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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 07:28 PM
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Hi,
I'm interested in this statement by James Hatfield, author of the book on Bush Jr. called Fortune Son, in early July 2001:

"German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target."

"According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives."

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html

I'm trying to figure out where Hatfield got this evidence. I find the whole issue of Muslim fundamentalists linking up with neo-Nazi types very fascinating. I'm not there yet, but I think the below articles have at least something to do with it. Can anyone translate all of them, so I can add them to the 9/11 timeline? I don't really know what they say, but a German friend says they're relevant to the Hatfield quotes.

By the way, what IS Germany's largest newspaper? That might help narrow down the search for that part of the quote.



Giftgas und Aids-Blutbeutel

Italiens Geheimdienste lancieren Horrormeldungen, Medien malen grausige Szenarien: Genua wird zum G-8-Gipfel der wichtigsten Industrienationen am 20. Juli abgeriegelt. Demo-Zone ist vor der Stadt

Michael Braun
Die Tageszeitung
26. Juni 2001


ROM - G-8-Gipfel Genua: Versprengte, von ihren Einheiten abgetrennte Polizisten werden von vermummten Demonstranten als Geiseln genommen. Dann marschiert der schwarze Block auf die Polizeikette zu - und er treibt die uniformierten Geiseln als menschliche Schutzschilde vor sich her, während aus der zweiten Reihe Steine und Brandsätze fliegen.

Ein krudes Horrorszenario - ein Horrorszenario mit offiziellem Gütesiegel allerdings. Italiens Inlandsgeheimdienst Sisde verbreitete Ende letzter Woche die Warnung vor der angeblich anstehenden terroristischen Eskalation, geplant angeblich von den "tute bianche", der Bewegung der "Weißen Overalls", aus den autonomen Zentren des Veneto unter ihrem Anführer Luca Casarini.

Mit dieser Masche werden Italiens Zeitungsleser seit Wochen bei Laune gehalten. Mal wird aus "deutschen Geheimdienstquellen" die Meldung lanciert, Bin Laden werde Kleinstflugzeuge mit Giftgas zum Bombardement des Gipfels einsetzen, dann werden Demonstranten "erwartet", die statt Mollis mit Aids-Blut gefüllte Beutel im Gepäck haben sollen.

Ein Ziel ist damit auf jeden Fall erreicht. Die beispiellosen Sicherheitsmaßnahmen in und um Genua bekommen das Gütesiegel unverbrüchlicher Notwendigkeit. Während der Gipfeltage wird die "rote Zone" des Zentrums selbst für Genuesen zur verbotenen Stadt. Nur wer in der Innenstadt lebt oder arbeitet, erhält einen Passierschein. Ergänzt wird diese Maßnahme voraussichtlich durch die mehrtägige Totalsperrung der städtischen Bahnhöfe und des Hafens.

Draußen vor der Stadt darf demonstriert werden - auch die Regierung Berlusconi unterstreicht immer wieder ihre Dialogbereitschaft mit den friedlichen Protestierern. Drei Millionen Mark will der Staat zu deren Unterbringung in Schulen und auf Sportplätzen bereitstellen, und als Zückerchen für die Umwelt-, die Friedens-, die Dritte-Welt-Gruppen denkt das Außenministerium sogar über einen Vor-Gipfel nach, auf dem sich dann statt der Mächtigsten die Ärmsten der Welt treffen dürfen, möglichst unter Beteiligung Nelson Mandelas.

Doch der Dialog will nicht so recht in Gang kommen. Weiterhin nämlich besteht das Genua Social Forum - der Koordinationsrat der Protestfront - auf dem Demonstrationsrecht auch in der Stadt. Das sei schließlich in der Verfassung verbürgt, ohne jeden einschränkenden Zusatz wie "nicht während G-8-Gipfeln" und "nicht in Genua".


Copyright 2001



Nach Tumulten in Goeteborg Sorge um G8-Gipfel in Genua

by KR
Deutsche Presse-Agentur
Juni 17, 2001




Nach den schweren Tumulten beim EU-Gipfel in Goeteborg sieht die italienische Regierung mit Sorge dem G8- Gipfeltreffen Ende Juli in Genua entgegen. Ministerpraesident Silvio Berlusconi haelt Genua fuer eine "ungkueckliche Wahl".

Berlusconi kuendigte an, dass ueber die Entscheidung fuer Genua noch einmal gruendlich nachgedacht werden muesse. Das Parlament in Rom werde sich mit der Frage beschaeftigen. Eine Verschiebung sei nicht mehr ausgeschlossen, berichteten Zeitungen am Sonntag. Die Verantwortung fuer Genua trage aber die vorherige Mitte-Links-Regierung.

Am Gipfel der grossen Industriestaaten nehmen die Staats- und Regierungschefs aus den USA, Kanada, Japan, Grossbritannien, Frankreich, Italien und Deutschland und Russland teil. Die italienische Polizei fuerchtet schwerste Ausschreitungen.

Hinweise auf Krawall

Zeitungen hatten kurzlich berichtet, Demonstranten wollten Beutel mit Aids-infizierten Blut auf Gipfelteilnehmer werfen. Zudem sei geplant, dass kleine, ferngesteuerte Flugzeuge chemische und biologische Giftstoffe ueber dem Tagungsgebaeude abwerfen.

Derartige Hinweise soll insbesondere der deutsche Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND) gegeben haben. Der BND habe signalisiert, dass der mutmassliche saudische Terrorfinanzier Osama Bin Laden europaeische Neonazi- und Skinhead-Gruppen unterstuetze, damit diese Anschlaege in Genua ausfuehren.

Die Zeitung "La Repubblica" schrieb am Sonntag, angesichts dieser Drohungen prueften die Behoerden drei Alternativen: Den G8-Gipfel zeitlich zu verschieben, ihn an einem anderen Ort in den Bergen an der italienisch-schweizerischen Grenze abzuhalten oder Genua waehrend der Konferenztage (20.-22. Juli) fuer Reisende abzuriegeln.

Juengst hatten die Behoerden bereits beschlossen, aus Furcht vor Ausschreitungen die Vor-Konferenz der Aussenminister unmittelbar vor dem G8-Gipfel zu verlegen. Die Minister treffen sich jetzt nicht wie geplant in Portofino suedlich von Genua, sondern in Rom.


Copyright 2001
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 09:05 PM
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1. Arab Nationalism and Nazism are well known to each other
I find the whole issue of Muslim fundamentalists linking up with neo-Nazi types very fascinating.

The subject of Arab Nationalism and the Nazi is a subject I just started looking into. Hussein was very influenced by Hitler as are many Arabs to this day. His father revered Hitler. I realize Arab Nationalism and Muslim Fundamentalist are not necessarily the same thing but there is not a great distance between them. It would be very interesting to see how these relationship forged in the forty has morphed into any present neo-nazi and Arab interests.

http://www.hist.net/kieser/aghet/Essays/EssayWien.html


In mid 1940 the core group of pan-Arab nationalists in Iraq sent Amin al-Husaini’s private secretary Uthman Kamal Haddad as an emissary to Berlin in order to negotiate the resumption of diplomatic relations between Iraq and the Third Reich. Result of this first of several diplomatic contacts between the Axis powers and the Arab nationalists in Iraq during the war was a joint declaration of both Germany and Italy in favour of Arab nationalism.

Since the fall of France many Arab nationalists had been convinced that Germany was on her way to victory and thus was the right partner to combat British and French imperialism in the region. Especially in Iraq there was a group of nationalist politicians and army officers whose strength had been growing ever since a series of military coups had started in Iraq after 1936.

.....


However, there was an ambitious group among German diplomats who regarded the Arab East as their starting point of a career. An outstanding character in this framework was Fritz Grobba. Grobba is an example of a further triangular construction in the framework of Middle East diplomacy. The first and only German envoy to Iraq between 1932 and 1939 had a good reputation among Arab nationalists in Iraq following his personal efforts to exert influence on Iraqi politicians and to create sympathy for the Nazi regime. In the same time Grobba was a protagonist of a faction of Middle East specialists in the German Foreign Ministry. They favoured a strong commitment of Nazi-Germany for Arab nationalism. This group was opposed to a group of diplomats that had started their career in the oriental adventures of the German Reich during World War I. It appears that much of the controversy about Nazi-Germany’s political role in the Middle East and the commitment during wartime functioned along the lines of envy and personal dislike between diverging factions in the German foreign service. At the end of the day the Arab politicians fell victim to tactical moves and promises made in order to preserve personal influence.


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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:39 AM
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2. Germany's largest newspapers
Edited on Sun Jan-11-04 05:41 AM by gandalf
The daily newspaper with the highest circulation is "Bild", but it is a what we call boulevard, a thing like the british Sun. Not serious.

The biggest serious daily newspapers are the FAZ (Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung) and Süddeutsche Zeitung (SZ). The SZ has a slightly higher circulation than the FAZ.

The FAZ is more conservative, the SZ more liberal.

Then there is Die Welt, not so important.

Translation: At first I will finish the Stern article (part 1) until tomorrow, then I will see...
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 11:22 AM
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4. SZ
Hi gandalf,

you are correct about the SZ, I forgot to mention them in my message to Paul. But I think they had nothing to do with the BND info on the Genua summit, this is continuously referenced to the FAZ.

BTW you seem to be quicker than I am with my part of the translation :-) Will need a few more days myself.

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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:24 PM
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5. Translating
I found it rather tedious. It is so much stuff, and the hard content is so inflated to an unncessary lengthy article.
And I worked some time every evening last week; that won't be possible in the next time.
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 11:18 AM
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3. Germany's largest newspaper
is the "FAZ": Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. It is a supra-regional, conservative paper. The editorial headquarters are in Frankfurt, not in Berlin, where the more liberal "Tagesspiegel" would be the largest newspaper. (There are other papers with larger circulation, but that would be yellow press.)

Your quotes are from the "TAZ" aka: Tageszeitung (www.taz.de) - a paper founded in the late seventies/early eighties, by a loose group of "alternatives", people who at the time would have identified themselves as belonging to the "new social movements" but are long since well established (the current federal minister of the interior, Otto Schily, was among them) and sometimes mocked with the label "children's FAZ". The other quote is from the only German newswire dpa = Deutsche Presseagentur (owned and overseen by all major newspapers combined; attempts to be unbiased but this IMO translates into conservative leanings, they certainly have direct contacts to German intelligence).

Both quotes refer to a FAZ article which has been widely quoted and time and again been referred to. I was unable yet to locate it in the FAZ archive (slow connection, a rather tedious affair, and 75 cents per article: http://fazarchiv.faz.net/.


My translation of the relevant parts in the cited articles would be:

TAZ/Tageszeitung, June 26 >>... A crude horror scenario -- a crude horror scenario with an official seal of approval, though. By the end of last week, Italy's domestic secret service, Sisde, spread the news of an allegedly imminent terroristic escalation, said to be planned by "tute blanche", the movement of the "White Overalls", from autonomous centers around Venice (of the Veneto) lead by Luca Casarini.

In this fashion, Italy's newspaper readers are being entertained for weeks now. The news is planted "from German intelligence sources" that bin Laden would use small planes to bombard the summit with poison gas, it is anticipated that demonstrators will carry pouches with Aids-infected blood -- instead of molotov cocktails.

In any case, this serves to accomplish but one objective. The unprecedented security measures in and around Genoa are marked with a seal of approval in that they appear to be of absolute, rock-solid necessity. ...<<

---

dpa/Deutsche Presse-Agentur, June 17 >>Several newspapers were breaking the news lately that demonstrators are planning to throw Aids-infected blood at summit participants. In addition it is said that plans are being made to use small, remote-controlled aircraft to drop chemical and biological weapons at the summit building.

Such warnings are said to originate with the German intelligence service, Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND). The BND has hinted that the suspected terror financier, Osama bin Laden, would support European Neonazi- and Skinhead groups in order that they carry out attacks in
Genua.<<


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TAZ >>... Ein krudes Horrorszenario - ein Horrorszenario mit offiziellem Gütesiegel allerdings. Italiens Inlandsgeheimdienst Sisde verbreitete Ende letzter Woche die Warnung vor der angeblich anstehenden terroristischen Eskalation, geplant angeblich von den "tute bianche", der Bewegung der "Weißen Overalls", aus den autonomen Zentren des Veneto unter ihrem Anführer Luca Casarini.

Mit dieser Masche werden Italiens Zeitungsleser seit Wochen bei Laune gehalten. Mal wird aus "deutschen Geheimdienstquellen" die Meldung lanciert, Bin Laden werde Kleinstflugzeuge mit Giftgas zum Bombardement des Gipfels einsetzen, dann werden Demonstranten "erwartet", die statt Mollis mit Aids-Blut gefüllte Beutel im Gepäck haben sollen.

Ein Ziel ist damit auf jeden Fall erreicht. Die beispiellosen Sicherheitsmaßnahmen in und um Genua bekommen das Gütesiegel unverbrüchlicher Notwendigkeit. ...<<

---

dpa >>Zeitungen hatten kurzlich berichtet, Demonstranten wollten Beutel mit Aids-infizierten Blut auf Gipfelteilnehmer werfen. Zudem sei geplant, dass kleine, ferngesteuerte Flugzeuge chemische und biologische Giftstoffe ueber dem Tagungsgebaeude abwerfen.

Derartige Hinweise soll insbesondere der deutsche Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND) gegeben haben. Der BND habe signalisiert, dass der mutmassliche saudische Terrorfinanzier Osama Bin Laden europaeische Neonazi- und Skinhead-Gruppen unterstuetze, damit diese Anschlaege in Genua ausfuehren.<<


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