I think Clinton is being "Roved"...

[CoffeeCat]

First, Clinton speaks candidly about the poor job BushCo has done post-Katrina. He talks very openly about the foolishness of cutting taxes for the rich, during wartime and after a huge national disaster.

Then Clinton travels to the South to meet with hurricane survivors. He actually listens to them--without a script or an ominous church in the background. Clinton looked like a pResident should--doing all of the things that Junior can't--because he's too afraid, too insulated, too scripted.

In short, Clinton upstaged Junior. He made him look like the scared, impotent little toad that he is, by demonstrating how a real president acts.

Then what do we have a week later? A big-box story--nicely packaged--about Clinton getting the Saudis to donate money to his library. We even have a high-level witness in former FBI director Louis Freeh. The story is vociferously pushed by ALL of the right-wing pundits.

Next, who surfaces? Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broaddrick. And they're touring the Clinton Library? These women did not conjure up this publicity stunt on their own. This is another packaged stunt, that was shelved--as long as mouths remained shut. Clinton dared to speak the truth--and now he must pay.

Someone in charge of dirty tricks and blackmail, pulled the trigger.

I always knew that something like this was going on. It's how they keep people silent. I bet they have massive amounts of dirt on most high-level officials.

Thoughts, anyone?

[zalinda]

1. You're probably right. n/t

[cynatnite]

2. Nobody really cares...

It hasn't made much of a blip on the radar on the news channels. (I don't watch faux news so they may have done some screeching about it)

Thing is, Clinton is out of office. He's done his tenure as president and moved on. Most people really don't care and are probably tired of this constant rehashing of his presidency.

Just my two cents. :)

[paineinthearse]

9. I respectfully disagree, think TwoSparkles is dead nuts on

Clinton wields considerable power within the party, with fundraisers and with the American people. His voice in opposition could be a trememdous help in bringing bushco down.

Do you have a counter argument for "dirty tricks" TwoSparkles uses as examples?

Nominated.

[cynatnite]

13. My counter argument is that people don't care...

For the most part they don't. His presidency is done and over with. No changing it.

Clinton has said all he's going to say in regards to Bushco. The only other thing he will comment on is if indictments do come down. He commented on the clusterfuck of the Katrina aftermath.

In the end, Clinton will continue with what he's been doing. It's been five years since he's been office and it's over. The only ones who haven't moved on are those with an ax to grind and most people can see that.

[paineinthearse]

21. No changing it?

That is precisely the attitude that will preserve the status quo.

Every day I read posts about regular and prominent rethugs turning away from the dark side.

How can you maintain that position in light of evidence to the contrary?

I'm working my butt off real time converting the moderates, and sure many other DU'ers are, too.

[Cactus44]

18. .

I agree with cynatnite- nobody cares. I was wondering yesterday "Just who is this book aimed at audience-wise?" The number of people who care about Clinton is shrinking by the day. His presidency is ancient history to everybody outside of Freeperville, so who'd gonna buy it? This will be another one of those hacthet job flops that NewsMax gives away for free just to get rid of them.

Yeah, Clinton has some influence with Dem voters but they sure as won't read it. It only matters to the wingnuts and their opinions were formed years ago. This book changes nothing.

[whatever4]

3. All I can think

Is that this type of secretive government is exactly NOT what our founding fathers, if anyone still cares what they thought, had in mind. Politics that kill, it's what they hated most. It's why they never wanted to trust any government TOO much, it isn't government of the people at all when it gets too big, too greedy, and in the process, becomes unaccountable. A government that serves itself, to the detriment of all of us.

[bridgit]

4. sure = bill clinton, the republicans 'one size for all' diversion...

bought & paid for with taxpayer monies

[Tesla]

5. TOTALLY!!!

This whole EVIL group has been doing this for 30 years!!!!

Shrub is just their cocky front man.

Rove is known to be the one to HURT people.

Man, I wouldn't want to meet Peter at the Pearlies if I were him!!!!

[Christa]

7. He is being made to look bad

so that Bush can look good - they are so transparent.

[stepnw1f]

6. I know You Are Right

Why you might ask? Because on another discussion forum I go to often there are a ton of Clinton posts bashing him. Same stupid shit about scandals we have heard about in the past. Nothing new, just more dirt. By the way they write, I can tell they are poor smucks.

[bunkerbuster1]

8. Playing to the base

Used to be called "playing to the cheap seats."

I don't know what the Chimp Administration's base is these days--20%? 25%?--but folks like that need a steady diet of "Clinton got a blowjob...Clinton caused 9/11... Clinton wuzza Socialist..." to keep them loyal.

[H2O Man]

10. The rather cheesey charge

was made in a book that has been authored and published on a schedule that was set up long before the hurricane. The republican jackals are opportunists, for sure, but this wasn't shelved and brought out in response to Clinton's recent actions.

[Catrina]

17. That's true

but it's possible that Louis Freeh might be getting more media attention than he might have had Clinton remained quiet after the hurricane. Remember Kitty Kelly's book, she had so many of her television interviews cancelled.

I know the radical right, Rush ditto head types must be salivating over this, they lived for stories of Clinton for so long, but even those I know who are Republican, are for the most part, pretty immune to it, or even annoyed by it.

It will be fodder for Fox, Rush et al, but the rest of the country could care less, and Louis Freeh is such an unpleasant, obviously bitter individual, you are just autimatically turned off by him. As for those two women, all you could do is laugh. I guess the rove machine is still working, but not as effectively as back in the 'nineties. Too many people know about it now!!

Clinton should sue the whole lot of them, and drag the case on for years and years. Louis Freeh would not want to be under oath, I don't think. He's a pretty sick individual, imo, and probably was part of the whole conspiracy against Clinton.

I read that it was after Katrina that Clinton decided to speak out against the way Bush was handling things. I guess he just couldn't go along with it anymore ~

And Bush Sr. was whining about people 'playing the blame game' yesterday to Greta Van Sustern. He sounds just like his son, wanting to put it all behind us, as if those dead people could rise from the dead or something. They really can't take criticism, yet they do so much to bring it on themselves.

I wonder will we be seeing Clinton and Bush together anymore??? They are pretty vengeful.

[bridgit]

11. have you ever seen that piece of tape from when kathleen willey...

very first ever laid eyes on clinton?

he had just stepped off a plane at the airport, was working the roper line and there was little katie willey waiting her turn so patiently; when clinton got close, never seeing her just yet she gave him a look that a man would have been slapped for; she looked him up and then down and then back up again like a piece of candy. with a wanton gleam in her eye.

pull up the tape and see for yourself. there's every reason to conclude that little katie just didn't get her piece of the action...it is an unrequited love to put the best face on it imo and she needs to let it the fuck go; as do all the rest of them.

if g.w. bush were born into any other family he would be just another rube. and there's no way around that rove, or no rove...

[Mend]

12. I know I don't care what they say or do about Clinton

I know what a great president he is and nothing will change that. The old trick of pulling someone down to make another person look better doesn't work with me. It will be interesting if bushit's poll numbers go up after everybody reads freeh's book....after it is on the remainder table in a dusty corner.

[The Backlash Cometh]

14. What has Clinton come out and said about these allegations?

Unless he comes out and gives them a biting retort, we can do nothing but watch it as a spectator sport.

[Bridget Burke]

15. The Clinton Library trip is a book promotion.

The two pitiful females are being accompanied by Candice E Johnson, author of "Their Lives: The Women Targeted by the Clinton Machine"

www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0974670138/103-0206775-7168617?v=glance

Forty used copies are already available at a discount. The usual smarmy right wing reviews are already in place.

Of course, one should not post a review without reading the book. That would be WRONG!

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

16. I live in Arkansas

and the statewide paper, the mis-named right wing "Democrat"-Gazette hasn't had anything about this on their front pages. I only read the front page because I do it while at the bank making the daily business deposit, and the bank has it there for folks to read. No way would I spend money to get this rag.

[kwassa]

19. You are right, it is completely diversionary ..... great analysis

Louis Freeh belonged to the same superconservative Opus Dei congretation as Robert Hanssen, the now-infamous spy.

[PinkyisBlue]

20. Clinton is Roved

They have tried to "Rove" Clinton for 15 years now, and that big dog aint gonna die. They are threatened by him, and the more they attack him, the better he looks in comparison to the dismal failure in the White House right now. He's competent, smart and fair-minded, all the attributes people want to see in a president and all the traits that are lacking in the current occupant of the White House.

All they do is lie, lie and lie. I think most people are so tired of this administration and its attacks on people that threaten it (which is anyone who thinks independently and doesn't speak the RNC talking points). It shows their desperation that they're still attacking Clinton 5 years after his presidency is over. They need to get a life. (Oops, I guess they have one, but the next stop for them is the Big House).

In my mind Clinton will always be the one who puts the president in the word presidential.

[babydollhead]

22. anyone remember the thread ...

about the reporter who overheard kkkarl saying something like,"We'll fuck him...like he's never been fucked before..." Of whom was he speking?