Eli Manning: What a punk

[Sandpiper]

Eli sends Daddy Manning to San Diego to tell them that he wants to play for the Giants, not the Chargers.

Memo to Eli: In the NFL draft, the teams draft the players, not vice versa.

[Cush]

1. yup, just like Eric Lindros

[mouse7]

4. And Elway n/t

[reformed_military]

21. And Desmond Howard (?)

Who went to the CFL to avoid playing for a team that drafted him.

And JD Drew (Baseball) who just sat out and got re-drafted the next year by the Cards.

[LisaM]

42. Wrong, Desmond never played in the CFL

He was drafted by the Redskins and then they wouldn't play him. When he joined the team, they had won a Super Bowl and had Mark Rypien as their QB. I thought that combination would be deadly, instead, the Skins totally SQUANDERED all that talent.

[trumad]

2. Rivers is better anyway....

[fishnfla]

38. Oh yeah, he reminds me of Favre

[GOPisEvil]

3. Hey, it worked for John Elway...

[daa]

8. Wrong

Elway had a choice and said he would chose baseball over football. Baby Manning has no choice. I am very disappointed his old man would even go for him. Somehow that is not the Brady or Delhomme team spirit attitude.

[skippysmom]

5. The Chargers don't need him

They have so many other holes to fill -- like giving Brees someone to throw to, for example. Manning would be a waste.

[mouse7]

6. San Diego needs 2 first round caliber offensive linemen

Bad.

They have Tomlinson. They need to get the offensive linemen to block for Tomlinson, or they will lose Tomlinson.

San Diego will probably end up getting Mike Williams in the supplemental draft, too.

They should fill those three holes this year and pick up the QB next year.

[MallRat]

7. Manning wants NY Giants.

Sure, I would love to see San Diego trade down to get someone like Rivers or Roethlisberger.

That is, trade down with CLEVELAND. Then we'll see how happy Eli is, when he's in a BROWNS uniform.

-MR

[mouse7]

10. Yeah... football by the lake

That's a prospect to warm one's heart.

[Alpharetta]

9. Jared Lorenzen

I am not a Kentucky fan. In fact, I'm a Florida Gator. After 4 years of watching him QB the Wildcats, I am a huge Jared Lorenzen fan.

Nobody tackles him solo. He throws at the last minute. He is such a different QB than any other QB I've ever seen, it's fascinating to watch. He doesn't scramble like Mike Vick, it's more of a "shove somebody out of the way and move over a few yards to buy an extra 5 seconds".

Whatever team gets Jared Lorenzen, I will become a fan of that team and buy his rookie jersey (once I determine he won't be traded). Look out for the Hefty Lefty!

[PragMantisT]

12. Right On!

J.Lo took the 'Cats to too many overtimes for me to remember against my Hogs, and he never gave up. Screw Eli!

[Tempest]

11. If San Diego was smart, they would pick Manning

And then trade him to the Giants for a bunch of draft picks, money or players they need.

But then again, this is the Chargers we're talking about.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

15. 1 major problem

Now that NYG knows Manning wants to go to them, they won't give jack to the Chargers in return. They're better off trading the #1 to someone else, fucking over both Manning and the Giants, drafting Phillip Rivers or Ben Roethlisberger a little lower, and getting full value out of the #1 pick.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

13. Memo to any team drafting Eli Manning:

You will NEVER win a Super Bowl with him. That "pedigree" is only good during the regular season. The Mannings have absolutely ZERO leadership qualities, which is why they fold like a chair against teams that actually have playoff caliber defenses (read: NOT Denver or KC in 2003).

[MallRat]

16. Ahem...

"The Mannings have absolutely ZERO leadership qualities, which is why they fold like a chair against teams that actually have playoff caliber defenses (read: NOT Denver or KC in 2003)."

(clears throat, in an effort to draw attention)

:headbang:

-MR

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

17. <big smiles>

As a native of Millbury, Massachusetts, GO PATS!!! (Now new and improved with 3 picks in the first 2 rounds AND Corey Dillon!!)

[MallRat]

19. Latest Pats draft-day rumor...

This one came from Pete Prisco this morning. Sounds pretty wild to me.

First, NE trades its 32nd & 63rd overall picks to Miami, for the Dolphins 20th overall.

Then, NE trades its 20th & 21st picks to Washington, for the Redskins 5th overall.

Then, NE uses the #5 pick to grab either DeAngelo Hall (VA Tech, CB) or Sean Taylor (Miami, S), making Ty Law trade bait.

It just doesn't sound right to me: the Pats would be effectively trading both late 1st round picks and a late 2nd round pick to get a top 5 player. I wouldn't do it, but I've learned to trust Belichick and Pioli.

-MR

[Champ]

20. Yeah

I wouldn't do it, but I've learned to trust Belichick and Pioli.

I'm sure when he realeased Lawyer Milloy last year that was a real big head scratcher wasn't it? Well it looked like it paid off.

[reformed_military]

22. Deal

Then, NE trades its 20th & 21st picks to Washington, for the Redskins 5th overall.

Then, NE uses the #5 pick to grab either DeAngelo Hall (VA Tech, CB) or Sean Taylor (Miami, S), making Ty Law trade bait.

You send the 20th, 21st and Ty Law, and you can have Dan Snyder too.

[MallRat]

23. Thanks for the offer...

...but I'd like to keep Bob Kraft right where he is, thank you.

:)

-MR

[reformed_military]

25. Ok,,

21nd & 22nd for the 5th and Snyder?

Pleeeeeeze?

[MallRat]

26. Counteroffer.

We'll take your 5th pick overall and Daniel Snyder, in return for our 7th round pick and a gallon of Legal Sea Foods clam chowder.

:evilgrin:

-MR

[reformed_military]

29. Counter-Counter Offer

I got a Legal Seafood right outside my office building's door.

How about the 5th overall and Snider for your 7th overall and a 40 foot sailboat at Block Island for the Summer for me? :hi:

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

24. I hadn't heard that one

And I don't know if I like it either. Ty Law has been pissed for years and he still produces. Considering he's overpaid, we wouldn't get all that much in trade for him. I do like the idea of using the picks to move up, but I also like the idea of using the lower picks to bolster the offensive and defensive lines, as there are going to be some nice options available where they currently are (I also think this is the most likely scenario with Belicheck). I also think if they move up, they should snag one of these stud wide receivers that are out there. That's the one thing our offense is lacking right now.

[Champ]

18. Denver had the 4th best defense that year

And shut down Peyton Manning in their first meeting. But Denver just made too many mistakes in that game, like not touching Marvin Harrison when he was on the ground. They had alot of quick passes and caught Denver's corners off guard for just a split second but that was enough to take it to the house. Plus it didn't help that Denver has weak corners which is why they got Champ Bailey(one of the best shut down corners, he can do everything Ty Law did in the AFC Championship game against Indy) and also resigned Kelly Herndon who played solid and would learn alot from Champ Bailey this offseason and carry it over to the regular season. Larry Coyer is an excellent defensive cordinater and runs one of the best defensive schemes in the league. Despite the fact Denver went almost the entire season without John Mobley, Daryl Gardener, and Ian Gold throughout the whole season and still finished #4 overall in total defense says alot. Now Kansas City's defense is a different story. You need much more then a great quarterback to win a championship though, it doesn't matter who the quarterback is.

on edit: How could I forget, Denver also picked up all pro safety John Lynch for a good price. Duh! *smacks his head*

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

27. Denver was not good.

They gave up 71 points in their last 2 games and played 9 games against teams with a combined record of 47-97.

[Champ]

37. Huh?

Did you see the Green Bay game? They sat all their starters after the first quarter and it was close till the third or 4th quarter. The Broncos were 1 yard away from making it 10-17 but didn't convert with Danny Kanell behind center, then Ahman Green broke free for 98 yards and on the kickoff their backup return man fumbled and Green Bay took it for a touchdown viola it was 31-3. The Indy game, well they made too many mistakes they didn't make in the regular season. You seen the previous game where they shut down Peyton Manning, actually Denver was good. They almost beat New England with a third string quarterback and 7 other starters and 2 backups injured. They went the whole year with injuries which is why they sat out all their starters after the 1st or 2nd quarter of the Green Bay game and Sharpe, Smith, Plummer, and Portis didn't play a single snap.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

39. It's this simple

Teams Denver beat with a winning record: KC and Indianapolis. Their record against teams above .500 was 2-5, 2-6 if you count the post-season. They were not a good team. They were a decent team in a crap division with a weak schedule. Sorry to burst your bubble!

[Champ]

14. I agree

I don't want Eli Manning playing in the AFC West. :scared: But it doesn't seem like Eli sent his daddy unless you can prove that to me, it sounds like Archie just went on his own.

[Sandpiper]

31. Umm, yeah

He just went on his own.

[livetohike]

28. Imagine how this young man feels having his Dad run around and

interfere with his job prospects?

Seriously, what a shame.

[Commendatori]

30. I don't blame him that much

I wouldn't want to begin my career under MartyBall. If San Diego still had a coach like Don Coryell, then I'd definitely think Eli was an idiot.

[Sandpiper]

32. I don't think he's a punk because

He doesn't want to play for San Diego.

I think he's a punk because he thinks he can pick what team he goes to because he's a Manning.

[livetohike]

33. Agreed

but I think Marty will pick Rivers anyway.

[tjwash]

41. They're gonna trade the pick...

...for a late first or two, and some early seconds. That's why they cleaned house a couple of months ago. After the Leaf fiasco, they will NEVER blow the first pick on a QB.

[livetohike]

43. I'm sure you are right

That was horrible (Leaf).

[Commendatori]

35. To be honest, I've always had sort of a problem with the draft

I know you've got to have something in place for competitive balance, but when your reward for one of the best is going to one of the worst teams, I don't blame a kid for trying to escape it if he can.

I know a guy who turned down an offer of an NFL contract simply because he didn't want to play for the team that owned his rights. We're not talking Manning's recognition level or star power, but still I respected the hell out of him for doing that.

[KamaAina]

36. If a Manning can pick what team he plays for...

...whatever happened to Peyton?! Surely you're not suggesting he wanted to play for the vagabond team that abandoned Baltimore literally in the middle of night, are you? :grr:

The irony is that Elway's refusal to play for the Baltimore Colts went a long way to bringing them to that point. :(

[Mick Knox]

34. yep.. dont blame him at all- it should be called "martyrball" n/t

[MrSlayer]

40. Archie trying to live vicariously through his kids.

He was stuck on a shit team his whole career and now wants to try and get the ring through the sons. This attitude is disgusting. And who wants the stinkin Giants to have a real Quarterback? The Chargers should draft him, they need a QB bad. Drew Brees is looking like a bust.