Just bought and watched Bowling for Columbine

[T Roosevelt]

Definitely recommended - I can see why he won an Oscar. Some powerful segments in this one. And Moore has some cajones...

[Droopy]

1. I agree

What do you think about Moore's premise? About the trouble with our society is that we have a culture based on fear?

[stanwyck]

2. we're watching it now!

unbelievable! Michael Moore. A valuable man. And Charlton Heston...appearing in Littleton just 10 days after Columbine for the NRA. Waving the rifle above his head. Shouting out his macho talk. Pure evil. I teared up when the father whose son was killed during the Columbine siege spoke. Seeing that photo of his beautiful son really got to me. I wish every American would see thisl. Powerful.

[Toby109]

3. Same here

Brought tears to my eyes. We have let the power elite scare the shit out of us. And the use of racial prejudice to accompish that is f#cking despicable.

[delhurgo]

4. This may be an entertaining film, but its a biased piece of ...

propoganda that should never have been considered a "documentary."

One example:
The denver NRA metting was set years in advance of Columbine and could not be canceled. And Heston's speech with him "waving the rifle above his head" was actually given a year later in North Carolina.

This is just one of many examples of the way Moore misleads the viewer to make political points. He's admitted himself that he did this, that his movie was never meant to be taken seriously.

Go ahead and enjoy the film, just be aware of what you're watching - that your being manipulated.

More examples here: http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

[Paragon]

5. Bye-bye

Happy trails.

[Tinfoil]

6. Before you bid him farewell...

Go tramp through this thread in the dungeon.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=7049


The thread itself eventually falls apart and is put out of its misery, but there are many questions brought up about BFC that do not have a satisfying answer.


edited cuz i can't tell the difference 'tween his an is.

[Maple]

8. It's a 'docudrama'

Most of it documentary, some parts dramatized...it's a film after all!

It was making a point.

And asking questions.

Did it make you think?

[VermontDem2004]

15. I am not going to talk about your other points

because I have know knowledge to refute them, but the clip of him saying "Over my cold dead hands" may I have been shot in NC or it may not have. But how can you tell when he says that phrase many times, I remember he came to Tucson, Arizona shortly after a little girl was shot and he said that phrase too in Tucson.

[Terwilliger]

16. Hardylaw.net...the official (and only) BFC debunking site

also listed on Michael Moore's website

[anti_shrub]

21. HardyLaw is a known right wing site

Its whole argument boils down to "that mean ol' Moore made Heston look bad", so that should speak volumes.

[solinvictus]

7. Bowling

1) Yes, it is entertaining and sad to see the human misery caused by violent actions.
2) Moore has some issues with the truth that detract from his credibility. I don't discount him completely, but he should not creatively edit footage on a documentary and then assert it was an actual event.

[Maple]

9. Nothing done in the movie

changes the truth of what he filmed.

I don't know why after all these years, people used to tv and film have such a problem with simple editing technique!

You'd think by now we'd be more sophisticated than that...yet people still ask why nobody goes to the bathroom in films and books etc.

[Paragon]

10. What footage was "creativity edited"?

Example, please.

[Tinfoil]

11. check out delhurgo's link

It's a start..

[Maple]

12. Michael Moore

campaigned for Nader and the Greens.

Some people judge his movies by that, and not by his actual film work.

Either that, or they're clueless about editing.

[Paragon]

13. The editing, exactly

Heston is infamous for that "cold dead hand" image and it was included to make a point, not to document the event.

These morons seem to want C-SPAN, not a documentary. Even the most even-handed documentaries are edited and have a point of view in order to tell the story.

[Terwilliger]

19. most people judge him because they believe BFC attacks guns

and jeebus help you if you touch their di-, er, guns!

[Paragon]

14. I have

Talk about bias. Anyone who posts that as "evidence" needs to do some fact-checking of their own. Oh, it's on the internet, it must be right. :eyes:

[Terwilliger]

18. a start?

its a manufactured piece of tripe created by gunnies who think the movie is out to "get guns"

You people should find another hobby.

[Terwilliger]

17. specifics? (nevermind...I heard hardylaw)

[CanuckAmok]

20. It isn't possible to offer a completely unbiased documentary.

All documentaries are filmed to support a position. That's inherent in the nature of ducumentary film-making. Unless you are able to film and present EVERYTHING which is happening all the time, you are editing, and editing is impossible without eliminating footage.

Even a silent film about log-rollers will make a statement of opinion.