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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:38 PM
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"First...admit you are a victim...."
My wife just pointed me to this interesting analysis from Mel Gilles, an advocate for victims of domestic abuse, who draws some parallels between her work and the reaction of many Democrats to the election. It was posted at: http://mathewgross.com/blog/archives/001041.html

It's really not very safe here on DU these days to post much of anything related to the election. People are ready to pounce on each other for the slightest deviation from any number of "correct" interpretations of the outcome and prescriptions for the future. To use Gilles' analogy, the victims have taken to punching out each other. But I pass it along anyway....

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"Watch Dan Rather apologize for not getting his facts straight, humiliated before the eyes of America.... Observe Donna Brazille squirm as she is ridiculed by Bay Buchanan, and pronounced irrelevant and nearly non-existent. Listen as Donna and Nancy Pelosi and Senator Charles Schumer take to the airwaves saying that they have to go back to the drawing board and learn from their mistakes and try to be better, more likable, more appealing, have a stronger message, speak to morality. Watch them awkwardly quote the bible, trying to speak the new language of America. Surf the blogs, and read the comments of dismayed, discombobulated, confused individuals trying to figure out what they did wrong....
"And then ask anyone who has ever worked in a domestic violence shelter if they have heard this before.
"They will tell you, every single day.
"The answer is quite simple. They beat us because they are abusers. We can call it hate. We can call it fear. We can say it is unfair. But we are looped into the cycle of violence, and we need to start calling the dominating side what they are: abusive. And we need to recognize that we are the victims of verbal, mental, and even, in the case of Iraq, physical violence.
"As victims we can’t stop asking ourselves what we did wrong. We can’t seem to grasp that they will keep hitting us and beating us as long as we keep sticking around and asking ourselves what we are doing to deserve the beating.
"Listen to George Bush say that the will of God excuses his behavior. Listen, as he refuses to take responsibility, or express remorse, or even once, admit a mistake. Watch him strut, and tell us that he will only work with those who agree with him, and that each of us is only allowed one question..... See him surround himself with only those who pledge oaths of allegiance. Hear him tell us that if we will only listen and do as he says...all will go well for us (it won’t; we will never be worthy).
"And watch the Democratic Party leadership walk on eggshells, try to meet him, please him, wash the windows better, get out that spot, distance themselves from gays and civil rights.... Watch us squirm. Watch us descend into a world of crazy-making, where logic does not work and the other side tells us we are nuts when we rely on facts....
"How to break free? Again, the answer is quite simple.
"First, you must admit you are a victim. Then, you must declare the state of affairs unacceptable. Next, you must promise to protect yourself and everyone around you that is being victimized. You don’t do this by responding to their demands, or becoming more like them, or engaging in logical conversation, or trying to persuade them that you are right. You also don’t do this by going catatonic and resigned, by closing up your ears and eyes and covering your head and submitting to the blows, figuring its over faster and hurts less is you don’t resist and fight back. Instead, you walk away. You find other folks like yourself, 56 million of them, who are hurting, broken, and beating themselves up. You tell them what you’ve learned, and that you aren’t going to take it anymore. You stand tall, with 56 million people at your side and behind you, and you look right into the eyes of the abuser and you tell him to go to hell. Then you walk out the door, taking the kids and gays and minorities with you, and you start a new life. The new life is hard. But it’s better than the abuse....
"We have a mandate to be as radical and liberal and steadfast as we need to be....
"You must change only one thing: stop responding to the abuser. Don’t let him dictate the terms or frame the debate (he’ll win, not because he’s right, but because force works). Sure, we can build a better grassroots campaign, cultivate and raise up better leaders, reform the election system to make it failproof, stick to our message, learn from the strategy of the other side. But we absolutely must dispense with the notion that we are weak, godless, cowardly, disorganized, crazy, too liberal, naive, amoral, “loose”, irrelevant, outmoded, stupid and soon to be extinct....
"Even if you do everything right, they’ll hit you anyway....
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knowbody0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:42 PM
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1. america the battered wife
perfect analogy. i thought of it in august 2004, then heard al sharpton speak it.
i was the battered wife 29 years ago and let me tell you-when i broke free it was like thawing out and coming to life.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:45 PM
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2. "You don’t do this by responding to their demands..."
Unfortunately, few on DU will read this because they are too busy responding to repuke proposals on abortion, taxes, war, etc
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:47 PM
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6. stop hitting the other victims....
you have more in common with them than with the abusers.
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DoBotherMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:45 PM
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3. Not just us
but the 59 million "enablers" are abused too.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:47 PM
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8. yes, and she makes that point at the end of the essay (I cut it)...
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:46 PM
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4. excellent.
I shall commence forwarding this to every liberal I know.

Thanks.
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:46 PM
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5. I'm sorry. I do not feel that
I, as a progressive and Democrat, am a victim. I may have been beaten, but I will get up on my feet and fight back. Victimhood is for losers, and the fact that so many victim groups make their home in the Democratic Party, bringing a philosophy of victimhood into it, may be the reason that we keep losing, or even having it stolen.

We need to stop feeling so self-righteous and sorry for ourselves, and get out there and fight.

Flame me if you must.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:49 PM
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11. no flame required.... because I think the piece agrees with you....
being a victim just means you've been assaulted..... this essay is about responding to the assault.... that's where the negative "victimhood" issues arise. "Get out there and fight"? That's what she's saying.
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 02:24 PM
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17. I'm sorry, I disagree.
So many victims want someone to "help" them. but if they can't or won't help themselves, all the help in the world will do them no good. this may be a difference in interpretation, but I personlly think there is a lot of difference between the guy wanatng somebody else to make it right, and the guy who starts slugging back on his own.
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:47 PM
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7. Appeasement does not work! If only our elected Dems would realize that.
If only they would dig down and find the self-respect they used to have.

Good post!
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:52 PM
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12. If you back down in the face of Republican pressure, you
might as well just draw a big target on your ass. Bullies gravitate to perceived weakness like buzzards to a corpse.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:48 PM
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9. Wow, great post.
I had dinner this past Saturday night with friends (all of us in late 50's and early 60's)and your points and conclusions are exactly what we discussed. Thank you for putting font to screen.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:48 PM
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10. Read ait and learn nt
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:54 PM
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13. I feared that the Democratic Party
would roll over if they screwed this one. Perfect analogy. The verbal abuse has been unrelenting. It is time to embrace a party that embraces my ideals. I'm putting my energy 'n money on the Greens!
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:56 PM
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14. Great post, and great analogy.
Until we can unite under one message and expose the Pubes for what they really are, we will continued to be used and abused.
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Zookeeper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 02:01 PM
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15. Personally, I don't feel like a victim....
because I'm a brawler by nature, and don't have a huge interest in appeasing anyone. However, I do agree with the author. It's insane to try to compromise with the Talibornigans and Rethugs. They have absolutely no interest in compromise! They'll be more than happy to snatch any concession we might make, then start pushing for more.

Perhaps I'm not really a good liberal, because the during the last serious discussion I had with a right-winger I was very much on the offensive and when he tried to "get" me with snide little insults and stereotypes, I got personal (but logical) back at him.

Do you believe the right-wing and Talibornigans are wrong? Then tell them! Enough of indulging these bullies!
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Political_Junkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 02:13 PM
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16. perfect!
thanks for this.
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