it somehow while he was debating? Did we miss that part? I still think it was a trick of lighting/camera angle/shadows. Even if you saw something odd live, maybe it was just his poor posture forcing his scapula to hyerextend. Or maybe he's wearing a GD vest and they won't admit it because it would make him look WEAK.

I know I'm pretty much alone in my skepticism here, but that's just MHO.

[wackywill]

238. I pointed it out to my son as we watched together.

Figured it was body armor.

[sandnsea]

179. I noticed it

I was looking for it on Friday. It was there, no question about it. And it's there in the original clips from the previous Thursday too. I've always believed he was using an ear piece. The only real question is if he always uses drugs and whether he's hyperactive and the sedatives sometimes have a reverse reaction, like on Friday.

[Dark Jedi]

62. If Bush Wins Again.....

You are out of here, Jen6! Probably kicked to France or some other "degenerate, librul place". Nude figure drawing classes? Does Jerry Falwell know about this? :) How about John Asscroft? He hates nudes, you know.

[Lorien]

134. LOL! if he steals it again, I'm out anyway!

I have taught for colleges that insisted that the male models wear g-strings (but women could remain nude), and more colleges these days are asking that both genders cover up. The way things are going, not even a physician will be able to look at bare skin in the near future!

[Silvermint]

209. And you know what, they're right!

Outlaw sex! Outlaw sex!

In fact, let's go one step further... let's outlaw GENDER!

:bounce: Hoo-aah!

[LibDemAlways]

80. Debate #2's lump looks like a wire.

Saw speculation on another thread that in the second debate chimp had the receiver affixed to his waist with the wire extending up his back. Chimp is simply not capable of forming a coherent sentence on his own. He doesn't do a hell of a lot better even being fed the answers, but his handlers would never put him out there without his electronic lifeline - never.

[tinanator]

171. somebody watching the debate who was aware of the issue

said Kerry walked up to Bush at the beginning and clapped him on the back. knowwhaddimean?

[WhiteTara]

237. During the first debate, the wired him technologically; in

the second debate, he was wired with drugs.

[txindy]

47. Reply #36 has a picture from last night and a NEW bump on his back

It looks like the receiver from the first debate was replaced with a genuine protective vest for the 2nd. It def. has the outline of a vest and covers the back properly. It's completely different from the first debate's outline. This is probably one way they'll try to show that he was only wearing a vest, by having him wear one now and claim it's the same one. It's not. Not even close.

[Kimber Scott]

72. Problem is the WH said he wasn't wearing a vest.

I noticed the bump in the first debate and wondered to myself what it was. I concluded it must be a bullet-proof vest, or something like that, but I did think the bump was a little strange and left it up to greater minds than mine. Suddenly all these stories started popping up about the bump and then, I think it was the NYT, asked the WH what is was. First they said it was Photoshopped, but then they were shown the video. Then they said it must have been a wrinkle. The reporter asked if it could have been a vest and they said "no."

The pictures shown above in this thread do not appear to have the same rectangular bump I've seen in other pictures. I want to see the video again, as it seems something isn't jiving now. If he did wear a wire, I hope he gets slammed for it, but if somebody is trumping this up and is sending people off on another wild goose chase, they would be just as wrong.

[txindy]

147. No, no vest in the first debate

I'm talking about the picture of the second debate(see Reply #36 in this thread). Junior is wearing a vest in that debate, NOT the first one. The profile of the so-called 'wrinkles' on his back is vastly different between debates. My convoluted point was that he changed what he was wearing from debate one to debate two, most probably to begin a "See this is what he was wearing all along" false rebuttal. At the very least, they are lying - again - that he wasn't wearing anything under his jacket when he clearly was. And a special thanks goes out to the brave Faux cameraman for providing the pictures! :thumbsup:

In summary: Yes, it was a wire and receiver in the first debate. Yes, it was a protective vest in the second debate. If he had a wire in the second debate, it was somewhere else, not on his back. The WH made their denial about the vest after the FIRST debate. They haven't made any comment about what Junior was wearing since the second debate.

Sorry I wasn't clearer the first time around! :hi:

[StatBabe]

187. I think you're right!

I have watched the video from C-Span of both debates--the bulge is obvious in the first debate. In the second debate, some have speculated that he had rearranged his transmitter to the front. There's even supposed to be a take-out that shows a bulge in the front, but I am not sure what this will prove since he might very well have something there for his microphone. Anyway, I would not doubt that he had someone feeding him answers in the second debate, but how they did it is another issue. In the first debate, there is NO DOUBT in my mind that he was getting cues from someone! However, I am not sure what the story was in the second debate.

[txindy]

188. All of our eyes will be glued to him in the third debate!

LOL! I've never watched Junior so closely, ever. It kind of goes against my natural instincts, looking at him. ;) All of the DUers plus everyone who reads or hears the stories in the media will be watching him very, very closely. That alone is too funny! If Blinky so much as twitches in the wrong direction or at the wrong moment, many of those people will be convinced he's cheating. And I'm sure he is, so..... Perfect!

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[nomes]

201. picture of wire in front (2nd debate)

(still taken from members.cox.net/unmarked/002.wmv)

[ElementaryPenguin]

228. Holy smokes! You can see it - clear as day!

:puke:

[UCLA Dem]

4. The best part of this is that the Faux cameras filmed it!!

[henslee]

5. Why a receiver the size of 60's garage door opener? Maybe its medical

related. He did duck his medical.

[progressivebydesign]

7. Please look at the post above.. it has a link to the probable piece.

I'ts actually more the size of an old transistor radio. Flatter, and bigger than garage door opener.. PLUS it has a soft antennae that is the same exact shape as the wierd cord thing up his jacket AND on the correct side.

[DulceDecorum]

46. Alien Bush has a Keeper

http://www.oinc.net/B5/Enc/display.php?keeper

It's a Babylon 5 thing.
Some of you might not understand it.
But it DOES explain the dry-drunk syndrome.

[Babel_17]

146. Lol, good one ......

and don't forget Bob Heinlein's "The Puppet Masters".

[Spinzonner]

8. Or is this another misdirection play by Rove and Co.

A real bulge but a fake transceiver or other communications scenario.

Intended to get the media talking about something else than Bush's performance and the administration's record.

Then, have it turn out to be false or unproveable and discredit the media and make Shrub seem like a victim and immunize him against other criticisms or later accusations.

[Dickie Flatt]

9. No.

Rove is smart, he plays dirty, but when we call out everything that happens in the campaign as a briliant Rovian trick, it's pretty clear that Rove's greatest victory was making us scared as hell of him.

[truthisfreedom]

18. scared of rove? yes. determined to beat him at his own game? of course.

so angered and irritated by his tactics that we're rising to the occasion? naturally. he called far too much attention to himself... now he's a liability to bush instead of the "boy wonder" he used to be.

[Scoopie]

84. Again, OT

But, I calls 'em as I see 'em.
And THIS is a fantastic photo:


Sheeple won't get it - but Indies like me think it's very nice. It reminds me of days at dusk in times much less complicated.

Nice picture. I think I'll look at it again when I get stressed about the neo-cons at work.

[Silvermint]

210. Grand Admiral Rove?

Heh, the way you talk about Rove reminds me of (revealing my geek roots here) Timothy Zahn's SW books about Grand Admiral Thrawn, thought to be the best strategist in the galaxy. They believed he was so clever, and so beyond mistakes, than ANYTHING could have been a Thrawn plot... and it wasn't until they stopped being afraid that they actually beat him.

Besides, if Rove wanted to discredit the media, then he'd pull something like the CBS Memo / Dan Rather trick. Remember, the neo-cons were crying foul within HOURS of that video. Rove would not have waited this long to discredit the conspiracy theorists, and further, he wouldn't run the risk of not being ABLE to discredit us... a lot of people will look at the bulge and wonder, no matter what the spin says. People tend to believe their eyes. Lastly, let's not forget that, in order to prove that it was just a conspiracy, they have to tell us what it ACTUALLY was, and they're saying that there was nothing there.

No, in fact, this looks too sloppy to be a Rove counter-ploy. After all, he hasn't capitalized on it, and that ALONE is proof that it's not a trick.

[mia]

11. MicroEar In-Ear Receiver

http://www.todoespias.com/phonak_engl.htm

The new crystal-controlled Covert Wireless MicroEar In-Ear Receiver is the result of the latest chip technology (circuitry is integrated in a single silicon chip) which allows for its miniature size which makes it ideal for covert communications for law enforcement, government (currently in use by the DEA and the Secret Service), security, executive protection, private investigators, and investigative journalist

[GoddessOfGuinness]

185. The big question is...

If he did use a device like that, was it purchased with 1,200 taxpayer $?

[homodem]

194. ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

that is a big question!!! I smell impeachment.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

198. Welcome to DU!

Impeachment would be nice; but I'd settle for just getting him and his assholes outta there! :hi:

[homodem]

199. Thanks

Me, too. Damn chimp, anyhow. They don't represent this Gay Black Marine.

[txindy]

216. Welcome to DU!

Exciting time to be here, isn't it?! :hi:

[homodem]

193. It would be too smart

for the WH to use something as covert as this. I agree that they would want to utilize a device the size of a dishwasher.

[Ready4Change]

13. It occurs to me...

That this may be nothing sinister, yet something we can't be told about,

For example, if I were a secret service agent responsible for the Presidents safety I'd be apprehensive whenever he was in conditions that would not allow him to be surrounded by masses of secret service bodies in more than a few seconds.

So if I can't get cover around the President on my own, I'd want some way to get him to get himself under cover asap. That means I have to communicate with him, irregardless of whatever noise and distraction might be present from an attack.

Thus, the device could be a radio reciever with a very loud speaker, placed as near to his head as possible while still remaining relatively covert (unless he hunches over his podium like an idiot.) It could even have touch servos, to give him physical cues on which direction to go should noise levels be deafening.

I'm totally making this up, and think it being a reciever for an earphone to me far more likely. However, it being a peice of secret service security equipment could be a reason for the White House to deny it as well.

[gumby]

26. If you were a Secret Service Agent

Maybe you would have grabbed W when you knew this country was under attack on 9-11 and bodily moved him to safety instead of letting him sit there and read a children's book. No ear-piece needed.

[venus]

108. My point exactly. n/t

[LiberalFighter]

31. They would have to do the same for Kerry

[Jane Eyre]

32. Wouldn't Kerry be wearing the same Secret Service equipment?

I know that there are different levels of Secret Service protection between the person actually occupying the position and the candidate challenging that person (for example, Kerry wouldn't have access to nuclear codes)...BUT...if the purpose of the device is to communicate imminent danger to the protectee, then Kerry should be wearing a device as well. That is, if the Secret Service agents sees someone with a weapon in the crowd and yells "DUCK!", then BOTH Kerry and Bush should be warned.

On the other hand, maybe the Secret Service has attached the device to Shrubya so that they can yell "GEORGE - TIME TO QUIT READING THAT DAMN GOAT BOOK!" :-)

[reprobate]

153. The question to ask yourself about the Secret Service......

.....is Which of them would take a bullet for the idiot? I think they would have to draw straws. And by then the question would be moot.

[alfredo]

Appearances are everything. If the public starts thinking that bush

is cheating at his debates and still losing, one or two may change their vote.

[Katherine2]

45. Yeah, but Kerry has SS protection now, too

Wouldn't he have the same type of protection that Bush does, and wouldn't he have a bulge too?

[Ready4Change]

57. Hmmm.

I thought Bush, as the current POTUS, gets a higher standard of protection. If they get the same protection then either my above theory would be nonsense.

[nomes]

97. The SS has better tech than that

Would they really use techonology from the 70s? I mean, *I* could get a two way communications device smaller than that.

My theory: Bush has been replaced by a robot. Anyone? ;)

[mia]

129. Yikes!

THE IMPERIAL PRESIDENT IS AN ALIEN ROBOT

WASHINGTON ~ Undercover tabloid journalists have compiled photographic evidence that proves the Imperial President is actually an atomic robot provided to the Shadow Government by space aliens. Using instinct and advanced digital technology, investigative tabloid reporters were able to gather evidence that indicates the Bushbot was made by evil mutant aliens from the Arien Planet.

The Capitol and the White House were kept under constant surveillance for over a year and many suspicious events were documented by tabloid reporters. They report a flurry of unusual activity taking place last September shortly before the War Against Evil was declared.

On September 9, a large space ship hovered over the Capitol for several minutes while a high-energy beam transported a robot to a spot behind the Capitol. Alien detection devices employed by the reporters showed that no life forms were beamed down but an atomic robot was detected.



Computer enhanced close-up of Imperial Vice President's
"heart monitor" shows it is actually a robot controller


The following day, Imperial Vice President Cheney was seen at a news conference holding a small electronic device. He explained to curious tabloid journalists that the device was a heart monitor. Later tabloid photographers enlarged the snapshots made of Dick "Warbucks" Cheney that day and noticed that his "heart monitor" was in fact a robot controller. A marking near the power switch appears to be a symbol used by mutant aliens from the Arien Planet. A similar symbol is used by the Shadow Government headed by Cheney.

more

[kslib]

233. hmmm...

Well now, that explains a lot! :tinfoilhat: :D

[Lorien]

14. One easy way to investigate

check out any of Shrubs early appearances with the press; if you pay attention to the pauses before his sentences, they are generally as long as his following sentences. I think he's getting better at repeating the phrases being read to him, but not THAT much better!

[crossroads]

20. Bush can't repeat his *own* thoughts!

LOL!
:bounce:

[mainer]

16. WH Tactical Error! Discounting the likeliest possibility!

Okay, they reveal it's NOT a bullet-proof vest. That was stupid. It leaves speculation wide open.

[jrthin]

19. FOLKS, THIS IS IMPORTANT.

I hate to sound like a broken record (I started a thread on the topic) but if the American people think that shrub had or tried to cheat, he's toast. Trust me on this one. Americans, generally speaking, like fair play, and they will turn on you if they catch you cheating.

[Lorien]

22. Very true

check out GD; SoCalDem posted a related artle there that ties more of this together with previous reports from the D-Day ceremonies in Normandy. If Bush* has been fed his lines, than his debate performances-as bad as they were-are rendered null and void.

[Chimpanzee]

128. Sorry, but reality discounts your suggestion

The people voting for Bush will not change their vote over this. If they won't change their votes over all the things that Bush has done (or failed to do) and his motives used, then there is virtually nothing that will change their minds. They are Bush-Bots, created by fear, lies, and facade.

If they were going to 'see through' dumbya's bullshit, they would have done so long ago...

BTW, I'm new here - incase anyone cares - from Madison WI.

[Lorien]

140. Sadly most Americans care more about the trivial

than the tragic when it comes to political lies. Blame it on our tabloid culture, or intellectual laziness. I agree, BushCos other lies are far more critical, but they aren't petty enough to resonate with most of the electorate.

BTW- Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Silvermint]

211. Hmm...

True, they might not change their votes... but it might discourage them enough to stay home. Remember, even the neo-cons rely on voter turnout... and having your man revealed as a puppet is not exactly going to motivate you to get up off yer arse and vote, now is it?

[Gregorian]

21. The main point here is not that he may have used a device.

But that he is, and has been, such a cheat and liar, that we cannot help but be skeptical. Had this been JFK, or Jimmy Carter, or pretty much any other president, there would not have been the slightest speculation as to whether he cheated or not. This, is the issue. We have a president who cannot be trusted. And as a result, millions of hours have been literally wasted by us civilians in an attempt to watch his every move. He has robbed this country of much more than anyone will ever know.

[Cat Atomic]

41. Well said. That is indeed the point.

It reminds me of urban myths. The stories themselves may be untrue, but the fact that they persist says something about the culture.

[xxqqqzme]

93. couldn't agree more.

Reminded my of a headline I saw after the 1st debate - President DEFENDS Iraq.....something but it struck me he has 2 defend it cuz no one believes anything that passes his thin, sickly lips.

[nomes]

98. So true, and so sad.

How quickly we lost our respectability in the world. Can it even be recovered at this point?

[Silvermint]

212. Credibility

Sure, if we mea culpa... and throwing Bush out of office and saying "we didn't really elect him the first time, either" is one hell of a mea culpa.

We can recover our credibility with our allies easily. Recovering credibility with our enemies will take changing our foreign policy, and our geocentric foreign policy blunders, sadly, started long before Bush first started squatting at the White House.

[Kierkegaard]

23. First of all, how pitiful to cheat and STILL get your guts stomped out

on national TV. Second, would anyone expect anything other than a ridiculous lie as foul as to call the obvious bulge a 'wrinkle?'

Who else here believes Smuggins could have had a satellite dish strapped to his empty skull and his campaign flunkies would have claimed it was a yarmulke?

[txindy]

52. ROFL! I don't know which I like more,

the name "Smuggins" or what follows it! :toast:

Personally, I think Junior's receiver got jammed, maybe deliberately, and he only caught some words here and there. God knows it would explain an awful lot about that bizarre performance in Coral Gables.

Smuggins! **snort** :hi:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

30. Tailor Who Made Suit Says It's a "pucker."

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/politics/2839025

Bush tailor denies rumor about suit

WASHINGTON - President Bush's tailor on Friday pooh-poohed an Internet conspiracy theory that a long, boxy bulge visible on President Bush's back between his shoulder blades during the first debate could have been some kind of prompting device. Georges de Paris, who made the suit Bush wore, said the bulge was nothing more than a pucker along the jacket's back seam, accentuated when the president crossed his arms and leaned forward on the lectern. But Salon.com writer David Lindorff suggested in an online article Friday that presidential adviser Karl Rove might have been feeding Bush answers through some electronic gizmo with an earpiece buried in his ear canal. Bush campaign manager Ken Mehlman called the theory "laughable."

(That's the whole article)

[Ready4Change]

39. That's what I thought, till I saw the pic.

.

[Katherine2]

48. There is no way

that is a pucker along the seam. And did the same tailor make both suits? And what's "regular guy" George Bush doing getting his suits handmade? Shouldn't he be buying them off the rack like all the other "regular guys"?

[OffWithTheirHeads]

68. My understanding is that the suits the Penis wears cost about

!15k a pop. When you spend that kind of money for a suit, it don't pucker, not even on a pecker.

[venus]

111. His suits do look impeccable.

But this would be the story of the decade. It really makes me ashamed that Bush would do this. I know I know I find myself saying this day after day, but if we can prove he wore an ear piece, he really IS toast. No kidding. I'm sure everyone was screened backward and forward before being permitted to enter the debate hall, so why would he need a bullet proof vest. Let's keep kicking this story.

[UpInArms]

117. $15,000 for a suit! minimum wage pays $10,700 a year!

$5.15 per hour - 2080 hours for 40 hour workweek and 52 weeks in a year - cannot buy one suit.

Wasn't there an uproar about the cost of Clinton haircut for $200?

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:SILJ7TR-jhgJ:abcnews.go.com/onair/nightline/clintonyears/clinton/anecdotes/2.html+bill+clinton+%24200+haircut&hl=en

For $200.

As if the president paid $200 for his haircut. But yes, he charges $200 a haircut and probably more. You know, he is my friend, Christophe, so I defend him; but then when it was married to this notion that air traffic was delayed and here was this, you know, populist "putting-people-first" president, you know, just basking in the perks of his new power sitting on the runway, you know, air travelers be damned. This is the story that kind of got out there and by the time I realized that this was a serious problem, it was off to the races. And that thing dominated, the news for at least three days.

I think it led ABC's broadcast on sort of day two. Because it becomes such a symbolic thing. You know, and you have to be careful of these things that become metaphors. I think George Bush not knowing how a grocery store scanner worked, which people absolutely not true, but that became a metaphor for an out-of-touch president and Bill Clinton sitting on Air Force One getting his hair cut while people around the country cooled their heels and waited for him, became a metaphor for a populist president who had gotten drunk with the perks of his own power and was sort of not sensitive to what people wanted.

And, you know, what? It took him years to overcome that because when I left the White House and for years I would travel around and go, "How many of you know the president got his hair cut on Air Force One?" Every person in the audience would always raise their hand. And how many people know that it's really not true, the way the story was reported? And… I think perceptions of him have changed so much he's finally gotten past that. But it took years for people to get past that.

What in the world is going on here?

$15,000 for a suit?

[nomes]

99. A rectangular pucker?

I don't think so. They've replaced Bush with an anamatronic replica. They knew no one would notice.

[txindy]

151. **guffaw!** That could have happened!

As you said, who would really notice? ;)

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Iceburg]

104. bu$h's personal "taler" spins more yarn - sews another potential law suit

[A-Schwarzenegger]

105. Could it of been an extra pair of underpants?

You know when you're getting dressed and you're
changing underpants and somehow your old underpants
get tangled up in your fresh clothes and then you're
walking around and you got a bump in your clothes and
you reach in and pull it out and it's your old dirty
underpants?

[Iceburg]

110. "It" ...."depends"

Leading scientists claim that "If its not an audio transceiver then its a rogue diaper"

[clover]

38. jokey responses are damning

the repubs could clear this all up with one direct answer to the question: what is that rectangular bulge? eskew said on MSNBC yesterday that it was "the president's backbone" and olbermann fell for it, chuckling and ending the line of questioning. sure it could be a rove diversion, like the CBS memo brouhaha, but the arrogance of their responses are demeaning to the press--although i doubt the american press cares much anymore, as long as they can hold their places in bed with these fascist moneymen--as well as demeaning to you and to me. their flippant, diversionary, elitist jokes in response to our concerns are just as big of a story to me, at least, as is the possibility that the president is a devil doll wired for sound.

[Lorien]

40. Kerry should "joke" prior to the next debate

that he'll gladly submit to a wire inspection.}(

[nomes]

100. well put

Orwell warned us, and now it is almost totally upon us. How quickly societies can change. I remember talking to people about how suddenly the Cultural Revolution enveloped China...

[RaRa]

42. 2 q's: how do I kick this story elsewhere and where's the wire in his ear?

From the photos I've seen here, I would expect to see something in *'s neck/ear. Has anyone seen it? or is there none?

[Ready4Change]

43. Wireless (radio) earphone.

There've been links to websites with such devices, including costs. The device on his back would be the transmitter that sends signals to the earpiece.

[nomes]

101. We really should put even more pressure...

...on the media about this. The people need some kind of capital control over the news. Or at least a reality check.

[Ripley]

51. Your hatred of him has rendered you mad.

No proof. No evidence. No witness.

A photo that could be a crease in the jacket because he is slouching.

I hate this man for many reasons, but this is a dumb wasted-time goose chase.

[clover]

56. who?

who is the "you" you are addressing? salon mag, the international press, posters to this forum? the real issue here is the refusal of bush's folks to respond directly, succinctly, and respectfully to what may well be a non-issue, or what may well be a defining issue of this election. if kerry's alleged manicure, crib notes, man-tan, and botox is fair game for the mainstream press, why is this question being largely ignored, when a simple answer could make it all disappear?

[Ripley]

58. You and anyone else who believes this shit.

Give me a break. You really think he's wearing the wire shown in the pic upstream? That is the most crude photoshop ever.

[clover]

60. whoa

sorry for tripping your trigger. i sincerely hope you are right. i guess we'll all know one way or another one day or another. no matter what the truth, are you comfortable with such a basic question being sidestepped by the folks in charge of our nation? wouldn't a compassionate conservative work to allay citizens' concerns,shit or not?

[Lorien]

61. Not even the Bush's aids called it a "crude photoshop"

neither did the WP, Salon, NYT, or the Guardian.

[clover]

67. i would sleep better

if this whole thing were explained away by anyone at all. who in their right mind would welcome the idea that our president is the sort of man who would agree to be wired for assistance? i pray it is a security device, a cardiac appliance, anything at all that would not suggest that bush is a bought man who would submit to voicing the words of others, no matter who they are, no matter what their agenda. this is NOT a political matter; it is a matter of integrity, and we deserve a direct answer, not a series of lame jokes.

[MADem]

155. Whoa, whoa, WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A HOLTER MONITOR!!!!!!!!! One of those ones that does a 24-48 hour monitoring of your heart....the size and shape are about right!!!!!!

Maybe this is why he is STALLING the phsyical...it's actually ongoing, and there's bad news ahead.

Either that, or it is a medical pump to give him measured doses of a drug which makes him appear normal, and when Kerry slapped him on the back, he hit the off switch, which is why weecowboy stumbled and bumbled his way through the first debate. At the second debate, they duct-taped it into the "on" position!!!

[Lorien]

200. A drug that could make him appear normal?

FDA should check into it; it's not doing it's job very well.

[jean]

204. Wait a minute! bush postponed his physical til after the election plus

the debate rules specify each candidate's physician will be on call out in the hall during each debate.

Additionally, bush has a very low heart rate? Da - dum . . . . . . . da - dum. No, seriously - he has an unusually low heart rate - beats per minute.

If it is a holter monitor maybe they're scared his heart will do a flip flop and want to see it coming.

[Silvermint]

215. Bush's resting heart rate

is 40 beats a minute. We've known that ever since the whole choking on a pretzel / passing out incident.

Medically speaking, btw, any lower than 40 beats a minute and your heart will start to fibrillate.

[MarkTwain]

63. Then, please, please explain...

... that the same bulge appears and has been confirmed on both video feeds - directly - without any graphic conversion or manipulation. In other words, raw feeds. And, from the CSPAN feeds, no less.

[nomes]

102. And what about the new AP Photo from 10/8?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/041009/480/pd13510090242

Bulge version 2.0.

And it's not a waste of time. Asking questions like this is never a waste of time. If we continue to be apathetic our democracy will finally crumble into nothing. Frankly, it's probably too late already.

[wackywill]

239. Wrong about the photoshop

it was in the LIVE broadcast!

[Ripley]

244. See post 243.

I agree with your earlier post...possible vest makes more sense.

[July]

107. Thank you.

Now that absolutely anything can be discussed for weeks by the "press," as you point out, why not raise questions on Bush?

[KoKo]

64. Are you serious? We all saw the photo. Keith Olberman had it on his

show and it more defined in Olberman's video than even the pix posted on DU which showed a rectangular shape. There's NO WAY that was a wrinkle in his suit. There is something there and it's no :tinfoilhat:

[clover]

69. and olberman

got blown off by eskew, accepted being blown off by eskew, who said it was the president's "backbone," a direct slap in the face of the electorate,and olberman backed down: why? if there is no story here, why the dodge? this could all be put to rest in the blink of an eye. . .

[Occulus]

77. Every jacket I have ever worn

does not do that. This goes for tuxes as well.

It's a BAD thing for a jacket to do this. It means it doesn't fit quite right. At the price he's paying for them... they fit right.

There was something there, same as I can tell when someone has a cellphone in their pocket, or a wallet.

You just know by seeing it that there's something under there. It's a recognisable hidden shape, one we see every day, all the time, on multiple people per day.

It's so obvious, I'm wondering why you're questioning it.

[Ripley]

125. Okay.

I hadn't looked at all the links. It appears to be something.

But I have seen these excited threads many times here where people say "This is it! We've got him now!" in regards to Plame, Abu Graib, and a million other crimes.

I am impressed this has gotten into the NYT and WP. Maybe we can look forward to it being an issue on TV this week.

One question: why didn't Kerry notice this when he was standing in the room with him both times? You'd think he would respond now that it's in the media.

[txindy]

150. Why should the Senator respond?

Let it all work out on its own. Besides, if I was debating Junior three times and I knew about his wire trick, I'd wait until the third debate was over before I'd do or say a word about it. Most especially if I've been wiping the floor with him during those debates. It looks even worse if he had help and I STILL destroyed him, don't you think? ;)

[GingerSnaps]

159. Yes

He should wait until after the 3rd debate and then ask Bush in front of the world about what he has under his shirt.

[AlFrankenFan]

55. No question about it: It's a goddamned wire

This is some serious shit...even my mom asked me if I had seen the bulge in the back of his jacket...someone who'd really know though is my aunt who's ex-FBI...I'll e-mail the video and pic to her and ask about it.

[nostalgicaboutmyfutr]

66. Let's pretend for a second it is true....

Do you really think that the receiver they would use would come from 'spyworld'?

How many years was the Stealth bomber/fighter under wraps before it became public? you will never find a photo of the unit he used...if in fact he used one...

But he has usedthem before hasn't he?

[clover]

70. the truth is

something was there. what was it? the only people who know are not saying. why not?

[solarspa]

74. Something even stranger

At the end of the first debate I clearly saw him take a small round object from the podium and put it in his pocket. He had a strange look on his face. The footage was on C-span--maybe it is up on their web site?

[txindy]

148. Yes, I agree with you

In fact, I agree with each point you make in every response of yours in this thread. I'm just too lazy to respond directly to each! ;)

Oh, and a big welcome to DU! :hi: :hi: :hi:

[SoCalDem]

73. They JAMMED the "other" electronic devices & cell phones

I posted this LAST week..and have reposted it in all the "bug" threads, because it explains WHY they "got away with it"..

I heard a reporter who was at the FIRST debate..he said that a few hours before the debate, ALL ELECTRONIC DEVICES QUIT WORKING.. cell phones, recorders, pagers, microphones, etc.. All the press had been using them just fine until * arrived, and then NADA...ZIP...

He also said that at the R convention he was quizzed about the "frequency" of his phone..He had never been asked that before..

All the reporters were in a separate room watching it on TV.. and the camera guys (Fox) had ORDERS to NOT SHOOT FOOTAGE FROM BEHIND.. It was not because * thought his butt would look big..

HE CHEATED......AND BADLY :)


SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Fri Oct-08-04 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #14

15. They JAMMED the "other" electronic devices & cell phones


and recording devices were NOT allowed..and the press was made to stay in a separate room watching it on TV..

Why all the cloak & dagger..Is he really that afraid of the press??? or.......????

[Lorien]

75. Fits perfectly with what a friend told me yesterday

about his son's drama class and their "remote prompters". They have just a couple for shows, but they completely jam all cell phone reception-sometimes in a fairly wide radius. Also explains all *'s long pauses (as long as his following sentences), and his odd "let me finish" statement in the first debate.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

189. Why isn't the press following up on that?

Do you know the reporter who spoke, personally?

I've been skeptical about this until your post and Jen6's reply. I think we shouldn't let up on this AT ALL...

[clover]

79. airport security

would anyone be allowed on an airplane with an obvious bulge like that, without being frisked, without providing a convincing explanation?

[daleo]

83. The president would probably be allowed on Air Force One

No questions asked. Me and you on a regular flight, that's another thing altogether.

[Zerex71]

81. Glad to see The Dope gets one

while an undeserving soldier in the field doesn't get one.

Mike

[SoCalDem]

85. Google: wired+bush+debate... 139,000 listed...

SURVEY SAYSSSSSSSSSS:


TOAST

[Lorien]

87. It's certainly making the rounds

October 08, 2004

Was Bush Wired for Sound?

A week after bloggers accused John Kerry of cheating for bringing a black pen into the debate, new questions have emerged regarding a screen shot taken of Bush during last week's debate. Despite an agreement banning filming candidates from behind, Fox News, the camera pool operator, broke the agreement. In the 23rd minute of the debate, a shot of George Bush from behind revealed a mysterious bulge in the middle of his back.
Buzz has been slowly generating about the "bulge" and Salon.com reported on the matter, consulting experts and shining a light on the conspiracy theory that Bush may have been wired in order to receive live advice throughout the course of the debate. The practice is common among news anchors looking for a flawless performance on live television.
Critics of Bush, especially bloggers, have suggested for sometime that Bush wears an earpiece during public events in order to assist him with his speeches.
To add weight to the matter, during a D-Day speech in France by Bush, television viewers reportedly heard a voice from a crossed frequency that was feeding lines to Bush during his speech and also during the question and answer period. Additionally, In one odd moment during the presidential debate, Bush, in response to. . . well. . . nothing, held up his hand and strongly stated, "let me finish," suggesting that there was someone else talking to him aside from the moderator as he still had plenty of time left to make his point.


http://www.washingtondispatch.com/spectrum/archives/000637.html


On edit: Google turned up a whole web site devoted to this topic! http://www.mysterybulge.com/

[Libby2]

88. The best thing Kerry could do is give

Furious George a big ole backslapping handshake like George tries to do to him.

We will have to watch this 3rd debate carefully.

[Carolab]

90. Whatever happens

after all this, how can it NOT come up? He'll joke around about it--by then, if it's true, they'll have found some other less conspicuous means to enable it...

[goclark]

91. This is thrilling because....

So many here at DU have been discussing this for weeks.
So many thought we were completely Tin in the head.
We just may be but a lot of other tin heads have joined us!


:bounce:
:bounce:
:bounce:

1. I have searched for a post at DU that showed a video of Bush making "hand signals" on his chin. It was crystal clear that he was giving a signal to someone in the audience. It was before the first debate with Kerry. I have searched for an hour, hope the poster reads this and let's me know.

2. As far as the Pucker, Georgie of Paris(the irony of that knocks me out) needs to be FIRED by Donald Trump if that is a "pucker."
He should never work again.

The only way that he would have said that is for "big bucks." There is no way that he will ever have another customer! Why would the tailor risk his career with such a lie? Why?

3. I am going crazy because I recall another time when Bush was giving an important speech in the WH. He walks down a long hall and arrives at the podium. Oh, would I love to have that video. It is crystal clear in that video that he is getting info from somebody somewhere! Why hasn't that complete video surfaced? Why?

4. I bet there is someone in France that has the original video of the D Day "Voice Malfunction." That is what we need, the entire D Day Presentation. There must be someone that was in the CNN studio with Reporter King that understands what was happening to make King start blinking and just melt down.

5. The answers from the WH are LIES! They are desperate at this stage. Even their Media Whores don't have their talking points. They should be batting this down like flies and they are wimping out.

Inquiring minds want to know the TRUTH before the next debate.

[DemBones DemBones]

94. Notice how the WH crew mocks questions as being

"about little green men on the grassy knoll"? They got that from the guy at the Carlyle Group who said Cynthia McKinney was "running for president of the Grassy Knoll Society" when she questioned what really happened on 911.

Someday, they'll learn not to mock members of the public or Congresspersons who are asking questions. This is OUR country!

[nomes]

95. Contact the media about the bulge

http://www.mediawhoresonline.com/contactinfo.htm

That's a pretty complete list of media contact info, pick a couple, make some phone calls, send some emails. Maybe they'll do more stories? One can dream.

[muriel_volestrangler]

103. It's an emergency pretzel dislodger

Just hit him on that point, and anything jammed in his windpipe will get ejected from his mouth.

Didn't they have one on the Bush aviator doll?

[starroute]

106. Bush's answer on the environment struck me as likely piped in

On one hand, he was suddenly reeling off a lot of names and numbers with great speed in a very un-Bushish way. On the other, there were long pauses where he fumbled for a word and places where he seemed to be leaving out or mangling part of what was being fed to him. I've put the phrases I think came over the earpiece in boldface -- the pauses and stammers and mangled syntax and awkward rephrasings and words he didn't quite catch and had to make up on the spot are all Bush's. (No doubt a re-listen to the audio would clarify this further.)

HUBB: Mr. President, how would you rate yourself as an environmentalist? What specifically has your administration done to improve the condition of our nation's air and water supply?

BUSH: Off-road diesel engines -- we have reached an agreement to reduce pollution from off-road diesel engines by 90 percent. I've got a plan to increase the wetlands by 3 million. We've got an aggressive brown field program to refurbish inner-city {long pause} sore spots to useful pieces of property. I proposed to the United States Congress a Clear Skies Initiative to reduce sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide and mercury by 70 percent. I have -- was fought for a very strong title in the farm bill for the conservation reserve program to set aside millions of acres of land to help improve wildlife and the habitat.

We proposed and passed a healthy forest bill which was essential to working with -- particularly in Western states -- to make sure that our forests were protected. What happens in those forests, because of lousy federal policy, is they grow to be -- they are not -- they're not harvested. They're not taken care of. And as a result, they're like tinderboxes. And over the last summers I've flown over there. And so, this is a reasonable policy to protect old stands of trees and at the same time make sure our forests aren't vulnerable to the forest fires that have destroyed acres after acres in the West.

We've got a good, common-sense policy.

Now, I'm going to tell you what I really think is going to happen over time is technology is going to change the way we live for the good for the environment. That's why I proposed a hydrogen automobile -- hydrogen-generated automobile. We're spending $1 billion to come up with the technologies to do that. That's why I'm a big proponent of clean coal technology, to make sure we can use coal but in a clean way.

I guess you'd say I'm a good steward of the land.

The quality of the air's cleaner since I've been the president. Fewer water complaints since I've been the president. More land being restored since I've been the president.

Thank you for your question.

[Disturbed]

113. Steward of the Land

He has been the lousiest in history. He has to be fired on that alone. Kerry needs to use that phrase and hammer on the Bush failures.

[nolabels]

114. If them are the actual words he spoke, I would say yea that's what's......

going on. Too many ideas broken up with no syntax that have been strung together put in third person. Even crazy people don't have that many things going on in their head at the same time.

No wonder he never had too many press conferences

[nomes]

167. Reading that it seems really obvious

I remember thinking that it sounded like he had just memorized a list of evironmental key words. But you can almost hear someone on the otherside of his ear peice saying "off road diesel engines."

**shocked**

It's so obvious! How could they think they wouldn't be caught??

[GoddessOfGuinness]

192. "refurbish inner-city sore spots to useful pieces of property"

That little phrase irritated the hell outta me regardless of the pause, because deep down, I know it means that he's got a plan to raze low-income inner-city neighborhoods and turn them into office buildings and housing for wealthy people.

Prick.

[Mike Niendorff]

112. simple explanation:

It's just the plate where the puppet-strings attach.


MDN

[maxrandb]

118. It's a device like Kathy Rigby wore for Peter Pan

That way, at the end * could stretch out his arms and be lifted into heaven. All an attempt to shore up the fundy vote. My guess is the winch malfunctioned.

[nomes]

168. haha

Nice. :)

[GingerSnaps]

120. You have to read this part of the article

( The funny thing about these kinds of system is that mischief makers can set up a transmitter thousands of feet away and feed persons bogus data, and really cause them to screw up their public appearances.)

Where is the next debate going to be held at? Wouldn't it be funny if a bunch of people could cut into the frequency and mess with Bush's head to the point that he goes hysterical on the stage and had a temper meltdown LOL.

[Silvermint]

126. It's starting to hit the mainstream media

Denials so far, of course, but the interesting thing is that both of the articles below mention that Bush's staff deny that he was wired OR that he was wearing body armor. If that's the case, then they have to prove that it was simply a "wardrobe malfunction", heh.

Now, if it really was just a wrinkle, then there's no problem, but if there was something there that wasn't supposed to be there, then why didn't they just say it was body armor? That would have made the speculation go away. Non-answers are always, categorically, more suspicious than answers.

I apologize if somebody else already reported these links.

Mystery Bulge, BBC Article

Mystery Bulge, CNN Article

[goforit]

121. Like the Manchurian Canidate, Sweet nothings from mommy Bush?

LOL!!!

[LisaL]

122. I am just a puppet on the string.

[mia]

135. we knew it all along

During the first debate it was evident that Bush was trying to obey the puppet master by repeating the talking points. During the Townhall Debate he lept and charged around the stage with his booming voice and fast talkin' to prove it wasn't so.

What's next?

[Q]

127. We've seen in the past that Bush* can't put a sentence together...

...in an impromptu fashion. He freezes up and starts to ramble. I believe it's quite plausible that Bush* was being fed key words to keep him from losing his train of thought.

[LisaL]

132. Train of what thought?

If he is wired, that ain't just key words they are going to feed him.
I am also pretty sure nobody would search him before he gets on stage.
How are you going to search the "president" to make sure he is not wired?

[lovuian]

130. Oh this is So obvious its not funny

Go salon Go

:bounce:

[Lorien]

133. Before the mystery bulge there was the baboon butt:

An AFP photo taken in July at a press event at a Michigan airport, where Bush spoke about six judicial nominees.The debate images are from the Fox video pool feed.



From www.isbushwired.com

[mia]

136. Sticking up for Kenny Boy?

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4805.shtml

[Lorien]

137. Yep-that was taken the same day!

that we could see his backside was again unscripted. Without strict rules that are followed, we all too often get a glipse of the man behind the curtain!

[truthbetold]

139. CALL HIM ON IT, JOHN!

This is what Kerry needs to do...
At the start of the next debate, give George a nice friendly handshake and a pat on the back. Hit that "wrinkle". :eyes:
After that, it's time for Kerry to look confused, back up, ask George what that was.
BAM, he's toast. He's done. COME ON KERRY, time to get him!

[factcheck]

144. Waste of time

1. Fit of jacket - a well fit jacket should not pucker terribly much. However, would the President's jackets not be tailored for bulletproof vests and therefore not fit nearly as well when worn without one? Notice the horizontal wrinkles at the top of the first debate photo. Or does he have vest and non-vest jackets? Maybe he grabbed the wrong one and is also wearing 2 different colored socks.

2. Technology - the receivers used these days (not even mentioning the completely inside the ear models) are about the size of a small cell phone; roughly 1.5" x 3". And why in the world would anyone place such a device in that particular location? And do you really think there is a 12" (or longer) antenna snaking up over his shoulder?

3. Changing votes - OK, anyone who would change their vote because of this is really riding the fence anyway. I would surmise that the ratio of voters who would look at all of this speculation and say: OMG! The President cheated! I am voting for Kerry now! as compared to those who would say: What a bunch of friggin' nutballs! I cannot vote for a candidate (Kerry) who has these types of people supporting him! would be in the neighborhood of 1:1 at best and could easily be more like 1:3.

So, isn't it interesting how much time and effort has gone into chasing down this latest hypothesis? Seems to keep a LOT of people from reading about, and discussing, pertinent facts.

[MADem]

160. Sorry, you are wrong

1. Fit of jacket--George des Paris has been fitting presidents since Johnson. He knows how to tailor around vests, he has been doing it for years. It is why Clinton always looked fine, and he always wore a vest. So that one just does not fly.

2. Technology--if it were a last minute exercise, because weecowboy did not study, they might not have used miniturized equipment. In their own venue, the receiver could be held by Andy Card or hidden in a White House podium, but in the debate venue, the only way to get it on stage would be to slap it on his back.

3. Changing votes--If this were demonstrated to be true, anyone who did NOT change their vote would be a goddamn idiot.

It would be very interesting if it were, as I postulated above, one of these handy dandy HOLTER MONITORS:



Used to measure heart function over a period of time when people are having anxiety attacks, irregular heartbeat, and whatnot, to rule out/in serious compromise of cardiac function. Might explain the delay in the physical exam....

[GingerSnaps]

164. Aw too bad

We are not going to give up on this issue!

[GingerSnaps]

163. Let's all email Kerry

He needs to turn it off in the middle of the debate and throw Bush completely off and ask him about what he is concealing under his clothes. He could say that Bush is so up on terrorism that he goes everywhere wired or something like that.

I believe Kerry turned it off the first night and it must have driven Bush nuts.

[chookie]

141. A question about the alleged receiver

I am wondering why between the shoulder blades would be an optimum placement for the device. Is that where they are usually worn? Wouldn't it be more discreet if it was placed near the waistband, or shoulder-holster style?

[nomes]

169. I would agree

It makes me think it is more likely a medical device -- I think it makes a lot of sense that A) they would try to hide that, and B) it also explains Bush dodging his medical exams.

I've heard some theories floating around on the dailykos that Bush is suffering from Presenial Dementia.

[Oreegone]

142. A PUCKER in the jacket??????????

All I can say is if I spent $15,000 on a suit the f*cker better not pucker.....Who ever heard of a square or rectangular pucker. Anybody who ever had sewing in junior high would know better.

[Babel_17]

143. Body armor flip-flop

I think there is a good chance for one.

"They" can claim that the those who denied Bush wore any body armor were either out of the loop for security reasons or instructed to deny that the president wore any for security reasons.

The president can later add that the secret service wanted to keep the whole matter hush-hush so he hadn't commented till now.

I further speculate that if the above turns out to be the case it will be spun that the secret service had reason to fear asasination and didn't want the terrorists to make the effort to get Teflon bullets/high caliber weapons and/or attempt a head shot.

Left hanging would be the implication of "You liberals just endangered the president, thanks." ..... shades of Valerie Plame to boot.


Another possibility is that they will claim the terror alert is/was at an undisclosed but unprecedented high level and the prez needs to be in constant contact. Much harder to sell but hard to complain about the prez wanting to be in touch and in control after the deserved grief we gave him after 911 (the classroom).

[MADem]

197. MAJOR DAMNED IF YOU DO,

DAMNED if you DON'T argument there. It is apparent that Kerry is not wearing armor--flat out OBVIOUS. He looks very, very lean and you can see the form of his scapulae through his perfectly cut suit. ERGO, if there WAS a threat of shots being fired, the SS should have provided EQUAL PROTECTION to a sitting senator who qualified for SS protection because of his status as a presidential candidate.

They've screwed themselves. Unless they can say Kerry was offered a vest and declined it (and why do I think THAT never happened?), they cannot now admit weecowboy departed from apparently his usual procedure and was wearing one. Otherwise it is as much as saying, "We expected someone might get shot, but we only protected weewee."

I go with the "wired" crowd, myself. Wired for Rovespeak, wired with a tens unit, wired with a holter monitor, wired with a medical pump, but WIRED nonetheless. Why should anything change? That guy spent all of his time in and after his Guard service wired up on something or other!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

145. If they got Bush "wired", they need to keep doing it, whatever it is they

are doing!

[mia]

149. Alas. It was only a pebble in Bush's ear

"while the President was riding his mountain bicycle last month in Texas, a pebble flew up and lodged itself in his ear, unknown to President Bush. Yesterday, it was determined that the pebble was still present, and was causing memory loss, an inability to deal with reality, aphasia and sustained rapid blinking."

more

[ElectroPrincess]

152. Let's hope that we get *good* right ear photos come Wednesday

I believe that the transmitter unit has been re-located to *'s waistband. Unfortunately, with his suit jacket tailored a little loose through the middle, we'll never enjoy another incriminating shot again.

Our only hope is to catch that *nearly* invisible ear piece.

Personally, I'm betting that Kerry may just say the right criticism to make * come unglued and melt down into a tantrum. Like the first debate, no amount of radical right-wing spin can justify our immature and arrogant President.

May our dear Lord (or higher power) help us vote in a *TRUE American* man of intelligence and conviction: John F. Kerry.

[mia]

154. Amen

O8)

[4_Legs_Good]

156. Come on! I watch Alias, so I *KNOW* that this story is rediculous...

Kerry could just have a pen that blocks the signal.

No wait, but seriously, the guy is the President of the United States and has the entire CIA at his disposal, and we're believing that he needs some massive transmitter deal that is visible as a big bulge in his jacket?

I have a hard time believing that he couldn't get some kinda tiny deal that wasn't even visible outside his ear canal.

Still, it's a good story to put the pressure on him for once.

david

[justjones]

161. I would think the Chimp camp would want as few entities involved....

with his wiring as possible, so the CIA wouldn't necessarily be involved, so they wouldn't have access to the most sophisticated wiring equipment like we see in the movies.

No, it looks like an amateur job, just like the Chimp's entire presidency.

[4_Legs_Good]

166. Heh heh heh heh heh

Good points!

Particularly about his presidency

:toast:

david

[nomes]

170. I don't think the CIA...

...would help him cheat. They are trying to bring him down at the moment. Also, the more people involved, the more likely the truth would leak -- so, you've got a small group of fools pulling this together. You know -- *argh* -- they're like a bunch of frat boys!

[peekaloo]

157. Debate #3 should be "casual day" for the candidates!

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[reprobate]

158. Here you go, JK. Do this and the fool will be uncovered.

Walk on stage, shake hands, then take your jacket off, sayin that with all the rumors about wireless coaching he is happy to show that his works are his alone. Then challenge the fool to do the same. That'll prove it one way or another.

If bush doesn't respond, he looses.

[TeeYiYi]

165. Arrange to have the thermostat turned way up . . .

. . . for the next debate. He'll pass out if he leaves his jacket on.

TYY

[MADem]

177. The temperature of the venue is

...established in the debate agreement, so that won't work.

[Radius]

222. You do understand a real transceiver

can be so smaller than a dime, one you can buy.

The intelligence community has them as small as a strand of human hair, or so is the rumor.

Ever hear of a cochlear implant? This is a big joke, a president would not wear a wire the size of VCR.

[On the Road]

247. That Makes Perfect Sense

but it still has to be established what Bush had under his jacket.

[nomes]

172. New Times Article

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-1303782,00.html

But what we really need is the American Press to take this seriously, and investigate.

[nomes]

176. More evidence, 2nd Debate Video Clip

members.cox.net/unmarked/002.wmv

Between seconds 4 and 5, when he messes with something in his jacket -- a black wire is visible...

*cries* -- what's going on?? I feel like I'm in an episode of Star Trek.

Can anyone get a frameshot?

[floda]

183. here are three frame shots

It looks like there is somthing right of his tie.Its hard to see. It's only visible in these frames. Maybe its cloth from the tie? Maybe not. It does not look black i.m.o.

[Jr_Samples]

190. HERE's the picture... ;)

:evilgrin:

[Gregorian]

195. That hump sure IS getting bigger.

Sorry, I started to photoshop his face onto it, but Quasi must not be defiled.

[Buck Rabbit]

196. ..

[jbw]

205. CNN's spin Sunday night

I have never thought CNN was as bad as some people say, and certainly not anywhere near the egregious spin of FoxNews, but last night's story on Headline News about the bulge was reprehensible! It started with the anchor saying "The White House is laughing off" the speculation. Then mentioned the photo circulating on the internet BUT SHOWED AN IMAGE FROM THE SECOND DEBATE (Sorry for the caps, I use them very rarely). It was obvious because Bush and Kerry were on opposite sides, there were no podiums, and you could see the well-lit audience on risers from the town hall setting behind Charlie Gibson, that night's moderator. And whatever may have been under his jacket then, it was not the small boxy thing from the first debate.

For anyone exposed to this story for the first time, it is clear they would come away agreeing with the WH that there is no suspicous bulge.

If anyone can get a copy of that clip, it should be sent to CNN's ombudsman.

[bullimiami]

206. the bush folk are flat caught LYING again

the pictures were doctored....

uhhhhhh

its a wrinkle in the suit

uhhhhhh



Whatever it is they want to cover it up and resorted to immediate LIES to do so.

[Sin]

208. Don't forget

It was the pictures were doctored

then they said it was his backbone

then it was a wrinkle in the suit

which makes me shake my head and sigh even more.

[JoFerret]

207. Now there's an on-line poll

http://www.wftv.com/politics/3799123/detail.html

[Lorien]

214. Voted. Thanks!

[nolabels]

219. The standard 42% are voting no at this point

If you voted no there was not such a thing as darkness, would that mean you would never be in the dark?



I just heard that clip of the fraud on the radio and can say with certainty that them are words not coming out that dudes head

[nomes]

229. Another Poll

http://www.nbc13.com/politics/3799123/detail.html

[JPace]

213. Kerry should offer to help squelch the gossip by

"offering" that both he and furious george
submit to an ear exam by a physician before
the debate......then if furious george
refuses the story will just get bigger.

[txindy]

218. Ooo, I like that idea!

How about right there on stage just as the debate begins? The Senator could ask on-camera. ROFL!! What could Junior possibly say to that? :toast:

[Radius]

217. Joke

The smallest transceivers are tiny. These are publicly available video units. There are audio transceivers that resemble human hair.

The really small ones can fit in your inner ear and are invisible.

http://www.spystuff.com/SHOP/index.html

This doesn't pass the sniff test, IMHO.

[JoFerret]

220. Agreed. however,

a plausible explanation would help. Meanwhile, it seems like a large majority of those polled in this highly uscientific survey feel that is is probable or possible.

http://www.wftv.com/politics/3799123/detail.html

What does that tell us? (not a lot probably.)

[Sterling]

223. I use wireless LAVs a lot.

The box is similiar to those and the function is about the same. While you can get smaller units they often do not offer the most secure or reliable signal. There is clearly something shaped like a LAV reciever taped to his back under his clothes. If the TV crew said they had a LAV on him then that would be the end of the story. Since that is not the case it seems to point to something they want to keep secret.

[Radius]

225. I'm sure NSA and CIA

Has secure receivers that are very small and can encrypt a signal. I have seen audio receivers smaller than a dime, cochlear implants are tiny.

A hearing aid that is invisible can receive a signal from a phone. You thing a device that can receive over distance is not in use by intelligence community.

If he was going to wire up, I think he would do a professional job.

JMHO.

[txindy]

226. Maybe, but the CIA isn't exactly Junior's friend right now, are they?

Does KKKarl want another sudden leak to the press coming out of that agency? Doubt it.

[nomes]

227. probably set up by his frat boy cronies

... and perhaps it was decided at the last minute? As was pointed out, for something like this, so big it could decide the election, they would not want more than the closest few people knowing. Even a true Bush supporter would be tempted to cash in on a story as big as this one.

[bear425]

221. See post 158

That's what I think should be done before the 3rd debate, too.

[Javaman]

232. Moron is really a...

Automatomotanamatonmotron

King of the Hill

[clover]

234. another perspective

http://www.rense.com/general58/w.htm

Bush Interpreter Says
W Uses An Earpiece
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/
10-11-4
 
"Having worked directly with President Bush twice since then, and having additionally talked with many of my fellow interpreters who have worked directly with him, I am now certain that he could not have had that much knowledge of Indonesia. He doesn't even read the daily newspaper to keep up with what's being reported in the press. I am convinced that he must have been using some sort of earpiece through which someone was telling him what to say. . . . I just wanted to confirm my own strong belief that President Bush is often fed what he is supposed to say at important events."
 
 
Fred Burks has acted as an interpreter for George W. Bush. (Note: "translation" is written, "interpretation" is oral.) Burks wrote the following letter to Bob Fertik of Democrats.com, who avers that he has verified that Burks did indeed hold down that job:
 
As a deep insider myself, I have independent confirmation of President Bush using an earpiece to assist him in communicating intelligently with others. I've worked as a contract Indonesian language interpreter with the US State Department for over 18 years. I first started interpreting at the presidential level in 1995 at a White House meeting for President Clinton and President Suharto of Indonesia with their top advisors. You can read a short story of the many small miracles that led me to interpret for presidents at www.gcforall.org/inspirations (scroll down to Issue #1, where it is the second story).
 
On September 19, 2001, just eight days after 9/11, I was in the White House interpreting for an important 90-minute meeting between President Bush and President Megawati Soekarnoputri of Indonesia. This meeting made national news on all the TV networks, as at the time, the administration wanted to show they were supportive of our Muslim friends. Indonesia has the largest population of Muslims in the world. Over 80% of Indonesia's 220 million people are Muslim.
 
This was my first time interpreting for Bush. The previous day, I had been given the 22 points Bush would be covering in this meeting in order to familiarize myself with the topics to be discussed. About half of these "talking points" had to do with terrorism, which was to be fully expected given what had just happened. The other points, however, involved many details of Indonesian politics which even I would have had a tough time addressing, let alone Bush, who I assumed had limited knowledge of Indonesia..
 
During those 90 minutes, President Bush not only covered all the points, he covered them quite well and without any notes! Not once during the entire meeting did he look at any notes or receive cues from anyone present in discussing the Indonesian political situation with depth and intelligence. I was astonished! "How could this be?" I asked myself. It was a huge surprise. I concluded either that Bush was much more intelligent than we had been led to believe, or that somehow someone was feeding answers to him through a hidden earpiece. At the time, I really didn't know which of these was true.
 
Having worked directly with President Bush twice since then, and having additionally talked with many of my fellow interpreters who have worked directly with him, I am now certain that he could not have had that much knowledge of Indonesia. He doesn't even read the daily newspaper to keep up with what's being reported in the press. I am convinced that he must have been using some sort of earpiece through which someone was telling him what to say.
 
Having interpreted for media guests touring large TV studios, I've seen how the news anchors all have hidden earphones, and how the news producers are feeding them all sorts of information even as they talk live on TV. "20 seconds to a commercial," "15 seconds of filler here," "wrap it up quick " etc... This is standard practice for live TV shows. The "let me finish" comment made by Bush in the debate was only confirmation of something I already knew.
 
I will also mention that a number of months ago a colleague of mine was in the room with President Bush and his advisors when Bush threw a full blown temper tantrum filled with foul language and all. He ranted and raved at his advisors for a number of minutes to the shock and dismay of my colleague who was standing unseen in the refreshment corner. When he finally finished blowing off steam, Bush turned towards the refreshment table only to see my colleague standing there. He instantly switched into his "good ol' boy" friendly demeanor and said, "Hey, how ya doin' buddy?"
 
Politics is not a pretty business. I have many stories from my experiences interpreting at international conferences and secret meetings attended only our leaders and their interpreters. I have seen a number of our world's leaders (not just Americans) acting like high school boys playing power games. But for now, I just wanted to confirm my own strong belief that President Bush is often fed what he is supposed to say at important events. Though he can truly be a friendly guy, I have not found him to be particularly bright or competent. To be fair, I must admit that I tend to be of a more liberal persuasion, but I thought you all would appreciate knowing some of what goes on behind the scenes. You take care and have a great day!
 
With best wishes,
Fred

[BUSHOUT]

235. THIS STUPID TOPIC SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM BREAKING NEWS.

There are more important things to pursue.

The majority of Americans aren't so stupid to believe a fu#$king BOX would be required IF bush were to be receiving transmissions.

I've seen rifle plates that look like that, and OF COURSE THEY WOULDN'T ADMIT HE'S GOT A VEST ON!!! How dumb do you have to be to think Bush&Co. would admit that he was plated up during the debate. sheesh.

I've seen pics of the latest in ear receiver technology which DOESN'T EVEN REQUIRE A RECEIVER BOX!!!

I just thank gawd the media has only been pointing at anonymous internet blogs and DUs name hasn't come up in relation to this stupidity. Yet.

How about putting effort into something worthwhile, like dealing with Sinclair and it's main advertisers...PepsiCo and YUM foods?? Contacting Sinclair affiliates and the FCC?

[clover]

236. reasons why this is not a stupid topic

1. stupid is a subjective term
2. the GOP says it's stupid
3. it speaks to the American standards of fair play and openness in government
4. this topic is all over the international press
5. it is fodder for those who believe our nation is asleep
6. smart patriots are able to multi-task, attending to many facets of a political campaign
7. other issues, for example, the Sinclair decision, are enjoying broad coverage in the American media
8. to state that this issue is too stupid to consider is, at its heart, a class issue, when the implications of the "bulge" would be stunning and shocking to all Americans, whether it speaks to the president's health and/or integrity
9. it has garnered over 230 responses in this forum, many of them compelling, some silly, but all with passion
10. the Democratic party has not addressed this issue, as of now
11. the GOP has chosen to redirect any serious inquiries with ancient jokes about elvis
12. there is no clear explanation of the "bulge" forthcoming from any quarters, save a tailor
13. were it scot peterson or martha stewart wired under questioning, it would be all over the news, not here on DU
14. i expect my President to be a man or a woman of at least elementary moral character, taking pride in his or her own thoughts,speech, and record
15. keeping in mind the apparently higher educational standards implicit in the No Child Left Behind initiative, a high school debating student would fail if and when he or she were caught cheating, and rightly so
16. if we accept that our President is to be a moral leader, in what context is evasion of a simple question:
"what is that on your back?"
considered morally acceptable
17. unless, i suppose, the device is medical or security-related; then, why is the President's health and safety being compromised for the sake of a debate?

[pffarrell]

240. Story made the Times (London) yesterday and evening news in UK

for whatever that's worth

[Peachtree]

241. Bush wired during debate

Here is a site that explains the device Bush used. Apparently this "receive cue" has been sent to the White House.

http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1131.htm#002

[Mari333]

242. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[Supersedeas]

245. Doctored...no?...Wrinkled...really?....Protective vest?...ah, no?

Sounds like they are attempting to hide something to me.
You?

[ocean girl]

246. Kick for the morning - any more news on this story?