Y'all are just fucking crazy if you believe a civil war will take place,..

[Just Me]

,...in the USA.

Sorry, 'tis true.

There may be a revolt against the exploitative regime; but, ain't no way there will be a "civil war" in this country. If the wacko right-wing regime "wishes" some such stuff, they would be very disappointed and way WAY outnumbered.

Be real. Get the radical right-wing hope of a civil war in America out of your head.

Imagine something MORE REAL,...the American people opposing the neoconster-backed, BushCO regime. That's closer to reality.

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. It will be the right wing that will fire the first shots actually

here are several ways....

Lets assume for a second that they loose the house and the senate in '06... at that point they will loose all they have been working for in the last few... at least 30 years.

If they do, mark my words, yuo will hear the talk of a HOT civil war from right wing hate radio.

Moroever, those who study history will tell you EVERY civil war, aka hot one, is preceded by anywhere from five to ten years of a cold one... our cold civil war started in '96 with the impeachment, and things have gotten more and more divided.

I can also smell soemthing else, the disolution of the Union.

Oh and as to a Revolution, that my friend is the best case scenario, especially if it does not involve any shooting.

I am not counting on it, I am counting on bullets flying now

[Beam Me Up]

25. I think they already have. 9/11 as psychic driver that brought us here.

Moreover, they shaped our perception and understanding of the event and channelled our collective fear, grief and rage toward their own objectives.

We are all victims of an attack on our national psyche. "America Under Attack," the TV headlines blared. They led us to accept a war that we would not otherwise have accepted so readily.

They play dirty and they play for keeps. Can law and order be regained, or is it already too late for that?

[raysr]

2. I'll bet there were

those who said something like "Kent State" couldn't happen either.

[msongs]

3. the usa needs a real opposition party nt

[readmoreoften]

4. I'm not counting on a revolution.

I'm betting on a painful, balkanizing, sniping assault on liberals by conservatives until we retaliate. It will start with the media demonizing a fringe group ID'd with the left. Then the vigilantes will begin attacking any fella without a buzz cut. Then we'll defend ourselves and it will go on and on and on and on.

[Check12]

5. There already is a civil war in this country

The rich privileged class in America has declared and is fighting a class war on the poor and the middle class and it will get worse before it gets better. They are already waging a major battle in NOLA as I type this comment. There are wing-nuts saying we don't want poor black people to come back. Congress has come up a new term for draconian cuts to social programs calling them offsets. Gay and lesbian americans are seeing a new bigotry on the part of the christian right. It's not that far of a stretch to imagine the poor will get desperate enough to bear arms and defend their property against imminent domain developers who want to build new casinos.
Hell, they might even decide to take the french approach and bring back the guillotine. hey, it's retro!

[PowerToThePeople]

6. I have a long list

of people I would like to see in the guillotine.

[SnoopDog]

7. No one can predict the future...and stranger things have happened.

Oh, and it did already happen once in the USA...

[Lori Price CLG]

8. No, I'm looking forward to it, and I'm on the Left. I hope we fire...

the first shots.
I've had it w. this Nazi regime.

Lori Price
http://www.legitgov.org/index.html#breaking_news

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Lori it will be the right that fires the first actual shots

call it a gut feeling... it will not be us... but once that happens, hold on the ride will get real bad

[Erika]

9. Get Real

We'll have a new type of war called. No taxes or tax cuts until our country starts paying into our country's interests.

[HuskiesHowls]

11. What if we did throw a Revolution.....

And nobody came???

I often wonder if there is enough passion left in the American people for a revolution. I mean, after a long Sunday afternoon of NASCAR and NFL football, burning steaks on the grill and polishing off a few beers, where's the energy for fighting going to come from???

Where are the current day firebrands, the local leaders that could get people moving? I just don't know if there is the burning desire to force change. I think if there were, we'd see it done bloodlessly through the ballot box, and I just don't see it happening.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. your answer it is coming

it is the misery index and it is now just barely over 70% Oh and this is the magic number for ... riots...

If this reaches 90% + can you say revolution?

[Check12]

15. Exactly! The misery index will be rising very soon

Imagine the typical suburban tract home in orange county. The soccer mom has maxed out the visa trying to just survive and sits for three hours in a six mile long line to get gas. The supermarkets are running low on individually wrapped cheese slices and wonder bread. Her oldest son has been forced to fight in a war that was launched by China because we sold our souls to the axis of evil. A good percentage of our engineers and technicians are currently in asia helping in the mass production of apple ipods and will soon bring back the asian bird flu, and GWB uses the military to quarantine orange county.

My misery index just went up 3 points just writing this.

[greyl]

16. The current misery index is 70%?

Where did you hear that?
You are talking about the economic misery index, right?
If so, there's no way in hell it's at 70%.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. hard to calculate

but they gave us some good data six months ago where it was around 65. They don't give us enough data no more, but if it was, as some of us believe at 65... with all current happenings it is just crestng the 70%^ mark


And think of this, price of gas and winter...

[greyl]

26. No source? I think it's more like 14% . nt

70% would be after China stopped exporting to the USA and all the Walmarts close, then a terrorist strikes in Graceland.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Sorry you will not find an official source for this

and if it was at 14% the polls would be in favor of George at 90+ and everybody would be singing his hossanahs, this is a private calculation, they NO LONGER publish it, if they can avoid it.

[greyl]

30. Yes I will, and yes I did.

left here

We need to agree on what Misery Index we are referring to.
so, which one are you referring to that is at 70 percent?

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. I see I was refereing to the other number used

back in school with my Hx professors they used the 100 scale, since it was easier to handle, it is far less exact, but it is used by social scientistis mostly...

Usually when yuo have this scale, and at this time my memory is fuzzy, the conversion will give you another number, if my memory serives this will give you a 55 to 60% and given what is going on, the polls again should be higher for bush.

There is another problem you have there, and call my sneaky suspicion, The National Review on Line? you know what it is suposed to measure right?

[greyl]

32. c'mon, i'm not gullible.

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. I'm serious we used a 100 scale in school

history of economics did not use the standard form, but a 100 scale... and sorry a Friend of mine and I have been calculating it, based on the tidbits they release, and this data and what we have gotten does not jibe... call it dissonance...

[greyl]

34. Face up. You said "it is now just barely over 70% Oh and this

is the magic number for ... riots... " You made that up.

I'm gonna go ahead and call your 70% claim total bullshit - dissonance with the truth - so to speak.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. No I did not make it up

but yuo may what to think what you want... and yes I call this disonance, or are you telling me the economy is doing great?

By the way I can see why you are confused you are talking of the STANDARD one used by Carter: This includes the following

Inflation + Unemploymnet rate

The one we were using in school dealth with inflation, unemployment rate, and the confidence index, as well as comsumption... one of my profs used the ever so pupular intangibles such as cost of energy and basic basket... as well... but call it bullshit

[greyl]

36. Then what is your source? !

edit: Irresponsible posts that masquerade as authentic journalism suck.

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. I never CLAIMED a source we have been calculating it

and the basic basket is hard, since it is not taken into account in the inflation numbers as well as energy, blame my profesors and CALLL IT BULLSHIT

[greyl]

38. see ya nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. See ya too, so I guess the economy is doing great

and bush is great... sure...

By the way I will call the NRO table BULLSHIT for the unemployment Numbers don't reflect those who never apply for it, or who have left the rolls due to their time being expired, fair enough?

[LaPera]

13. You got it! It's like, people waiting for a draft to get them motivated...

Can you believe it?

It ain't gonna happen...

They are smarted than that...Keep the people from being hungry, as long as there's food, that is the key, we'll put up with almost everything else, fuck petro prices or anything else, history has proven that, it's food. So that's not going to happen.

To simply keeping us from revolting against them, is to keep us fed and continuing to pound away at our computer keyboards, (to get it all out, instead of screaming out in the streets). And demanding juctice.

WOW!

Revolutionary!!

(The Right-wing "Think Tanks" have done their job, effectively, unfortunately!)

[donheld]

14. You could be right, You could also be wrong

Only time will tell.

[Az]

17. Its not the left that is going to rebel

The left is tied to progressive society. We are adaptive and focused on being inclusive. Time ironically is on our side. We may hit some difficulties but in the grand scheme of things society will continue to progress.

The trouble is there are factions within our society that do not wish to progress. They believe with all their hearts that we are becoming increasingly corrupt. And they are becoming increasingly desperate and angry.

There are two ways this can go. The religious right can fail and lose their ground only to be eventually absorbed by progressive society. Or they finally rebel and bring about a second dark age in this nation. Throwing down democracy and replacing it with their theocracy. It is unlikely they will succeed. But that is where the pressure is building.

[Little-Jen]

19. I think it's possible without a single shot fired

I honestly wouldn't mind a peachful transition into two seperate countries: One Red, one Blue. We'll both be so much better off. They can have their ban on gay marriage and abortion, and we can have our progressive country without their interferance. The two countries can trade and live in peace. Seriously, I see no reason for anyone on the left or right to oppose this. Only the moderates will be against this, but they don't have a strong say in either party anyway.

[Greyhound]

24. That is so sweet, and so unlikely.

All the obvious reasons aside, that is just not people. Check the sig line. They are both the truth.

[Gyre]

20. Nationwide strikes seem like a decent plan.

Americans need more damn holidays anyways!

Gyre

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. Nov 2nd, theworldcannotwait.org or something like taht

national strike

[ellisonz]

22. Man,

North Dakota would kick the shit out of South Dakota. :headbang:

[wtmusic]

23. Yep, that's what they always say right before civil wars

'tis true.

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[nadinbrzezinski]

29. no, no civil war, not union, war, blue and the gray

that kind of civil war, enjoy your stay by teh way...

[depakid]

40. Give it 20 years

When petroleum depletion and economic collapse deprive people in certain parts of the country of energy and resources- they're going to want them from other parts of the country who have them.

I think disintegration of the United States is inevitable. There's simply too many divergent interests in the various regions of the country. If I were to guess, I'd say we'll start to see it unravell around about 2030.

[lateo]

41. I agree.

The media pumps so much sleeping gas into American homes at night people are oblivious to what is going on.